Black Relationships : Pro-black & Interracial relationship... do they mix?

SOULDEEP3

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weinfeld....to be BLUNT with you, I AM NOT FEELING INTERRACIAL MARRIAGES,MEANING BLACK & WHITE...nevertheless,I RESPECT ALL WHO RESPECT ME,because at the end of the day,people are people,& everybody has to{or SHOULD} live their own lives based on their own decisions. As for your question,about your being "suspect" because you married a daughter of our GLOBAL oppressor , ask YOURSELF that same question. What I don't overstand about IRs{Black & White} is this--- what do the two stand to gain from each other by marriage? Even if her FAMILY LOVES THE GROUND YOU WALK ON, the SYSTEM of WHITE SUPREMACY IS STILL ALIVE & UP TO MAINTAINING IT'S STATUS QUO: Giving whites heaven & giving Blacks hell. MY SOUL WOULD NEVER ALLOW IT{marrying a Caucasian};where I'm from SPIRITUALLY,it's against NATURAL LAW.


& as we go on,can somebody PLEASE tell me what the hell is IMHO & IMO?
 

SayWord

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You fall in love with who you fall in love with. Race really shouldn't be a factor when it comes down to who you want to marry. For all you know, you're giving up on a potential soul mate based on the color of their skin. Maybe that isn't the popular thing to say, but rejecting someone because of their skin color is wrong. Everyone should get a fair shake.
 

happy69

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Black Americans come at the idea of interracial relationships with differing shades on... we have a history of neglect by others and ourselves... You should try to be with the person you love.
But, I do think that some people look for love from Whites (and I am not just talking Blacks here) because they think that it is better--not for love...you can call those kinds of people whatever you want--they live in a bubble, and don't deserve respect.
No, if you are black and love someone of another race or ethnicity, esp. White, if you are secure in who you are; know where you came from; and give love to your community it should not have any kind of undue effects on your psyche... and on the other hand, I ask you, seriously, What kind of a Black person would marry, date, or sleep with a White person who hates Black people, i.e., you?
I think too, our feeling about this type of relationship too, bothers many Black Americans because sometimes the offspring of these kinds of bonds are so messed up and are racist against Black people too--hell they have a whole racist grouping of them on the internet--and cannot phatom why racism is an Looksism thing--they blame Black people because they are not seen as white; they hate the skin that they live in...so what can you say? You tell them then call yourself white! But, then they try and Whites think they are crazy and Blacks too--so it is the fault of Blacks???
I personally don't care, and am an advocate of them not being put into our catagory--they are a disease...we are trying to heal ourselves from all the hate that has been used to get us down for centuries... THAT IS SOME OF THEM, I AM NOT TALKING ALL...
THEY ARE AN INFESTATION THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE WHITE COMMUNITY.
My father and mother both have other parts.... we so mixed, we are mixed up--but proud Black people.
 

A007

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Well....That is a good question. Everyone is different. We get into problems when we try to catorgorize people based on a few superficial observations. Having been there, done that and wrestled with it, I know how confusing it can be. But...for the record....the confusion comes from what OTHERS think/say about you rather than a conflict within onesself. My girlfriend was white and I was still pro-black and she was right on board with me....but...OTHER PEOPLE SAW IT AS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. So...we had problems. I knew who I was ...was/am more educated and wise about racial matters than most (especially in college when i dated her). Yet, the fact that I dated a white women lost me respect of black people right from the jump. My messages from within were muted by the outward appearances. This has to do with our own racism/prejudices not theirs. So...it appears that unless you have gained some measure of respect from other reasons (sports/entertainment etc.) like Harry Belafonte, that what you have to say about the plight of black people in america will be judged first... on who you are with ...not what you are doing or have to say. So..to answer the question: Yes! one can be married to a white person and be pro black..BUT society (mostly black people) won't let them be! So...like me... many of us deny relationships with whites (even though my soul mate is black) because our cause means more to us...and it is sad that we have to make a choice, but this is where we are as a people. We still have a lot of growing to do!
 

SOULDEEP3

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THANK U DEEPA. SAYWORD, A SOULMATE FROM THE CAUCASIAN PERSUASION...FOR ME? NEGATIVE. I REFUSE TO MARRY ONE WHO KNOWS NOT MY STRUGGLE....& KEEP IN MIND,TO KNOW MY STRUGGLE IS TO LIVE MY STRUGGLE 24/7 365....I DON'T CARE HOW SYMPATHETIC WHITES ARE TO BLACK STRUGGLE,NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY MARCH WITH US,PROTEST WITH US,GIVE US 6 FIGURE SALARY JOBS,ETC.,THEY KNOW NOT MY STRUGGLE; THEY KNOW NOT MY PAIN, AS DO MY NUBIAN FAMILY WHO LIVES IT & FEELS IT EVERYDAY OF LIFE.AS FOR MY MARRYING A BLACK,BROWN,RED, OR YELLOW WOMAN,THE POSSIBILITIES REMAIN AS TALL AS THE HEAVENS ARE HIGH...BUT ME,MARRYING A WHITE WOMAN? NEVER THAT,BLACK!!!
 

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So Souldeep,

Since you will not marry someone that knows not your struggle does this also include those sheltered upper-middle/upper class black females whom have never felt the sting of oppression/racism because of their sheltered existance?..just wondering...not really a big deal.
 

A007

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Jacuma--

No....i know it is very possible for the upper middle class and higher to feel the sting of racism and oppression ....but....the fact is that MANY (not all) of them do not? So therefore their knowledge of the struggle is limited at best and completely absent at worst.
 

Sun Ship

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White lover + pro-Blackness = (?)

Quote: cocobutterskyn,

“Is it possible to be involved in an interracial relationship and be pro-black... or do they contradict?”

Though I know what you’re getting at, this question almost sounds like an oxymoron. But even so, to try to figure out how “pro-black” a person is, by whom they are involved with can be difficult, without having a personal conversation with that individual. I can be very reactionary in my initial thoughts, when I see an interracial couple, especially concerning the question of, so-called, pro-blackness, but I understand that, reactionary thinking is useless and non-progressive. I believe it’s a waste of time prejudging people or constantly speculating on their pro-blackness, in any situation. I just hate this idea that some people think, they’re getting the solution to their problems, in interracial dating (a better deal) or they are in pursuit of a “jungle fever” experience (an exotic tryst); then turning their choice into some kind of New World philosophy, that can save the failed and dismal relationships of Black people.

It would be idiotic for me to discount a person who is working in the community, a good neighbor or friend and at least, respect Black people and their culture, just because they have made the choice to fall in love with somebody of another race. But sometimes I find it sort of disingenuous when I see black person, in a interracial relationship, constantly trying to overcompensate their “blackness”, in order to let you know “their still with the tribe”. You know, there’s sort of new thing now of wearing dreadlocks, African garb, cowry shells and a white man.

But, at the end of the day, people are going to do what suits them. And I am not and definitely refuse to be the ideological grim reaper of someone else’s pursuit of happiness.
Enough said.

Ashe,

Sun Ship

P.S. – over the years, I have seen this phenomenon of whites, very doggedly pursuing, romantically and sexually, Black men and women who were very conscious and talented or culturally aware and pro-black (especially white women pursuing black men). These advances temporarily persuaded some Black people; some stayed in these relationships and many got out. I guess in the end, the great black scholar, J. A. Rodgers was right. Sometimes, if left to nature alone, “nature knows no color-line”.
 

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