Black People : Pork Unclean?

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  1. MsInterpret

    MsInterpret Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I know some religions do not eat pork, because they believe to be unclean.

    But doesn't it say in Act 11:9 "The voice spoke from heaven a second time, 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.'?

     
  2. Bootzey

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    Where did it say that God made it clean? And is the Bible you only reference of the uncleanliness of swine?
     
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    Pigs/Hogs/Boars are natural omnivores. That means there is nothing they won’t eat. Some animals eat only plants. Other animals eat only meat. But animals that eat both are generally not considered for human consumption. Pigs will scavenge and have been known to eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, tree bark, rotting carcasses, garbage, and even other pigs. Occasionally while in captivity, pigs may eat their own young if they become severely stressed. If these animals eat this kind of filth then this is what the animal is made of. Remember, you are what you eat. Then you are indirectly eating on some nastiness by eating this animal. Would you eat a buzzard, vulcher or a rat? What separates a pig from vermin? They have the same diet as a pig. Please do not use the argument of domesticated animals in this argument. Being domesticated they eat what they are given. The 1st part of The Quaran 5:4 says… “Forbidden to you is the flesh of an animal which dies of itself, and blood and the flesh of swine; and that on which is invoked the name of one other than Allah; and that which has been strangled; and that beaten to death; and that killed by a fall; and that which has been gored to death; and that of which a wild animal has eaten, except that which you have properly slaughtered; and that which has been slaughtered at an altar.”

    Pigs harbor a range of parasites and diseases that can be transmitted to humans. This is not surprising because of how they are fed or feed themselves. These include trichinosis, Taenia solium, cysticercosis, and brucellosis. Pigs are also known to host large concentrations of parasitic ascarid worms in their digestive tract. The presence of these diseases and parasites is one of the reasons why pork meat should always be well cooked or cured before eating. Some religious groups that consider pork unclean refer to these issues as support for their viewsSwine is a known carrier of trichinosis. A worm that enters your body bores to a chosen location and never leaves. Whenever it becomes active it will wreak havoc on the body and folks with the infection aren’t infected with just one worm but several. Yes, this can be cured, but people carry this parasite for a long time without even knowing it and the damage often cannot be reversed. My question is this… for all y’all pork advocates. If this meat is newly safe… why do people still come down with this condition? And why do folks double clean, bleach and double cook this meat?


    Domestic pigs that have escaped from farms or were allowed to forage in the wild, and in some cases wild boars which were introduced as prey for hunting, have given rise to large populations of feral pigs in North and South America, Australia, New Zealand, Hawaii, and other areas where pigs are not native. Accidental or deliberate releases of pigs into countries or environments where they are an alien species have caused extensive environmental change. Their omnivorous diet, aggressive behavior, and their feeding method of rooting in the ground all combine to severely alter ecosystems unused to pigs. Pigs will even eat small animals and destroy nests of ground nesting birds. The Invasive Species Specialist Group lists feral pigs on the list of the world's 100 worst invasive species and says:
    "Feral pigs like other introduced mammals are major drivers of extinction and ecosystem change. They have been introduced into many parts of the world, and will damage crops and home gardens as well as potentially spreading disease. They uproot large areas of land, eliminating native vegetation and spreading weeds. This results in habitat alteration, a change in plant succession and composition and a decrease in native fauna dependent on the original habitat. Does that sound like people that we know?"

    From the Christian standpoint (and I used to be one), I have always viewed the consumption of swine as a hallmark of the fall from grace. At the time of their origin, when humans were pure, before they started all the debauchery that got them tossed from the garden and prior to the flood they were as close to perfect in structure as they could be. After the flood, humankind was a disgraced group of individuals so they were no longer worthy and didn’t need to maintain the high level of purity that was required of them previously. Also, when I was a Christian, I really didn’t (still don’t) put a huge amount of credence to Paul’s words. Paul never met Jesus. Therefore how could he teach Christianity when there was living disciples who walked and built with Jesus? Peter, Jesus A-alike, never strayed from the kosher laws (Acts 10). The scripture reads….
    ”13Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
    14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
    15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
    16This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.” Y’all know Peter was hard headed. He like most men needed to be told something more than once.
    If you keep reading, it never said that Peter ate any of this so-called redeemed food. Why? He knew better. And why did Jesus send demons into swine? Because of their uncleanliness they were the perfect receptacle.

    I don’t just refrain from eating pork. I eat NO meat whatsoever. I am descended from the creators rather than the created. I don’t sully my body with unclean foolishness. But pork is specifically nasty. And the way Original people love it so. It does nothing to add on to a positive healthiness of our people. There ain’t nothing sexy about a 24 hour cooked plate of chitterlings or hog head cheese or a pig ear sandwich that I find appealing or necessary.


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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+10&version=NIV
    http://www.abcog.org/food.htm
    http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showVerse.php?vn=4&ch=5&tPN=235
     
  4. Precise Allah

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    Peace,

    That's a real interesting way to draw up that particular scripture. Do you think this means it's o.k. to eat stonefish, or dart frogs just because "God" made them? Common sense allows us to make rational decisions based on experience and observing empirical data.

    I have to second the request of the Earth....... where did "God" say swine was fit for consumption by people?

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  5. MsInterpret

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    I haven't eaten pork and gotten sick or died from it. Most food now of days people get sick from.

    Do people not get sick from eating eggs? Beef? And other products?

    Now of days the air is just as "unclean"

    **sorry I would say more but I'm at work**

     
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    I know both you (Precise Allah) and Bootzey are both Muslims and I respect your argument and greatly appreciate your views.

    Anyways, I'm just going to say this real quick and get back to work...

    Mark 7:14-17
    Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean'."
    After he head left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters from the outside can make you 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this Jesus declared all foods "clean")

     
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    Sister MsInterpret ... how do you know that?

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  8. Bootzey

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    I will give a little something Something...
    Leviticus 11:7-8
    "And the swine, though he divided the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
    "Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you."

    Deuteronomy 14:8
    "And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass

    Matthew 5:17-19
    "Think not that I (Jesus) am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, But to fulfill.
    "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law , till all is fulfilled.
    "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

    Isaiah 65:2-4
    I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
    A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon alters of brick;
    Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, eating swine's flesh, and the broth of abominable things is in their vessels."

    Holy Qur-an 2:173
    "He has thus forbidden you only what dies of itself, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that over which any other (name) than (that of) Allah has been invoked..."

    Holy Qur-an 16:115
    "He has forbidden you only what dies of itself and blood and the flesh of swine and that over which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked;..."


    Now it never says don't eat it. It says it is unclean. If you are comfortable eating filth foods then have at it.


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    Sister Destee I suppose I assumed since they were quoting scriptures from the Qur-an

     
  10. Precise Allah

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    Peace,

    Even though what you say is true does that mean you go sucking air from the exhaust of your car because the air is already "unclean?" Does this mean you don't brush your teeth because you didn't get a cavity the first night you forgot to? It's ok to smoke cigarettes because people do and don't develop lung cancer the first time? The effects of these things are accumulative. This in no way makes them any less deadly. Are you feeling me yet?

    Peace
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