Black Spirituality Religion : On Being Muslim And A Vegetarian...

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    Being Muslim and a vegetarian (meaning one who obeys the Supreme Law of the Universe: “Thou Shalt Not Kill.”), I am appalled at the constant subtle suggestions and messages – via both the print and electronic media – designed to discourage Muslims (and everyone else for that matter) from choosing vegetarianism as a way of life...

    Recent studies by the National Council of Churches show that African-Americans are embracing the religion of Islam in large numbers, and there are other studies indicating that an increasing number of African-Americans and African-American Muslims are choosing vegetarianism as a way of life...

    It is my belief that all the prophets were vegetarians – from Prophet Ibrahim (saw) to Prophet Muhammad (saw), including Prophet Isa (Jesus) (saw). Allah (God) is everywhere, thus His spirit dwells in us, and just as I wouldn’t want any dead animals in my home, where I live, Allah (God) does not want dead animals in His temple (your body), where His spirit dwells...

    I believe that one who is striving for spiritual attainment should abstain from all that pertains to the animal, and this means the killing and eating of them also. All life is sacred, and all life comes from Allah (swt), and we have no right to destroy it. Killing animals is the destruction of life, and therefore in direct defiance of the Supreme Law of the Universe.

    The Bible does not simply say, “Thou shalt not kill humans.” It says broadly, “Thou shalt not kill.” When there is no food, someone may eat animal flesh in order to keep from starving. That is another thing. But it is most sinful to regularly maintain slaughterhouses just to satisfy the human tongue. There are some Muslims who say that the Holy Qur’an (Muslim Holy Book) enjoins the eating of some animal flesh, and this is true, but let us look at this enjoinment in its proper perspective:

    The Qur’an does not say that you must eat animal flesh; it says that there is some animal flesh that you can eat. The Qur'anic enjoinment of the eating of animal flesh takes into account the geographical area and the environmental conditions in which one lives, for it would be impossible for an Eskimo to be a vegetarian...

    The same can be said of the desert tribes of northern Africa and the Bedouin tribes of Saudi Arabia, where there is little or no vegetation. Many millions of people inhabit lands where there is little or no vegetation, and they are, or course, exempt from the Universal Law. In His infinite wisdom Allah (swt) has provided us with a holy book prescribed for all mankind, and the Holy Qur’an was written in a country whose mean temperature is 85º Fahrenheit year 'round!...

    All food, according to Islamic law, should be “halal,” i.e., allowed by the law, and “tayyib,” i.e., good, pure, wholesome and agreeable. Under the latter condition sometimes even lawful things become forbidden. For example, if a Muslim contracts colon cancer (caused by animal flesh putrefying in the colon), or if a Muslim sister contracts vaginal cancer from consuming excessive amounts of beef (check recent nutrition reports on the effect of beef consumption in the U.S.), then that beef – though lawful – becomes forbidden...

    It is impossible for a vegetarian to contract colon cancer, because vegetables, fruits and grains pass through the colon. There have also been many reports of diseased fish being caught with cancerous gills that are cut out and then sent to market to be sold. These are the reasons why a Muslim vegetarian abstains from not only the forbidden, but even that which is lawful.

    As a student of nutrition, I am firmly convinced that in addition to abstaining from all animal flesh as food, we should never eat anything white. White food is refined, processed and denatured (e.g., salt, sugar, milk, white flour and all white-flour products, and also eggs, which contain large amounts of cholesterol). These kinds of foods – in addition to the heavy consumption of animal flesh – are mainly responsible for the hundreds of thousands of deaths that occur each year due to high blood pressure, strokes, stomach and colon cancer, and heart attacks due to arteriosclerosis, which is the hardening of the arteries due to too much animal fat and cholesterol in the bloodstream. Simply put, animal flesh and white food is killing us, and we are digging our graves with our teeth!...

    We are entering the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, and as the Aquarian Age will be devoid of all that pertains to the animal, such things as alcohol, tobacco, drugs, and animal flesh as food will gradually disappear, for the outraged human body will no longer consent to receive what is has no use for. These poisons play no part in the development of a clean, healthy body. We are constantly being warned about cholesterol and the danger of too much animal fat in our diets. It would behoove many of our Muslim brothers and sisters to eliminate animal flesh from their diets altogether, for, in addition to the above reasons, too many of them are overweight.

