Black Spirituality Religion : Orthodox Islam VS NOI

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  1. Akilah

    Akilah Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    What are the fundamental differences between "orthodox" Islam and the practices and beliefs of The Nation of Islam ? Are these differences similiar to the differences between denominations of the Christian faith or does it go deeper ? Who formed / "created" The Nation of Islam and why was there thought to be a need for another version of Islam. Also, are there different denominations of "orthodox" Islam ? I've heard the term Sunni Muslims being discussed on world news reports etc...

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    peace Queen,

    THe NOI was founded by a man named Master Fard Muhammad in 1933. It is said that he came alone traveling from East to West to save that which was lost. He first stopped in "black Bottom" Detroit selling silk. He was a verly light skinned & was claiming to be ALLAH in person. He said his Father was an original Black man and his mother was from the caucus Mountains making him a half-original. He said this is so he could travel to and fro freely. Being that at the time black people still had no rights and would be killed outright if caught teaching anything or reading.

    He started teaching in a few homes at designated meeting times until it got so crowded he asked if the listeners would chip in to buy a bigger meeting place. THey agreed and he continued to teach. One of the regular attendees was named Mrs. Clara Poole who turned out to be the wife of Elijah Poole who eventually would start coming to the meetings and have his name changed to Elijah Muhammad.

    Once Master Fard met Elijah he took a special liking to him and the 2 were together almost night and day for 3 1/2 years. Fard was teaching Elijah and the others that the black man was GOD and the white man was the Devil. HE called the blacks in America the Lost Tribe of Shabazz............Eventually, Fard would tell Elijah that it was time for him to go as Elijah was ready to take his place.

    Fard mysteriously dissappeared and some of his followers hesitated to follow Elijah.

    THe whole purpose of this meeting and teaching that the black man is GOD was to raise the black man up back to his former glory. As it is illuded to in the Bible, Qu'ran and Masonic teachings that their was a master builder who got hit in his head and lost the "secret word" (knowledge) of who he was/is.


    Orthodox Islam - are those Muslims who claim to still be following the Sunnah (teachings) of Prophet muhammad p.b.u.h......- yes there are MANY different sects as the prophet himself said "3 generations after me will no longer bo of me". & this was said over 1600 years ago.

    They do not agree with the teachings of the NOI for the simple reason that most Orthodox muslims are very Light skinned & take offense when they hear a black man calling the white man the devil. As in most countries where orthodox Islam is prominent, White Nations are where they get most of their goods from so they don't want to rock the boat.....NOT EVEN FOR THE TRUTH AS THEY ARE COMFORTABLE..........

    It is all about the black man & woman waking up and returning to their rightful position. Even to this day in Orthodox Islam the blacks are at the bottom of the religion as in the caste system in India where those with a black dot on the forehead are considered the least in the system.

    Orthodox Islam goes soley by the Qu'ran (so they say) or Hadith (which could be compared to the Gospels of Christianity) but as it's been proved over and over that the GOspels contradict themselves therefore, they can not be used as testimony!!

    No one wants to see the black man & woman returen which is why we are shown all over the world shaking our booties and our women be paraded around with no clothes on. SO when they see us calling ourselves GOD & GODDESS they laugh because of the image the media shows them all day long and we play right into it.............

    ALL MUSLIMS no the truth of the black man being the original man because it says it right in the Qu'ran, orthodox or otherwise.......just as ALL leaders of western Christianity know this as well which is why the first thing they did was give us a white picture to bow down to knowing the power of symbols and imagery.......& when most pray today they still see a picture of a white Jesus whether or not they believe in it or not...............

    Just the fact that both Muslims and christians end their prayers with AMEN & AMEEN both names point to the Black GOD of EGYPT (KMT) Kemet AMENHOTEP IV so how could either lie when they BOTH admit it everytime they pray....................

    Peace Queen............(sorry I got a little off of the subject)
     
  3. Akilah

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    Thank you for that very throughall
    explanation Brotha Info-Moetry.
    I truly appreciate it...

    Much Peace God ~
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    Just to add to what Brother Info said the major difference between the NOI and Orthodox Islam is the the NOI would be consider a sect of Islam the religion where as Al Islam is the religion itself. The NOI is a national organization whose soul purpose is to empower and uplift the African ascended people of America. You will not find anyone that is not at least partially ascended from African. This means you will not find white people as members of the NOI. The NOI uses Islam and some of the practices and customs of Islamic countries as a tool to guide the it's member. Islam is a religion that caters to the needs of the oppressed and downtrodden. It was the perfect solution for Blacks during the Jim Crow era or so we thought. Al Islam is world wide. There are Muslim who are Slavic people from eastern Europe to Indian of India. Al Islam is not confined to one race of people though I must say based upon personal experience while in the Middle East it brings great joy to Muslims in the Middle East to see African Americans as brothers in faith. To this day Muhammad Ali is beloved and well received by many Islamic countries especially Saudi Arabia and many African Nations.

