Law Forum : Opinion: Repeal the Second Amendment

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    Opinion: Repeal the Second Amendment
    It sounds like political Mission Impossible. But it’s the only meaningful way to stop the killing
    By Bret Stephens

    I have never understood the conservative fetish for the Second Amendment.
    From a law-and-order standpoint, more guns means more murder. “States with higher rates of gun…




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    Hell freezes over as NRA supports a gun control measure

    Tim Chester

    Mashable•October 5, 2017

    ... The move is striking, particularly as the NRA lobbied against similar gun control legislation after the Newtown shooting. But it should come viewed through a prism of caution ...

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/hell-freezes-over-nra-supports-195626105.html

    Hell freezes over as NRA supports a gun control measure

    The NRA has been particularly quiet in the days following the deadly Las Vegas shooting that left 58 people dead and hundreds injured. Its Twitter account hasn't posted anything since Sept. 29 and the organization has refrained from any public...
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    It’s time for companies to boycott gun-lax states
    By Jonathan Alter October 8 at 7:25 PM

    ... Corporations have a moral and fiduciary duty to enhance the safety of their workplaces and other venues they use, when mass shootings were rare, they weren’t as much of a concern. Now that they’re a common occurrence, the calculus for locating businesses, conventions, sporting events and concerts must change; companies cannot fully guarantee the safety of their employees and customers anywhere, but risks are clearly greater in “gun lax” states ...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin..._term=.0afb8a5d1e8d&wpisrc=nl_opinions&wpmm=1

    Opinion | It’s time for companies to boycott gun-lax states

    Businesses fought discrimination in Indiana and North Carolina. Guns should be the next target.
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    NEWTOWN, CT - OCTOBER 04: Dozens of people attend a vigil remembering the 58 people killed in Sunday's shooting in Las Vegas and calling for action against guns on October 4, 2017 in Newtown, Connecticut. The vigil, organized by the Newtown Action Alliance, was held outside the National Shooting Sport Foundation and looked to draw attention to gun violence in America. Twenty school children were killed at the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown on December 14, 2012. (Photo by Spencer Platt/Getty Images) (Spencer Platt/Getty Images)


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    The only two options I see for a practical cost effective life saving solution is to parrot North Korea & East Timor's absolute no civilian gun ownership under any circumstances what so ever law or just allow any and everyone to possess firearms but they must be openly displayed while in public. i know it's not perfect but that's all I know that can be done with some semblance of reasoning considering that what we now have has not benefited anyone but the IRS.
     
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    Sounds good to me, Symbol of America.

    Your second option satisfies the constitutional right to bear arms -
    allow any and everyone to possess firearms but they must be displayed openly while in public - and provides the perfect panacea to this very problematic concern.

    Let's add to that, the outlawing of military style assault weaponry, and we now have good
    common sense gun control ... :five:

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    Glad you brought that hot button item up because that is so complex I believe tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars would be spent on both sides of the legal, corporate and political fence via lobbying, special interest coercion a/k/a donations and blind alley research funded redesigns to meet the new spec's for a viable replacement weapon between the next upper and lower grade of a long barrel rifle weapons. How far would the ban reach? Military only? They're authorized by direct government charter to posses them, law enforcement possession get's dicey because the legislature would have to remap special use by authority: SWAT, etc. Hunters should have never been allowed to use them. The registered sportsman have basically proved their tenuous possession and use by weapons comparison for different big game or other large or fast moving target acquisition and other forms of existing or future use for existing and future weapons upgrades. Collectors should be dropped from possession unless the weapon could be rendered unable to fire but then the weapon has been altered from it's original manufacturing template and would hold no value. The general Class 2 and 3 FFL holder issue would have to be addressed to prevent their future propensity to black market what they have in stock or worst, be approached by anybody from street thugs to international cartels to traffic under their existing FFL. Personally I believe The ATF like it's alphabet agency brothers in arms (No pun intended) from the FBI, DEA, IRS, ICE, CBP, DHS, etc. on down to the 5 officer Village police department in Jerkwater USA want's to keep the status quo because they like the corporate elite and so called "bad boys" are all making money when crime is afoot be it individual, foreign or domestic, especially mass crimes, some exploited and even some by design if one get's my point.
     
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    Correct ... But let's get back to our second option ...

    allow any and everyone to possess firearms but they must be displayed openly while in public

    If we expanded firearms to reflect a ban on assault weaponry, to include detachable high-capacity ammunition magazines and ordinary rifles, the ban would apply to everyone, hunters, the registered sportsman, or any law-abiding gun owner. That said, it would be against the law to display the banned weaponry openly while in the public.

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    You’re wrong about Second Amendment rights
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

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    Oct 8

    ... What discussion there is barely gets beyond the surface, a trivial debate about the term “a well-regulated militia.” Gun control advocates seize upon the phrase to insist that use of guns in a militia context is the core of the right, rather than individual gun ownership. Whether or not that is true is completely irrelevant, when compared to the true purpose of the Second Amendment ...




     
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    We don't need the 2nd Amendment — we need a real debate about guns

    By Timothy William Waters

    ... Sensible people disagree about what the 2nd Amendment means. Perhaps it ensures an individual right, forbidding restrictions on “constitutional carry.” Perhaps it refers only to militias, and therefore authorizes regulation. But everyone agrees that the 2nd Amendment was an amendment — a change to the Constitution ...

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e...-constitution-gun-control-20171013-story.html

    We don't need the 2nd Amendment — we need a real debate about guns

    Our Constitution is getting in the way of our conversation about guns. We can change that.
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    A an array of guns at Markley's Gunrange in Watsonville, Calif. on Feb. 6, 2014. (Los Angeles Times)

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