    We must eat what Allah (swt) intended for us to eat, i.e., fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts, honey and natural juices; foods that provide optimum health for His created beings. The fact is, we need nothing else to sustain us throughout our existence on this planet...
     
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    We are entering the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, and as the Aquarian Age will be devoid of all that pertains to the animal, such things as alcohol, tobacco, drugs, and animal flesh as food will gradually disappear, for the outraged human body will no longer consent to receive what is has no use for. These poisons play no part in the development of a clean, healthy body. We are constantly being warned about cholesterol and the danger of too much animal fat in our diets. It would behoove many of our Muslim brothers and sisters to eliminate animal flesh from their diets altogether, for, in addition to the above reasons, too many of them are overweight...
     
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    Aqil--

    I just have a few questions.

    1. What makes this "Universal Law" so "universal". All the laws
    are based on two.....Thou shalt love no God but me and Love
    thy neighbor.....ALL OTHERS ARE BASED ON THEM.

    2. Just as you said the the Universal Law of Thou shalt not kill
    has no specifics as to killing man or animal.....ARE PLANTS AND
    ALL OTHER VEGITATION "LIVING"....so we would be killing
    them also right?

    3. Is it your contention that vegetarians do get cancer or many
    of the other diseases that flesh eaters get?

    Let me know what you think.

    peace and luv

    Dre'
     
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    The law that states: "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" is universal because it is a law that pertains to the entire Universe. And I would disagree that all other laws are based on what Jesus said.

    Yes.

    No. One does not "kill" plants and/or vegetables that God created and has provided for us to eat. In fact, God, in His Infinite Wisdom, created food before He created man. Bananas are green when plucked from the vine. They actually ripen OFF the vine...turning from green to a bright yellow, which is when they supposed to be eaten. Thus the banana is live on and off the vine, as are all other edible plants.

    To reiterate, we must eat what God intended for us to eat, i.e., fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts, honey and natural juices; foods that provide optimum health for His created beings. The fact is, we need nothing else to sustain us throughout our existence on this planet...
     
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    The law of THOU SHALL NOT KILL....Is based on love thy neighbor.

    I think you confuse decaying with ripening. Animals decay after they are killed...just as plants. God gave us dominon over all OTHER creatures on earth.

    I do agree that we should be more mindful of what we put in our temples. However, my take is that we as humans overdue everything. We eat TOO MUCH meat...especially red.....We eat TOO MANY sweets....including fruits....And it is possible to eat TOO MUCH vegitation. The fact is that we need the protein from fish and other meats. We just eat too much. 6 oz of meat a day is sufficient..... We eat more like 2 pounds. The reason for our sicknesses is we do not know how to do ANYTHING in moderation.
     
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    That is not true, A007. See my post above.

    I'm not confusing anything, A007. Perhaps you are. First, let us deal with the etymology of the word "decay," which is a biological term meaning to decompose; or rot. However, the word "decay" can apply to physical change, or, figuratively, to the breakdown of the mind, morals, or the like...usually implying a stage in deterioration short of destruction, whereas the word "rot" has both physical and figurative use. Therefore, animals decay and vegetable rot.

    True.

    I agree with much of what you say here. One can eat too many artificial sweets, such as candy and sugar...but never too much fruit. There are people who eat nothing but fruit (fruitarians), so the premise of your argument is therefore flawed. And re: protein...the human body produces enough of its own protein, and man doesn't need to seek protein anywhere else.
     
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    Here is more for your edification and clarification, A007:

    It is becoming increasingly more important for people to know what foods they should NOT eat, because too many are eating the wrong foods, and don’t even know it!

    Then they wonder how they contract diseases like high blood pressure, gout, gallstones, kidney stones, arteriosclerosis (hardening of the blood arteries caused by excessive animal fat in the bloodstream – a major cause of heart attacks), strokes, serious skin problems (due to the consumption of too many acid foods), obesity, etc. Recent medical studies have shown that men who consume large amounts of beef have a tendency to contract colon cancer, and women who did the same contracted vaginal cancer and cancer of the colon as well. Man is on a path of self-destruction as long as he continues to disobey God’s laws of right eating. (See Leviticus 3:17; 7:26 and 11:7-8.)

    Those who have given this subject consideration will not deny the fact that man is a vegetarian by nature. It is obvious that his teeth are designed to masticate vegetables, fruits, nuts and grains, whereas the teeth of carnivorous animals – which are tusk-like – are best adapted for flesh-tearing, and are also grown apart, so as to prevent the lodgment of particles of decayed flesh in the animal’s mouth...

