Black Christians : Personal Responsibility as Christians

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  1. NyneElementz

    NyneElementz Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    To be clear, I want to discuss whether or not we believe that our cisrumstances, friendships, relationships, etc., are a result of things beyond our control or things that we have the authority to control.

    Though not the result of a pleasant conversation in another thread, Enejoh did bring up some words that caused me to think of bringing up this discussion:

    "its never my thoughts that i have no control or power over my resources, white supremacy is never my thoughts or inaction"

    I'm not debating that the idea of white supremacy does not exist, because we all know that the idea exists and so does the reality of facing racism because of it. But do we have to accept those ideas as black Christians. I would argue that we do not.

    My basis for this? Genesis 1:26,28.

    We were given the authority to determine where we want to go, how we want to get there, and to determine what price we are willing to pay to get there in terms of our efforts.

    Control of resources comes as a result of acquisition, and once that is accomplished, you have control over them. That's on an individual level, but as an individual, you can only go so far; not because the white man said so, but because you can only handle so much by yourself. Two events in our history show that if united, we can indeed control resources without the permission of those who hate us: Black Wall Street (OK) and Little Haiti (NC). These events relate directly to financial control and they both were accomplished by black people. Best of all, these events are duplicatable. Little Haiti, specifically relates to us, because it was accomplished by Black Christians. Neither White supremacy or lack of control over resources hindered their accomplishment of creating Little Haiti. But the efforts were not continued once bigots had shown their envy, jealousy, and bitterness over our success. Keep in mind that Black Christians did this, and they did it using financial principles laid out in the Bible.

    Based on these historical facts, I do believe that control over resources is possible, that being prosperous is possible in all life areas - even with bigotry all around us. White Supremacy is simply an idea, like the idea of losing; one that we ourselves do not have to accept as a dominating idea.

    What are your thoughts?
     
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    When we buckle under pressure we cannot achieve. My mother always said to me..Persistence never fails. I believe black folks can allow racism to become a stumbling block but it does not have to be that way. White folks do not have a monopoly on God..noone does. I have seen God work in my life.

    As black people we must have a vision, and set goals. We might not have vast resources...but we do not have to...we can start small and it will grow...There are many blacks who saw racism as a stumbling block in their way BUT they REFUSED to allow it to stop them. What I think is missing in us is DISCIPLINE. We have the ability to get things done but we are too timid. Risk is part of life...as a people we must harness our resources together and make them work. Today we see the bank as another slave owner, credit card debt etc. We must resolve that we will buy what is necessary. The impulse buying must stop. We must be willing to buy from our own what we can see that the quality is good. Our only resource is our people. We have educated people in our midst..we must come together and begin to forge a way forward ourselves.
    Trust is important...we have been conditioned to be distrustful of each other and this must stop. Anything that is worthwhile does not come easy.
     
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    I agree. We do lack discipline. I am guilty of this myself at times. And I agree that we do not have to let racism be our stumbling block. I tend to think that is what self-determination is really about: being willing to admit to ourselves what we want, be willing to learn what it will take to make it happen, being willing to take the risks to make things happen, to be aware of all of our resources, and to put in the effort to accomplish what we want.

    I am learning to set goals, something I was never taught to do, but am learning and applying. And since I started on my personal journey of following the godly vision I have, suddenly few things are out of reach. The distance is simply the discipline required.

    Rewiring ourselves is crucial because until we can trust each other to act with integrity on a larger scale, unity in large numbers will prove difficult. Btw, I'm also learning to start small, something my pastor taught us today. And deciding habits that we will change is key too, I think.

    I know it will not be easy, but I believe that we can get things done as a people.
     
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    I think the main thing we must overcome is the image of ourselves that had been programmed into us since the 4th grade. We were taught that we had no significant contributions - we're just property. We have to get beyond this view of ourselves, because that view is psychologically crippling.

    We know from history and the mere connotation of the word 'property' that property cannot do anything, and that's the outlook a lot of us have. We don't take risks, we have a negative thought filter about every new idea or set of helpful information, and we almost automatically are willing to tear down anyone who does not think like we do.

    I think we have to change our view of ourselves before we can do anything outwardly. Jerimiah 29:11, one of my favorite bible verses says that God has plans to make me prosper, to give me a hope and a future. Considering all the negative input I've gotten from so many, that verse gives me hope. And I look at new ideas and solid plans with that hope. Hope is what drove many of those before us, the hope of something better. We cannot let that hope and positivity die if we are going to make progress, individually and collectively.
     
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    Jerimiah 29:11 This is one of my favourite verses.
     
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    In one of the Bible classes at my church, we had a series on "Strongholds" in a Christian's life and walk. Now, this series was discussing the "spirits" and "forces" of satan which attack Christians to get us back into his fold. ---And, even though these "principalities" do exist and are very active, the minister taught that satan does not have arbitrary control in our lives. --WE have to help/assist satan in some way for him to gain access to our hearts and minds. --- Therefore, there is no Biblical basis for the oft-heard phrase, "The Devil made me do it."

    Now, these same principles are applicable to white supremacy, IMO.

    No matter what they may try to do in sabotaging, hindering or harming us, as Christians, we know that we have a "defender" who will fight our battles as we continue to rebuke and bind, pray, read and study His Word for strength and guidance.

    I often think of the "conquering" of white supremacy with my oldest sibling as an example....She transitioned from "segregation" to "integration" in her formal education. In high school, (after integration), she was subjected to racism which TRIED to hinder her and her Black peers by giving the Black students books with pages and whole chapters torn out of them. Yet, they were still responsible for doing the work assigned to those books.----But, my sister would get together with some of her friends; and, together, they would compile their books for the MISSING pages/chapters the other might have.

    IN SPITE OF this blatant white supremacy, my sister graduated high school with a scholarship for college where she obtained a degree and then went on to work in her chosen field for many years. Today, she has her own business.

    So, as a Christian, I know that white supremacy WILL TRY to hinder me; but I also know that I am "an heir to the Kingdom of God."


    Psalm 37:
    [25] I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.

    Isaiah 54:
    [17] No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

    Prov. 13:
    22] A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children: and the wealth of the sinner is laid up for the just.

    2 Cor. 2:
    [9] But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

    Mal. 3:
    [10] Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

    2 Tim. 1:
    [7] For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

    John 16:
    [33] These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world
     
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    Philippians 4:
    [13] I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.


    Rom. 8:
    [35] Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
    [36] As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
    [37] Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
    [38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
    [39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
     
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    Excellent example! And great scriptural quotes, too.

    We do have a bit of an advantage these days should something like that happen. Today there is half.com, amazon.com, and other sites where we can get the whole book and other books.

    One of the things I did to better my personal stewardship was to buy a stewardship study bible. I find a lot of interesting spiritual, financial, parental, and practical insights from it.

    In terms of white supremacy, I don't think of it as an obstacle anymore; only the desperate and futile attempt of ignorant white to hold me back, only to be defeated as I reach my goals as both a christian and especially as a black man. When I realized that God made today's grounds neutral, I have the chance to create or duplicate and/or improve the successes of those before me. Little Haiti (NC) and Black Wall St comes to mind.
     
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    Psalm 84:

    [11] For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
     
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    This is true; we do indeed have to help or give in to satan's ways for any of what he'll have us do to succeed. Corruption is weak and sin is corruption; it has no power over light and love which is strength the Father gives us. So for it to have any chance, that is, for sin to have in power in our lives, we'd have to let our guard down, our watch slack, or our faith weaken. But to keep strong in faith, to keep watchful, and be on guard for ourselves and, most importantly, each other sin couldn't even be heard of in our midst.:)
     
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