Black People : "Organized Chaos/Organized Confusion"

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  1. cherryblossom

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    "Organized Chaos" - a situation or place which appears to be "chaotic" to OTHERS but has an underlying "organization" to the person or persons directly involved.

    For example: A play or some other performance that appears to be utter chaos/confusion in its makings but comes off perfect in the end.

    ....or a room or a kitchen which seems to be utterly disorganized but the owner knows exactly where to find everything.

    Now, Keita uses "organized CONFUSION" in his statement concerning our People's "condition," which, for me, is basically synonymous with the other term. --But, how can we be "CONFUSED" and "ORGANIZED" if our "condition" is so badly off that it's not even working for US??

    However, as for our "organization" and any seeming "chaos or confusion," I think Brother Malcolm addressed it well.>>>>

    "Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods or tactics or strategy..." - Malcolm X

    "The goal has always been the same, with the approaches to it as different as mine and Dr. Martin Luther King's non-violent marching, that dramatizes the brutality and the evil of the white man against defenseless blacks. And in the racial climate of this country today, it is anybody's guess which of the "extremes" in approach to the black man's problems might personally meet a fatal catastrophe first -- "non-violent" Dr. King, or so-called "violent" me." - Malcolm X​



     
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    ....So, TODAY, what are we "CONFUSED" about...the "METHOD" or the "OBJECTIVE?"
     
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    In the Spirit of Sankofa,




    ... Here's my 2 cents:



    Peace In,


     
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    "Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children."

    - May 1965 speech to the Negro American Labor Council. Quoted in Thomas F. Jackson, From Civil Rights to Human Rights: Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Struggle for Economic Justice. (2009) p. 230

    "t is necessary to understand that Black Power is a cry of disappointment. The Black Power slogan did not spring full grown

    from the head of some philosophical Zeus. It was born from the wounds of despair and disappointment. It is a cry of daily hurt and persistent pain."​

    -Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?, 1967.


     
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    We people of African ethnicity in general, Men of African ethnicity in particular [Africa and the Diaspora which includes the USA] are at fault, aren't WE, in that collectively we have consistently failed [especially over the last 500 years] collectively to organize ourselves intelligently to protect our families, communities and countries; including losing control of Africa, the wealthiest continent on Earth?

    Our ongoing failure to organise ourselves intelligently in this blatantly hostile environment is the exact problem the NOI, UHURU movement and other Pan African organisations are attempting to address which is why we're constantly being besieged by a diverse array of TROLLS and TRAITORS , aren't WE?

    NOW can you relate to why the more easily spiritually, factually and intellectually challenged of our women don't respect us; illustrating that they don't respect themselves as we cannot make real progress without being together, in that we are STILL mammals, and don't females ALWAYS look to mate and create their families with the best PROVIDERS?

    However doesn’t the chaos in our Countries in Africa and our communities in the USA, Brazil and the rest of the Diaspora shows that we are still making serious mistakes, the worst of which is not being collectively focused on building up our own socio-economic networks and infrastructure, which is what everyone else does as standard?

    Until we use an updated History curriculum to de-pollute our collective knowledge base aren't we very very likely to remain totally socio-economically dysfunctional from top to bottom; due to our Boulé dominated socio-economic elite [have YOU read Steven Cokely's exposé of these CLOWNS] being even more genuinely CLUELESS than the lower echelons who are usually just AUTOMATONS in any case?

    When WE don't program ANY/ALL of our people to consciously acknowledge our African ethnicity as a blessing as opposed to a curse; aren't we extremely unlikely to even begin to fulfil our main responsibility; to deduce and construct the socio-economic vehicles that will allow us to collectively advance and compete with the rest of Humanity in the 21st century?

    Shouldn't ALL of OUR school's in general, especially the traditionally Black Schools in the USA the rest of the Diaspora and Africa in particular be teaching an updated History Curriculum highlighting our so diverse but efficiently marginalized contributions to Civilization; thus reprogramming the minds of the people of African ethnicity with our TRUE history [as unearthed by our own historians] as a truly superlative therapy for the trauma of the ongoing African HOLOCAUST, for which both an apology and reparations are STILL missing, aren't THEY [their only truly honest act as THEY know the WAR is still on]?

    Aren't WE in the main lost, leaderless and confused, a state the PALEFACE TROLLS this/ALL sites are afflicted with are very very desperately trying to maintain [whereas isn’t anyone of African ethnicity spouting the garbage they so consistently spout disrespecting the ancestors and their tortured, mutilated and murdered siblings, or have to be a brain dead AUTOMATON]?

