In the Spirit of Sankofa and Peace and Love!
excel10k,
Pardon this late response post, but since this exchange was made, we now function under "Higher Standards Required," which preclude getting personal in the discussions.
I happened to be one of the members of the group you all describe as being self-haters. I would think that by dealing directly with a "self-hater" this would be an excellent opportunity to show us "self-haters" the error of our ways.
When attempting to FIX other people of "problems" that don't effect you AND the people you are trying to FIX don't think they are BROKEN, it becomes neccessary to break things down to a personal level. Therefore, if you want solutions, rather than just gripping about people you don't agree with, the discourse must be personal. Not necessarily hostile, but the personal examples become relevant and very necessary for success.
excel10k,
Pardon this late response post, but since this exchange was made, we now function under "Higher Standards Required," which preclude getting personal in the discussions.