Black Sports : Panafrica I got one for you..Walker Smith Jr. The Pound4Pound greatest ever

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  1. MississippiRed

    MississippiRed Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I won't say another word I'll just put the link ..Holla at ya boy....Oh I'm taking Tito in 7 by KO....these folk just made me some offers I couldn't refuse.

    http://www.cmgww.com/sports/robinson/biography.html

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    panafrica Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I don't even need to read the link...Walker Smith AKA Sugar Ray Robinson...without question the greatest pound4pound! HBO did an outstanding documentary on him about 5 years ago, and it memory serves correctly he was #26 on ESPN's top 50 athletes of the 20th century! I have a couple of his fights (the 6th fight against Jake Lamotta) on tape! The craziest thing about Sugar Ray is that his best reported years were never even film...it is a tragedy we didn't get to see this legend at his greatest.
     
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    I saw clips of sugar Ray Robinson and heard great tales of this fighter
    he was a classic in the days i agree sad we never got to see him work
    the ring the way they say he did ........

    How did he do in that fight Pan with Jake Lamotta i never say that one
     
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    panafrica Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Sugar Ray Robinson and the "Raging Bull" Jake Lamotta fought 6 times. Sugar Ray lost his 1st fight against Lamotta (the only lost of his 1st 130 something fights)! However he won the next 5, the last was considered the best of the series.
     
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    MississippiRed Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Yeah bruh Ray was a bad cat ...he was the prototype for true....could hit hard , was quick, had good footwork was hard to hit and had good handspeed...and on top of all that was a good man.....you're right the majority of the fights we see on tape now are not from his best years think about that...we're watching this man and are (at least in my case) awed by him....but what we're seeing is not his best...that's deep man.....There are many greats but none greater I don't care what anybody says....Oh when Ali says Ray is the best then you can take that to the bank...

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    panafrica Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    When Classius Clay 1st came on the scene many boxing experts called him a "Heavyweight Sugar Ray Robinson". Classius (later Ali) pretty much copied Robinson's style, and made it work for him. Ali also let it be known that Sugar Ray was the greatest "fighter" of all time, while he was the "greatest heavyweight" of all time! If you notice during the pre & post fight interviews for the 1st Classius Clay-Sonny Liston fight, Sugar Ray is standing next to Classius...there was definately mutual respect between the two.

    Unfortunately Ray Robinson suffered from the racism that was rampant in boxing (and society) during those times. It is inexcusable that he was not filmed during his prime. Robinson was always viewed as a special boxer, he was also feared and avoided by most white fighters. As a result he like most great black fighters: From William Richmond, the 1st African American to fight for a boxing title in 1805 (against Britain's Tom Cribb), Tom Molineaux who was cheated in a fight against Cribb, Jack Johnson, Harry Wills (the colored heavyweight champ in 1922), Henry Armstrong (considered the greatest fighter outside of Robinson), Beau Jack, Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, Archie Moore, and too many more to mention. All of these guys were avoided at their best, and were only challenged when white fighters felt that age slowed them down!

    The black fighter has always been feared, so much so that in the 19th century many white fighters adopted fake names to soften the embarrasement of losing to one. John L. Sullivan's (the 1st heavyweight champion of "modern" boxing) proclaimation that he would never fight a Negro was more because of fear than pride. The black fighter will always be the best in the sport, and Sugar Ray Robinson is the best of the bunch.

    P.S. Red, check out "A Hard Road to Glory: The African American Athlete in Boxing" by Arthur Ashe Jr! It contains boxing history dating back to the 1800s that you wouldn't believe!
     
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