    Isn't an Afro-centric History Curriculum strategically vital in Africa in general, in the already industrialized South Africa in particular, or won’t their children's knowledge base continue to be as polluted as Ours, could YOU name 10 African monarchs [I still struggle whereas I could name 30 European monarchs easily]?

    Wouldn't you agree that the TRUTH is that we peoples of African ethnicity in the USA , the rest of the Diaspora and Africa are all frontline soldiers in a War that has NEVER EVER been openly declared then or now by THESE despicably cowardly Semetic/White PARASITES, just very very efficiently waged/they JUST DO IT?

    Nubia/Khemet battled and resisted the Semitic hordes for millennia but from the moment Alexander the Macedonian peasant overran Khemet we've been losing this WAR, with the situation becoming a rout when Augustus [Julius Caesar's nephew, heir and history's greatest VANDAL] deliberately destroyed Khemet's most spectacular Pyramid at Abu Rawash, which you've never heard of, have YOU?

    This so deliberate piece of cultural vandalism was done to DELETE DJEDEFRAH from history as this African Pharaoh is now acknowledged as the builder of the Sphinx which honours his father Khufu [who built the Great Pyramid at Giza]; and as exemplified by their so murderous onslught/destruction of Gaddafi controlled Libya and the carnage in Darfur and the Congo TODAY, we're still in BIG trouble/losing this WAR, aren't WE?

    Wishing this WAR away hasn't worked for the African collective in the USA, the rest of the Diaspora and Africa for the last 500 years because Slavery and Colonialism didn't so much end as evolve into the current reality of White/European socio-economic domination in every area of human activity so why are WE expecting the chaos in our communities and countries to improve in the near future?

    Are you denying that the main reason we're still the "VICTIMS" as highlighted by the HOLOCAUST of the last 500 years is the FACT that we have not organized our communities and countries with intelligence and foresight comparable to the other ethnic clans, with most of our so inept leaders not even acknowledging that this WAR is on?

    What chance do we stand when our Boulé dominated socio-economic elite[they're 106 years old this year, have you read Steven Cokely's exposé of these CLOWNS] in the USA are ALMOST completely under the control of our enemies of over 500 years now?

    Wouldn't you concede that in a World dominated by intelligently led collectives any group not organized with comparable intelligence is a "Victim in Waiting" who wont have to wait long; and as highlighted by the GRIEF in Iraq and Afghanistan which will be extended soon to Syria;and then Iran even when you do there is no guarantee you wont be BULLIED [especially if you're in possession of massive mineral wealth]?

    Why haven't the USA and the West punished China 's annexation of Tibet in the 60's like they did Sadamm's of Kuwait ? The answer is simple, they cannot bully an industrialized nuclear armed country with a 3 million man army that could be boosted by conscripts to 10 million with minimal effort?

    Even more bizarre is our acceptance as people of African ethnicity of the current status quo isn't it, or are you ALL truly unaware of the fact that ALL over the World including Africa Europeans still LEGALLY own allegedly; all the land and resources they acquired during the looting, pillaging, RAPE of this planet in general, of OUR continent in particular that Colonialism and Apartheid sanctioned as the norm as opposed to the longest list of unacknowledged unpunished Human Rights violations/CRIMES in human history?
    Isn’t anyone who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
     
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    And you said all this to me to say WHAT? :10500:

    Well, whatever your motivations were, I'll just let one of my poems answer you.>>>>>

    http://destee.com/index.php?threads/arm-chair-revolutionaries.68561/
     
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    Cherryblossom wrote {quote}
    Just pick ONE thing
    That YOU see, OFF-TRACK
    And work on that
    Get off the bench
    And stand at bat
    If you’re REALLY
    So in love with all things
    BLACK! {quote}Which would all seem very impressive, but did YOU actually read/rationally evaluate what I actually said in my post as opposed to not directly addressing a single assertion or question?

    In’ fact shouldn’t YOU and Destee go through my post and highlight just one example of ME using the word BLACK to describe my African ethnicity [how Black is Obama or Tiger], leaving behind all the so sadly lost and confused Coloureds and Blacks who truly don’t KNOW that they are trapped in the NEGRESS zone as opposed to being conscious African sisters like Dr Frances Cress-Welsing and Marimba Ani [whose truly superlative book “Yurugu-An African centred critique of European culture and behaviour” is beyond the spiritual and intellectual agility of my mother [a retired teacher], sisters and ALL of the women of African ethnicity that I know, including YOU [why is that]?

    How are YOU sinless enough to be casting stones in any case in that what skills are YOU offering to the African Renaissance in the 21st century [whereas I taught Maths to 3 classes/8-11, 11-14 & 14-16 year olds at a community Saturday school for 5 years], along with being a Mechanical Design Engineer with a track record of success [including a solo design patent for Xerox on photocopiers] as well as a conscious focus on doing whatever is necessary to stop the ongoing African HOLOCAUST of over 500 years continuing to be WHAT IS?