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  5. Akilah

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    Brotha Radical Faith,

    Thank you so much for your input !

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    peace Akilah,

    Here is some more of the NOI history from the mouth of Farrakhan connecting Fard's coming with scripture...............


    The Resurrection of the Dead - The Greatness of Master Fard Muhammad
    By the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan


    In The Name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful.

    Those of you who do not know Master Fard Muhammad may think that we are in error for believing in Him as Mahdi. What I want you to do is to give Him a chance to tell you through the Honorable Elijah Muhammad what He reveals, then you go and study it. If He (Fard Muhammad) lied, then we can cast Him aside, but if He told the truth, then you are going to have to reason with this man.

    Master Fard Muhammad came among us and He taught us "Actual Facts." That which is actual, means it exists; it’s fact or real. A fact is that which actually exists; it is reality; it is truth. Why did Master Fard Muhammad give us Actual Facts? It is because you cannot build anything until you know the actual facts.

    The problem with us is that we have believed what others have told us, but the actual facts we may not be acquainted with. How could the enemy rule us if we had the same knowledge that he has?

    Regardless to your degrees, the enemy has never shared with you what he has of knowledge.

    That is why when you come out of college, you go to him and look for a job. It is because you are not prepared to make a job for yourself.

    Master Fard Muhammad was only among us three years and four or five months. He said He came to us from the Holy City of Mecca in Arabia. Master Fard Muhammad came to Detroit to a place called "Black Bottom," where the people lived in the deep ghetto. He started teaching there, going door-to-door, like an ordinary salesman. This is what is meant in the scripture where it says, "He made himself of no reputation and became obedient even unto death."

    The Bible says, "He stood and He measured the Earth." Seventy-one years ago, when Master Fard Muhammad came, He told us that the total area of the land and water of the planet Earth is 196,940,000 square miles. He said the circumference of the planet Earth is 24,896 miles, and all of us had to memorize this. The diameter of the earth is 7,926 miles; the area of land is 57,255,000 square miles; the area of water is 139,685,000 square miles. He said the Pacific Ocean covers 68,634,000 square miles and the Atlantic Ocean covers 41,321,000 square miles. The Indian Ocean, He said, covers 29,430,000 square miles, and the lakes and rivers cover 1,000,000 square miles. The hills and the mountains cover 14,000,000 square miles; the islands are 1,910,000 square miles; and the deserts are 4,861,000 square miles. Mount Everest is 29,141 feet high, and the producing land is 29,000,000 square miles. The earth weighs 6 sextillion tons—a 6 followed by 21 zeros—and is 93,000,000 miles from the sun, traveling at the rate of 1,037-1/3 miles per hour. Light travels at the rate of 186,000 miles per second; and sound travels at the rate of 1,120 feet per second. The diameter of the sun is 853,000 miles.

    We were just students under a Master Teacher who asked us to study. Then, Master Fard Muhammad began to tell us about the distance of the planets and the life that is on the planets. He taught Elijah Muhammad, who was from the cotton fields of Georgia and who only went to the fourth grade of school. If you compare what Master Fard Muhammad said 71 years ago with the dimensions that the scholars have given, every year they have gotten closer and closer, until now their computations are similar with Master Fard Muhammad’s—the man who taught Elijah Muhammad and came to raise us up from a dead level and make us rulers over those who once ruled us, not by guns and sticks, but by giving us a superior knowledge.

    Seventy-one years ago, before you knew anything about Mars, Master Fard Muhammad called Mars an inhabited planet. He said Mars is 141,500,000 miles from the sun, and she travels at the rate of 1,037-1/3 miles per hour. He said her diameter is 4,200 miles. Master Fard Muhammad said Mercury is also an inhabited planet and is 36,000,000 miles from the sun. Her diameter is 3,000 miles and she travels at the rate of 1,037-1/3 miles per hour. Think about that. No matter how close they are to the sun or how far they are from the sun, all of the planets travel at the same rate of speed.

    Master Fard Muhammad said Jupiter is 483,000,000 miles from the sun. She takes eleven years and nine months to make one complete circle around the sun; her diameter is 88,700 miles; Saturn is 886,000,000 miles from the sun; Uranus, 1,782,000,000; Neptune, 2,793,000,000 miles from the sun; and the far planet Platoon, or Pluto, 4,600,000,000 miles from the sun.

    Pluto was first discovered in the year 1930, the same year that Master Fard Muhammad found you and me. How far is Pluto from the sun? Four billion, six hundred million miles. In this figure, you have the numerals four and six.

