Black Spirituality Religion : Oops...! Moved to Science/Technology

Discussion in 'Black Spirituality / Religion - General Discussion' started by Fine1952, Jun 10, 2014.

  1. Fine1952

    Fine1952 Happy Winter Solstice MEMBER

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  2. UBNaturally

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    Understanding the continuum and how we look at data, observe the following as well...
    Will add the "South Carolina" DNA finding to the collection for this purpose also.

    The story begins as so:

    When the bones of two early humans were found in 1967 near Kibish, Ethiopia, they were thought to be 130,000 years old.

    The above is actually "erroneous" at best.

    This article suggests that the original dating was calculated to be 1.88 million years old

    Early Man Fossils: KNM-ER 1470

    KNM-ER 1470 (Kenya National Museum - East Rudolf)
    In 1967, at the age of 23, Richard Leakey the son of Louis and Mary Leakey discovered a rich collection of fossils east of Lake Rudolf in northern Kenya. More than 40 Australopithecines and many stone tools were found on that site. Of particular interest was the skull KNM-ER 1470 found in 1972.

    It has a very modern appearance and a brain capacity of 800 cc, within the human range. The skull was reconstructed from hundreds of pieces, and had a Australopithecine slant to the face. This reconstruction has been questioned by those in the field. As it turns out, there is no reason for the skull to not be classified as Homo sapiens (true humans) based on morphology (Lubenow 1992, 165).

    What makes this find interesting is that it was found under a three foot layer of volcanic ash, the KBS (Kay Behrensmeyer Site) Tuff. Since the ash lends itself to the potassium-argon method of radiometric dating, it is assumed that the stone tools found in that location and the Australopithecine fossils found above and below the Tuff can be dated.

    In 1969 the first attempt at dating placed the age of the Tuff at 212 to 230 mya (Millions of years ago) - early dinosaur times. Since this did not square up with evolutionary theory (i.e. fossils are the final authority) it was assumed that this was an erroneous date. Researchers than concluded that whole-rock samples from these sedimentary rocks that showed signs of weathering or alteration should be removed from the samples to get an accurate date. More samples of "fresher" pumice lumps and feldspar crystals were supplied by Leakey and an age of 2.61 +- .26 mya was established (Lubenow 1992, 250).

    Before the skull was found the Tuff was dated at 2.6 mya, but because of the modern appearance of the skull, Richard Leakey commented, "Either we toss out this skull or we toss out our theories of early man. It simply fits no models of human beginnings" (Lubenow 1992, 162, 249). What followed next is decades of wrangling over the date and interpretation of the find. Several radiometric studies have been performed with the final pronouncement being 1.88 mya, largely calibrated by a fossilized pig sequence from Southern Ethiopia. In the final analysis, it is not radiometric dating, but the fossils in an evolutionary framework that wins out.
    Source: http://www.bestbiblescience.org/em14.htm

    Eventually, they meet a consensus of 130,000 years old

    Articles suggests erroneous dating of prior discovery
    (Human fossils found 38 years ago in Africa are 65,000 years older than previously thought, a new study says—pushing the dawn of "modern" humans back 35,000 years. )

    http://www.terradaily.com/news/human-05d.html
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/02/0216_050216_omo.html


    • Moved to 200,000 years old

    200,000 year old DNA found in Africa
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v325/n6099/abs/325031a0.html


    • Enter "Spain"

    400,000 year old DNA found in Spain
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/12/131204-human-fossil-dna-spain-denisovan-cave/


    • Enter "Jerusalem"

    400,000 year old teeth found in "Israeli" cave
    http://io9.com/5719894/400000-year-old-teeth-could-rewrite-the-evolutionary-history-of-our-species


    This article actually attempts to use the "Adam" creation story in conjunction with "Lucy" in Hadar Ethiopia in 1974 to suggest how easy it is to make claim to "original man"

    http://www.newscientist.com/article...all-men-is-340000-years-old.html#.U1UXA4XHjGU

    Here is a snippet of the article above

    Albert Perry carried a secret in his DNA: a Y chromosome so distinctive that it reveals new information about the origin of our species. It shows that the last common male ancestor down the paternal line of our species is over twice as old as we thought.

    http://jonathanturley.org/2013/03/0...ans-dna-shows-male-ancestor-338000-years-ago/

    Source article that has been used for others:
    http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297(13)00073-6

    Basically, after reading the articles about "Albert Perry" and how his "family" wanted to test his DNA to trace it for a family tree or something, discovered that his DNA didn't link to the ones supposedly discovered in "Ethiopia" in 1967 and 1974.

    But again, the initial research and data mining with the remains found in 1967 near Kibish, Ethiopia was claimed to have been 1.88 million years old.

    The "twice as old as we thought" line is not going to fly with a conscious minded individual, as "we" doesn't include all, but those that seek to control the data and information.

    This merely suggests three things:

    1. The original dating of the "Ethiopia" findings were probably more accurate
    2. The current dating of the "Ethiopia" findings are accurate, and they have yet to discover the "oldest" remnant that will resolve their conflict of confusion due to these new findings. Meaning, "Lucy" is not the oldest remnant if "Albert Perry" is not related to it based on their tests.
    3. They have flawed testing altogether

    Now my question could be, does it trace back to "North America", and if so then what?

    In due time, others will slowly trickle out "data" that would lead people to consider they are discovering older and older records of human existence.

    Similar to how technology is given to the "common public" only after the Central Intel Agencies of the "world" have no more use for it as they have the upgrades 10-20 years in advance.

    The dating will probably return back to 1.88 million years again, but slowly, only after the "we" that was mentioned in the article previously, have gotten what they want from it.
     
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    Really? I would say there are plenty of us whose DNA goes back billions of years, because this planet is organized form the dust of the universe and our bodies are also created from that same element of the earth. Because of that, carbon 13 dating, science can never get it right, unless we are counting the rings of a tree.
     
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    Then basically they wouldn't be able to differentiate your dna from the dirt in the park... but the point is that they can tell the difference from soil, to bone, to plantlife while all being carbon.
     
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    I think you take the bible a little too literally





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    Before modern DNA testing, "researchers" used "cultural simulations" to presume connected lineages.



    "Our face from fish to man"
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    My question... is it a common "scientific thought" that man evolved from fish?

    Then the progression afterwards is even more interesting, as something happens to the "fish" and it becomes what is "man".

    Using the science of DNA, how does the code change to form humans from fish?
    (not to get off topic, so may create a thread to open this for discussion later)

    Reason why I ask this in relation is due to this question:

    Can a so called "white man" do one of these DNA tracings, and have roots in Cameroon or Uganda?
    And if so, then what?

    There was a story years back about how Obama was related to Dick Cheney
    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/are-obama-and-cheney-related/

    Does this connection only include "Obama's Caucasian" side, or does the "Negroid" side just get overlooked... that is if we agree that "Cheney's" family derived from the "Negroid".

    Of course, DNA research and analysis is another way of narrowing down theories, and attempting to conclude the more probable of the remaining theories afterwards.
     
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    Distant Human Ancestor Had Shark Head
    Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Clyde C Coger Jr, Jun 13, 2012

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    The Adam and Eve story is too psst you aint really supposed to believe this
    To be exposed as a lie.
     
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    could someone please cite the study.
     
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