    Isn’t anyone who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
     
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    RE-DEVELOPMENT

    The past shapes the FUTURE, a fact anyone can easily see;
    AFRICA’S history’s literally jammed with wide Cultural diversity
    Relating to medicine, various sciences, art and religious mythology.
    So elitist/ignorantly violent European Forces, came/hungrily devoured
    The new technology and ideals while consciously HATING the source.
    Religion and Culture are always inextricably welded or linked,
    Problems arise when you don’t exclude RACIALLY, seriously think.
    Tribal/Cultural differences should be restrained/forgotten or stored
    Whenever outside RACES threaten or attempt to engulf your shores;
    Savage short- sighted ignorance are tools of FOREIGN divide and rule.
    Without an integrated defence facility AFRICA literally fell apart miserably,
    To a SADISTICALLY cunning race, selfishly intent en mass on material gain,
    Under the pretext of CIVILISING thus spreading CHRIST’S Earthly domain,
    The widespread resistance was outmanoeuvred, very forcefully destroyed;
    With terrifying BRUTALITY and perverse cruelty, a sick SPIRIT breaking ploy.
    The SOCIO-INDUSTRIAL infrastructure was broken up, to nothing reduced
    Along with widespread SLAVERY/DEBAUCHERY and violent physical abuse;
    Making sure AFRICA would never again be able to INDUSTRIALLY produce.
    “Why should they? We can produce everything they’ll ever NEED TO USE,
    Thus extortionate prices we’ll set will always have to somehow be met”.
    Why can’t they create, innovate, produce and become genuinely free?
    Instead of the constant FIGHTING/KILLING and always failing to agree”.
    The answer is far from simply monetarily advancing, finding/using the key
    To material prosperity in truly spectacular style for all the World to see;
    Thus cleverly winning the money game, earning fame/widespread acclaim.
    FREEDOM is a thing that is far from easy to know, really define
    As it can easily simultaneously be relative to both body and mind.
    One thing AFRICANS must realise, adjust to, focus on and readily face;
    Whites still NEVER EVER mean to totally FREE the AFRICAN RACE,
    Chains were only removed once strong MENTAL ones were in place.

    Nurturing brutally self-hating elitist ideal’s worsening of our state
    MISINFORMATION; a very powerful TOOL, so useful in creating fools.
    Engrossed in the illusion WHITE MIGHT’S all-powerful, totally infinite;
    Forgetting the simple insight, one who’s never ever treated you right
    Is thus extremely unlikely to be the one who’ll ever TEACH you right.
    UNDER-DEVELOPMENT of the most malicious, sick, really vicious kind
    Is normally a direct result of constantly wrong ‘footing’ a man’s mind.
    Totally mis-representing with LIES/ignoring in fact how Caucasians stole
    From the AFRICANS knowledge of African history and relevant artefacts;
    Reinforcing their folklore, “Africans have never ever been CIVILISED before”.
    African re-development in Africa or in anyone’s Country/Domain
    Must begin with a conscious flexible re-programming of our BRAINS.
    Loving ourselves for what we really are, the SOURCE; from which all
    Men developed themselves/their Cultures and technological resources.
    Even in the present day AFRICAN* SCIENTISTS are helping to lead the way.
    Because Monetary slavery is on the attack, only a very concerted
    Carefully thought out policy is the way to hit back. Concentrate on
    Food production, stab the CASH CROPS/MINERALS subtly in the back.
    Self-sufficiency in FOOD ensures our survival/a politically stable mood;
    While predatory Euro centric Economists claim you’re PRIMITIVE/CRUDE.
    You have no money” they’ll slyly crow, deliberately being mocking/cruel,
    “We need no MONEY, AFRICANS grow/equably distribute all of our own food.
    Without the wealth our Foodstuffs/Minerals provide, your whole MONETARY
    SYSTEM will crash; we’ll all see where your GREATNESS/RICHES really resides.
    SURVIVAL won’t be easy gentlemen on only DOLLARS, POUNDS, MARKS and YEN.

    *There are a considerable number of Afro-Americans employed by NASA in the most advanced research and development work currently being conducted on this planet. Dr Lloyd Quarterman was part of the Manhattan Project (the team that developed the first Atomic bomb); when asked if there were other Afro-American scientists on the project he replied, “Yes there were six of us”.