    The Book of Malachi—meaning,—"My Messenger"—which is the last book of your Bible, tells us who we should be looking for. "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord." I will send you who? Elijah! In what chapter does his name appear? The fourth chapter, from the fourth to the sixth verses. Now, here is the meaning.

    The first four represents 4,000 years from Moses. Why Moses? Because both Bible and Qur’an teach us that the man that Allah (God) would send in the last days would be a man like unto Moses. How could you have a man like Moses unless you have a people like the Children of Israel, and a wicked ruler like Pharaoh and his deceitful magicians? The second four represents our 400 years of bondage, and the six represents the end of the 6,000-year rule of Caucasian people.

    The far planet Platoon, or Pluto, is 4,600,000,000 miles away from the sun, yet the light of the sun reaches her and has her spinning at the same speed of the other planets, 1,037-1/3 miles per hour. What does this mean? It means that when the Light of Allah (God) touches you, you will start turning and you will be going at the same speed of all the people of wisdom on the planet, as long as you stay in the light, acknowledge the light, submit to the light, bow down to the light and the God Who raised you and brought you to the light.

    Master Fard Muhammad came and the authorities arrested Him in Detroit for teaching us the knowledge of ourselves. He submitted. He didn’t have to go to jail. That is why the Book of Habakkuk says, "He had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power." Malachi says, "He became obedient even unto death." Death means the White man. He represents death, and we live in the very shadow of death under his rule.

    The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said that when the White man tricked our fathers out of Africa, the first slaves came to America on a ship named "Jesus." When our fathers got here, they would wander down to the shore looking for that ship, and they would say, you can have all of this world, just give me Jesus, that ship that would return me to my native land and people. That is where our spirituals were born. "Swing low, sweet chariot, coming to carry me home." America isn’t your home. This is a strange land and we are living among a strange people whose ways are alien to Allah (God) and the Prophets of Allah (God).

    The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said, "Little did our fathers know that it would be 400 years before the real ship Jesus came to get us." The real ship Jesus is Allah (God) in Person; The Mahdi coming to raise a Messiah. The Messiah did not live 2,000 years ago. Jesus of 2,000 years ago was a Prophet. The Messiah is more than a Prophet. He is a man in whom is the Indwelling Spirit, Wisdom, Knowledge and Power of Allah (God), Himself. Therefore, He opens the eyes of the blind. He makes the deaf to hear and the dumb to speak. He cleanses the leper and He raises the dead to life, by Allah’s (God’s) permission.

    When Master Fard Muhammad went to jail, He sent for Elijah Muhammad. When Elijah saw Him behind bars, He looked at Elijah and said, "This is the price that you are going to have to pay if you want to free your people." The price is jail. The price is persecution. The price is being evil spoken of, and sometimes the price is death itself. Unless you are willing to pay the price, do not accept the assignment. Then, He said to Elijah, "If you don’t accept the assignment, somebody else will. So why don’t you go ahead and get the big name." The Book says that Elijah said, "Here am I, send me."

    I did not know Master Fard Muhammad; I only saw His picture, but I listened to Elijah Muhammad teach me something about Allah (God), the Original Man, and how the Qur’an and Bible were actually made. I want you to think. Either this is Revelation or it is some made-up madness.

    But tell me how made-up madness could raise a man from the dead? Tell me how made-up madness could take a fool like me and make me honored and respected all over the world? Tell me how could made-up madness make Malcolm X? How could made-up madness make Muhammad Ali?

    Let us reason together.


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    Thank you for your knowledge on this....
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  8. Akilah

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    Wow...

    This is incredible...Thank you so
    much for sharing Minister Farrakhan's
    teachings on Master Fard Muhammad.
    Could you please share anymore info you have
    on Master Muhammad's revelations concerning life
    on the other planets ???

    Many Thanks Brutha Info-Moetry !
     
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    Orthodox Islam = El's Holy Quraan ( Revealed In The Year 6;31 A.D. ) Al Tawbah - The Acceptance Of Repentance , Original Order Chapter 113 , Wrong Order Chapter 9 .
    Verse 97 . Al A'araab '' The Desert Arabs ' ( Red Arabs ) are the most < Ashaddu > ' Forceful ' ( Severe ) , < Kugraan > Concealers Of That Which Is The Facts , And The ( Biggest )
    < Nifaaqaan > Hypocrites , and more without knowledge of the Huduwd '' Limits ' of what was sent down by The Source , Allah upon His ( His Not Our ) < Rasuwl > , One Sent ( Muhaamad ) , and The Source Allah is The < Aliym > Knower , The < Hakiym > Wise . :geek:
     
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    As - Salaamu - Alaykum <Miss Akilah >

    Question If I May ;
    Would You Know Any Of Elder Of The N.O.I. During The Time Of The Honorable Elijah Muhammad ? Or Some One Who Knows An Elder Of The N.O.I,
     
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