Science and Technology : Physics & Richard Gage Email

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I have not tried contacting Richard Gage in years. It always went to his organization. He has apparently changed his policy. So I sent:

Greetings Mr. Gage,

We met in May of 2008 when you gave your talk at the University of Illinois Circle Campus in Chicago. I got in line after your show to ask a question. I asked you about accurate data on the distributions of steel and concrete down the towers. I have since told people that you looked at me like "I had grown a 2nd head" and you said that the "NIST was not giving out accurate blueprints."

Now here we are 14 years later and no one has built a good physical model of the collapse or created an equivalent virtual model. This is somewhat amusing since it only took 4 months to build a physical model of the Tacoma Narrows bridge in a wind tunnel to study the oscillations in 1940. They did not have electronic computers. Consider how much more powerful and cheaper computers have gotten since 9/11 but still no collapse simulation.

I have searched for data on steel distribution in other skyscrapers but no luck. Odd since they must all cope with the same gravity no matter where they are on the planet. With so many skyscrapers the necessary knowledge should not be that scarce.

This Twin Towers Affair is out of control. How can any engineering schools discuss it objectively without pointing out that they should have brought up reliable data within a couple of years of 9/11? Where was the center of gravity of the tilted top of the South Tower? Why didn't it fall down the side? The NIST admits that it tilted 20 to 25 degrees. But they cannot specify the total amount of concrete in the towers with a $20 million report at $2000 per page while sources before 9/11 said it was 425,000 cubic yards.

I built my own model:



It is a physics demonstration model not attempting to mimic the design of the towers. The paper loops are intended to be as weak as possible relative to the static load. But for the entire structure to collapse the stationary masses must be accelerated and their supports disabled. That requires energy. Since the only source is the falling mass at the top it must slow down.

It stops short of complete collapse.

Of course the problem with any small model is the Square-Cube Law. The smaller it is the more difficult it will be to collapse under its own weight because the weight decreases faster than the strength for the same material. Hence the paper, what could be weaker than paper? A really decent model should be at least 13.6 feet and 800 pounds. Expensive and potentially dangerous.

So what is your solution to this endless but simple physics problem? The 10,000 tons of wrought iron in the Eiffel Tower probably exposes how the 100,000 tons of steel in the North Tower had to be distributed. What has AE911Truth said about steel and concrete distributions in approaching TWENTY ONE YEARS?


Karl Smithe
 

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Gage's response:

Fwd: New submission from Contact Me: Karl Smithe
June 21, 2022 02:34

Richard Gage to 3 recipients

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Fascinating topic Karl!

I am copying physics teacher David Chandler and master experimenter and civil engineer Jon Cole because I think that they will be fascinated by the model that you made to try to understand better how the twin towers might’ve collapsed, or not. John Cole’s physical models are quite impressive also and I think you will appreciate and learn much:


As for me, I am much more impressed with the physical evidence of explosives in the world trade center and the eyewitness testimony also. I think that there is so much room for argument in the model making, as you yourself point out With regard to scaling, etc., that a jury would be quite confused by expert testimony from each side. However they would be quite convinced looking at the massive series of explosions in the towers themselves:



Hope this helps!

Richard


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From: Richard Gage, AIA, Architect <RichardGage911@gmail.com>

Sounds like a politician, at least it was quick.

I wonder what Chandler and Cole will say. Cole made an experiment similar to mine 3 years later than mine.

Funny how he made no comment about the 2008 meeting. Probably would not remember it.
 
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Further, if you want to re-litigate the Twin Towers go to the white bread forums where that conspiracy theory was conceived.
The Official Conspiracy Theory is definitely white bread conceived. A mere detail in that theory is that an airliner with a maximum takeoff weight of 200 tons containing 10,000 gallons of jet fuel (kerosene) can cause a 500,000 ton, 1360 ft skyscraper to collapse straight down in less than 30 seconds less than two hours after the aircraft impact.

The OCT is for morons who cannot comprehend simple physics. I don't care who did what, I follow the physics. The physics cannot be analyzed without accurate data on the Towers.

That is where things get strange.

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The Eiffel Tower makes it obvious how the structural mass must be distributed in a tall vertical structure to fend off gravity. The 10,000 tons of wrought iron in the ET only has to support itself not more than double its own weight in concrete. Try finding an instance of structural engineers discussing or demanding accurate data on the distributions of steel and concrete down the Twin Towers. Each tower had 100,000 tons of steel instead of iron for 37% more height.

Maybe Muslim engineers should figure out that data and shove it into the face of the nation that put men on the Moon. The Towers were designed and built during the race to the Moon. It is really curious that in 1940 the University of Washington took only 4 months to build a physical model of the Tacoma Narrows bridge in a wind tunnel to study the oscillations that eventually caused the bridge to fail. But in 20 years we do not have physical or virtual models of the North Tower collapse. Maybe all of these computers are confusing modern engineers who are less competent than their 1940s counterparts.

Now if you want to believe that I got some conspiracy drivel from the white morons be my guest. What actually happened is I was not working the week of 9/11 and a friend called me that Tuesday morning and told me to turn on the television. I woke up Wednesday morning thinking the collapses I watched multiple times made no physical sense before I even got out of bed. I just lay there wondering why I was so sure. I spent the next two weeks trying to figure out why.

Of course eventually I had to build a physical model demonstrating the fundamental physics. But I just had to start the video with some white bread moron supposedly debunking conspiracies. I presume that you prefer his version.

Modeling & Testing

Physics, Psychology & the 9/11 Decade https://psikeyhackr.livejournal.com/1276.html

PS: The Laws of Physics do not get litigated. They cannot be broken.
 
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Engineers' Stories: Since 9/11


The "engineer" in this video says nothing about the distribution of steel down the Twin Towers. In fact he really does not discuss the progressive collapse. It is just presumed that once it started the whole building would go.

One thing about the towers I have not seen anyone mention but me is the length of horizontal steel in the core versus vertical steel. There were 47 columns in the core and most of the levels were 12 feet tall. That is 564 feet of steel. The core was 85 feet by 135 feet and the columns were connected by horizontal beams at every level to keep the columns from buckling. So that should be about 6 times 135 plus 8 times 85 for a total of 1490 feet of steel. 900 more feet of horizontal steel than vertical. FOR EVERY LEVEL!

But how much did it weigh? How much did the thickness of the horizontal beams in the core vary from the top of the towers to the bottom?

Even if airliner impacts and fires could cause the collapses the analyses are scientific farces.
 

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