    In the 1970’s he was ready to produce “Chemical Blood”; but despite (or maybe because of) his proven track record of brilliantly innovative success, he was unable to get funding. White supremacist Racists in the status quo literally could not cope with yet another superb success and the magnitude of his genius.
    And you said all this to me to say WHAT? :10500:

    Well, whatever your motivations were, I'll just let one of my poems answer you.>>>>>I await your critique of my poem [above] from my booklet entitled FRUSTRATIONS vented by Hasty Orisons, and I can give you my critique of your somewhat emotive poem [but I truly doubt that you'd enjoy it}.

    Isn’t anyone who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
     
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    lol Brother Orisons ... how'd i get in this ??!!! ... :eeek:

    Both poems are great in my opinion, and Brother Orisons, you did say something that made me want to start a new thread topic on ... but gosh ... i don't see how i got mentioned in this ... uhhhh ... discussion?!

    :heart:

    Destee
     
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    Actually, NO, I did NOT READ all of that. Now, yes, I know that I can post some LONG posts (lol); but, at least my mine are ON TOPIC, thorough, and relevant.

    So, YES, I normally just SCAN and SCROLL on YOUR POSTS because YOUR POSTS are extra LOOOOONG and make NO SENSE TO ME....YOUR POSTS are just looong RANTS, OUTTA LEFT-FIELD somewhere.....YOUR POSTS are just YOUR PLATFORM to SPEW the same-ol' TIRED rhetoric you usually post about....IN almost EVERY THREAD, no matter the TOPIC.

    Moreover, the FONT and light COLOR that you POST IN are not easy on my eyes....So, NO, I hardly ever read ALL of what YOU POST.

    LOL!...What's DESTEE got to do with this? :lol:

    And, (SIGH), here you have another RANT just because I used the word "BLACK" and not "AFRICAN" in MY POEM.

    Now, I do understand that YOU live in the UK; but please bear in mind that I am an AFRICAN-AMERICAN....and as such, MY HISTORY in THIS COUNTRY has labeled/identified my People by different terms over the years....In different ERAS in THIS COUNTRY, WE have been called by and also self-identified as "NEGRO....COLORED....BLACK....AFRO-AMERICANS....and, now, AFRICAN-AMERICANS.

    So, NO, I have no problem nor shame with sometimes using the term "BLACK" for me or my People.....For too long, the WHITE MAN poisoned our minds against the color BLACK....anything BAD/NEGATIVE was something BLACK.----So, in the 60s and 70s, IN THIS COUNTRY, being BLACK was a thing of PRIDE to so-called BLACK PEOPLE.
    I did not "CAST STONES." --- My POEM isn't talking about "SINS."--My POEM is a suggestion to ANYONE who likes to RANT and RAVE about AFRICA-THIS and AFRICA-THAT.----My POEM is saying to ANYONE who FITS THE SHOE to not worry about what SOMEBODY ELSE is DOING or NOT DOING for our People.......only worry about/be concerned about what YOU are doing/not doing.

    However, my professional background is in education. My college degree is in English and history/Secondary Education.

    I have many years of classroom experience teaching English/literature to middle school (6th to 8th grades) and high school (9th to 12th grades); and I have mentored and tutored children of "AFRICAN"-descent. (lol)

    LOL!....Well, perhaps, you can speak on what is "BEYOND THE SPIRITUAL AND INTELLECTUAL AGILITY" of YOUR MOTHER; but you CANNOT SPEAK on what I can or cannot understand.

    Moreover, yes, Sisters Cress-Welsing and Ani are powerful speakers and writers.

    But, you do know that there is" NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN," right??

    So, ANYTHING that Dr. Cress-Welsing or Sister Marimba Ani have said is NOT NEW INFORMATION to People of Color. ---Yes, many of our People have done studies and research about our People, our history, our "African Minds," our social and cultural mores, etc.. and then REPORTED that INFORMATION in BOOKS and/or lectures.

    In some shape/form/fashion, many indigenous AFRICAN writers, AFRICAN AMERICAN writers and other African-descended writers have all RELAYED this INFORMATION in various degrees and levels, within different contexts/outlooks/perspectives but, relatively, the SAME MESSAGE.---So, as for AFRICAN-CENTERED THOUGHT versus EUROPEAN-CENTERED THOUGHT, many books have been written on this through the years by various People of Color.

    HERE ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES:

    "The Mis-Education Of The Negro" by Carter G. Woodson/1933

    "Black Skins, White Masks" by Frantz Fanon/1952

    "Notes of a Native Son" by James Baldwin/1955

    "The Wretched of the Earth" by Frantz Fanon/1961

    "Black Theology and Black Power" by Dr. James H. Cone/1969

    "Afrocentricity: The Theory of Social Change" by Molefi Kete Asante/1980

    "Recapturing the African Mind" by Dr. Bruce Bridges/2006
     
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