    Man’s intestinal tract is also more complicated, and nearly three times as long as the intestinal tract of animals that live on flesh. Besides the shortness of the intestinal tract of carnivorous animals when compared with that of man, it is also very smooth, while the intestines of man have numerous folds and pouches.

    What we see here is that the intestines of beasts of prey are constructed so that their diet of flesh – which quickly decays – may be eliminated in the shortest possible time. The liver of, these animals is also of enormous size, and is very active, thus fully capable of neutralizing and eliminating 12 to 15 times as much acid as the human liver.

    It is now common knowledge that a balanced diet is absolutely necessary to our health and well being. Therefore, in balancing our meals we should always be certain to give preference to the alkaline foods (fresh vegetables, fruits and most grains), while the acid-producing foods should be used sparingly (i.e., no more than two or three times a week).

    Acid-producing foods are divided into two categories: organic acid (eggs, cheese, nuts and cereals) and inorganic acid (animal flesh, various animal by-products, all manufactured substances such as white sugar, white flour and all white-flour products). It is advisable to eliminate the inorganic substances altogether from your diet.

    Alkaline foods consist of but one type, namely the organic variety. These foods are readily absorbed into the system, thus permitting the remineralization of the body. This being true, these products – i.e., fresh vegetables, fruits and most grains – should constitute 90% of the diet at all times, while the acid-producing foods should form the remaining 10%. Following this procedure, one may automatically maintain optimum health, and enjoy complete freedom even from what may be considered incurable diseases...
     
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    "I'm not confusing anything, A007. Perhaps you are. First, let us deal with the etymology of the word "decay," which is a biological term meaning to decompose; or rot. However, the word "decay" can apply to physical change, or, figuratively, to the breakdown of the mind, morals, or the like...usually implying a stage in deterioration short of destruction, whereas the word "rot" has both physical and figurative use. Therefore, animals decay and vegetable rot. "

    I agree with this....However, it does not change the fact that the bannana and all of the other plants are not living before we consume them...only that they are in different degrees of rotting. So, haven't we broken the "Universal Law?" If we shouldn't kill, shouldn't that include ALL living things?

    "I agree with much of what you say here. One can eat too many artificial sweets, such as candy and sugar...but never too much fruit. There are people who eat nothing but fruit (fruitarians), so the premise of your argument is therefore flawed. And re: protein...the human body produces enough of its own protein, and man doesn't need to seek protein anywhere else."

    Just because people eat nothing but fruits does not make it right nor good for them. There are people that eat nothing but meat and/or meat products....does that make it ok?

    You still never addressed my question .."3. Is it your contention that vegetarians do get cancer or many of the other diseases that flesh eaters get? "

    All I am saying is that we can eat almost anything we want in moderation. Of course too much meat is bad for us...and too many refined foods, but to say that meat in and of itself is the cause of most of our ailments is debatable. I would submit that the depleated state of our soils have as much to do with our lack of nutrients i.e. bad health, as anything with the exception of municipal water.

    The chlorinated water we drink is linked to every form of cancer and 60 percent of all other diseases.
     
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    You have proffered a contradiction here, A007. First you make the erroneous statement that bananas and all other plants are not living before we consume them...which I discounted in my previous post. Then you query, "If we shouldn't kill, shouldn't that include ALL living things?" Your question becomes moot because you can't kill the fruits and vegetables that God provided for us to eat.

    What is the source of your information?

    In some parts of the world, where vegetation is scarce, people subsist on animal flesh. Eskimos, for instance, survive by eating whale meat...

    I missed it. The answer is no.

    We are supposed to eat what God intended for us to eat.

    Check out the health publications Nature of England and the American Journal of Medicine and you will find that there is no more debate on the subject...

    I agree. That's why I don't drink chlorinated water. I drink natural spring water...
     
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    Aqil--

    All of the contadictions are coming from you.

    First, there is a "universal law" that states we should not kill...BUT...its ok if we kill plants

    Second, We should be vegetarians because that is what God intended....EXCEPT....for those that can't

    Third, We are dying of cancer and other diseases because we eat meat....YET....eskimos live almost solely on meat...but they have very low rates of cancer, diabeties, and heart disease.

    Jesus ate fish and fed them to them to the multitudes....I guess the ultimate question is where in the Bible or Qur'an does it say "Thou shalt not eat meat?"
     
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