Discussion in 'Black Education / Schools' started by KWABENA, Sep 27, 2009.
Do you support this move?
Brother KWABENA ... thanks for sharing.
On the surface I think it's a good idea. I really can't see a whole bunch of real negatives surrounding such a move.
We'll see though, if the President is able to convince the folk that need convincing, remember they don't even want him talking to the school children.
Perhaps if he promises never to visit during the extended hours, they'll let him have this.
I support it
5000%. SOME kids are not getting a durn thing sitting at home and he is right when he says MOST of our kids are behind. Go pull up some stats about education in this country from anywhere. In fact, you can do a sample in your own community and see what a sorry state we are in.
Longer School years would be OK
I really think Twelve years in school any more is too much.
Repetitive subject matter ( how much U.S. History can one swallow..), schools used as babysitting locations, and kids want to earn money instead of all the other
problems like petty crime and gang joining for income... stuff like that can be addressed.
Kids may get more away from drugs. Loitering
Kids aren't naturally bad.
Because all they want to do is be productive and have a chance to make some money to buy a few things at the malls.
If the President shortens the summer to one month.
Then the time to complete grade school and high school should be
10 and a half years or so.
6 years @ 2 months of lost summer time = ( 12 months ) = 1 year
4 years @ 2 months of lost summer time = 8 months
This would put most kids at graduation at the age of sixteen.
They can work, or attend college.
Since everything to be learned is learned by the age of 13.
Why punish the kids to 18 any longer.
Most want a job by 16 anyway.
No laws changed and it is a fair balance to adulthood.
Give up two months a year for summer, gain positive opportunitys in the long run.
One other thing
The teachers have to stop having so many meetings on school time that should be for the kids.
Have a evening meeting, or something
They waste and have so many teachers meetings and nothing productive have ever come from them in the 12 years I have tracked ... anyway nothing to enhance the quality of that education children received.
The teachers can do weekends to be briefed, and bring back the papers and test stuff.
OK - I see where you yall are going, and it makes great sense. However, think about this...
Longer school years means longer hours for teachers. Already we are witnessing hundreds and thousands of teachers being laid off. Many states are having to render what are called 'furloughs' to their faculty members, which means they would have to take days off from work and not get paid for it. Then of course let alone the fact that school budgets come from taxes.
My thing to you is this - with this being such a great move and with the economy being where it is at, and with the number of students currently enrolled in school, and with the current educational outlook in the nation, is this really at the end of the day going to be effective?
Great questions and reply to our reads.
First a cut in pay, is not a cut of pay!
Now is dedication time.
If you had a job, and didn't think you were not being compensated enough.
Does one character say.
I am not going to exert extra effort above and beyond
because I don't get paid as much as Joe Smoe.
If this be the case.. it wasn't about all claimed.
Teaches don't have any more. And for a long time many don't have the dedication and love for teaching like there should be.
Teaching has to be in the heart. Not in th wallet or proffession.
Like artist, there will never be just compensation for the skill it takes and is exerted to teach anything.
It is a job, that gives them long summers breaks, a chance to get a union job and where they can be lax if they please, can't get fired easily. They push the blame on children's lack of interest.
The interest come down, not up hill.
I payed for eight years of private school. I worked there apart time two years to suppliment the cost.
I became very close to the parents, teachers, administration and especially the children.
I was traffic patrol in the early morn, playground and child care worker after that.
Morning and evening with children from kindergarden to sixth grade.
What I learned is the books are better chosen, but the cost of those books
are no more than the ones chosen by public schools.
I have some of those books.
I kept some, and paid the twenty five dollars for them.
America's public schools, with the teachers being quiet
and accepting the crowded classes, only complaining in the teachers lounge if they did complain
and many cases not complaining at all.
For they had tenure. Have dumbed down the material, and allowed what we have today.
These books by McGraw are interesting, A math book with excellent examples
and break downs of approach.
Full of color illustrations and examples that cultivate learning.
History books that are interesting just because they are chocked with help in recall and understanding.
Science books.. that made me smile...everytime my children had an assignment.
I like science anyway..this was a bonus. So I kept all of these books. For me.
I studied every day with my kids and said out loud to them how much
I enjoyed doing home work every night to help them.
I am saying.. these books are hard to put down once you read a chapter or two.
Then the subject matter is summarized so clearly.
I would have been a Com Laudy student with a 4.0 average with these books.
You are correct in all this.
But over the lean years the ( money / taxes ) waste was allowed.
Teachers having unions is OK, but hiding behind a union is not.
Demanding more money.. and more money was given.. their teachers breaks were more important than the students.
I am having trouble garnering sympathy for government workers from DMV, to State Capitols.
Common folks like me have been cut in pay, furloughed and
I have worked many hours without pay.
Based solely on dedication and my love for my profession.
The teachers should strike and make the union take a furlogh as well.
If one looses they all ( the union as well ) should loose.
Folks like you and I, and our children thru school, us thru city services and stuff
have never in my life time gotten our tax dollars worth from any one.
Now this is what America sowed.
So now not only teachers but we all for the next two years will reap.
What a depression feel like.
Water, food, jobs, everything will suffer.
A gigantic mis_managed system of checks and balances.
Only Bernie Madoff was jailed.. the many before him who took us for decades are still sitting Richy Rich on the piles.
I competely understand. And as the future parent that is not an educator, I appreciate the reasoning behind such a decision. Why not go all the way and make the day last until 5 or 6? Make the children work like adults so when they are older, they don't have culture shock. But I'm thinking you're gonna have some salty critters at home. But children don't pay taxes so what do we care about them?
No, I don't support this move. When are we going to allow our children to be children? We complain about the educational system not being adequate to teach the afrikan child but want to have them in these failing institutions longer??? We already spend more time at work or at school than we do at home with our own families. If it is an african centered school with african men and women teaching our children, then maybe - but if it's just more of the same old curriculum that doesn't work for us - then a longer school day won't help too much. Just my two cents...
Very good points, and Welcome!
Thanks for joining us and sharing!
The sad thing is that the institutional racism of the real estate tax bracket of a schools location, being the determining factor in regards to how much money a school recieves, must be abolished so that there is at least some real equalty in the education of the nations children.
Until that has been remedied,
elementary, junior high and high schools in the,
innercity Black neighborhoods will always be intentionaly and designatedly left behind!
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