Black Spirituality Religion : Non-blacks becoming Kemeticians?

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  1. karmashines

    karmashines Banned MEMBER

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    In doing some Google research 'honoring ancestors' using Kemetician theology, I have seen several sites with non-blacks, mostly whites promoting this belief system. :eek:

    For the Kemeticians here, how do you feel about this? Is it possible for a white person to be geninely affected by Kemetician theology or is it just all for show... the latest 'in-thing' for them to do?
     
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    Most non-blacks don't realize (or don't think) that Kemet was a black civilization, so this isn't surprising.
     
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    Non-whites may very well be affected by Kemetic theology, as well as other ATR's, like the Oracle of Ifa. There is a white practictioner of Ifa named Phillip Neimark, and from what I understand he's supposed to be a babalawo (Elder/High Priest).

    Non-whites could not achieve this honored distinction without the complicity of black members of ATR's. So whether or not non-whites are genuinely affected by ATR's, the result is disastrous. Our ancestors in Kemet knew the repercussions of teaching non-whites our mysteries, and the latter was restricted from learning in our lodges for thousands of years. This would be akin to User Maat Ra (Rameses ll) giving Kemet's asian enemies the secrets of nuclear power.

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    True indeed to both my brothers here.

    There is a notorious "sect" of white Devils that are claiming the name of Kemet, in an unholy manner:

    The KEMETIC ORTHODOXY.

    Dont be fooled whatsoever by this sham of disrespect to our ancestors.

    This group is comprised of a bunch of fat, sweaty White Devils, claiming an ancestry that is not theirs.

    They call themselves "REVERENDS" and whatnot, and their Queen is a fat white piece of trailor park manure named TAMARA SIUDA. In the preceding pic, you can even see her standing in the waste lands of a trailor park.

    Look at the hordes of fat funky retards, gimps, geeks, and Napolean Dynamite rejects:

    http://www.kemet.org/images/blessing_imyseta.jpg

    http://www.netjer.org/images/album/r2k3groups/aad.jpg

    http://www.netjer.org/images/album/r2k3groups/aaf.sized.jpg (Saturday night at the Glee-Club, with Rosie O'Donnell, Martha Stewart, and Mr. Bean)

    http://www.netjer.org/images/album/r2k3groups/aag.jpg (what is this: "fun time with finger puppets?? Miss Piggy, Kermit, and Grover)

    http://www.netjer.org/images/album/r2k3groups/aaj.jpg (who is this supposed to be: DAVID KORESH?? )

    http://www.netjer.org/images/album/r2k3groups/aan.jpg ("Run Forrest, Run"!!)

    http://www.netjer.org/images/album/r2k3groups/aam.jpg (C'mon, this dude looks like he showed up for an AA meeting, not the AAS :rolleyes: )

    http://www.netjer.org/images/album/r2k3seminars/aaf.jpg (what the hell are these looney-birds doing?? :confused: And why do I get the urge to sing "I BELIEVE I CAN FLY" when I see this?)

    http://www.netjer.org/images/album/r2k3seminars/aba.jpg

    http://www.netjer.org/images/album/r2k3seminars/abc.jpg :witch:

    All of this non-sense can be found on their website.

    Notice however, that in all of nearly a dozen pics, NOT ONCE do you see any one that remotely passes as a Black person.

    Here is what "her holiness", the chunky but funky pink-toed beach whale has to say about Blacks and the African Legacy:

    http://www.kemet.org/nisutAUS.html
    Her Holiness encourages devotees of Kemetic Orthodoxy to be active in local causes, serve in charitable work and put the principles of their faith into concrete action. She feels it is vital for our faith to be a "good neighbor" wherever it finds itself -- and with active members in almost 30 countries, that's a big neighborhood! Her emphasis on service and faith with action is embodied in her own work as well, from actively supporting the Parliament of World Religions, the United Religions Initiative and other interfaith service projects (such as America Online's Spirituality Forum, and Mary's House, a home for abandoned children with AIDS Florida's Kashi Ashram), to presenting scholarly papers at the American Research Center in Egypt (ARCE), writing books and offering volunteer assistance at several Chicago museums, to working with spiritual leaders in the religions of Western and Southern Africa including the Ifa tradition of the Yoruba peoples; the traditions of the Akan, Nuba and Dinka; and the sangoma of South Africa). Her Holiness' most recent service projects endeavors include an interfaith alliance with the Association of Houngans and Mambos of the Southeast and the Vodouisant Roots Without End Society to promote women's and children's health in Jacmel, Haiti; and the recently-founded Udjat Foundation, a Kemetic Orthodox charitable institution.

    However, this is a blatant contradiction, as their FAQ page states:

    http://www.kemet.org/FAQ.html
    FAQ: What color were the ancient Egyptians? Since Kemet is in Africa, were they all Black, coming upriver from Sub-Saharan Africa to found a civilization? Or was the Kemetic society founded by White or Asian outsiders from the northeast?
    This question is as old as the modern study of Egyptology, and sadly, many people, past and present, insist on injecting race into questions about Kemet. The theory of a "dynastic race" (i.e., non-Kemetic persons related to modern Europeans) as the creators of Kemetic society, championed by early European and American Egyptologists, has been laid to rest as unsubstantiated, although those who read older (pre 1970 CE) Egyptology books might not believe that to be true.

    Current data from Predynastic history as well as the linguistic background of Kemet points to multiple origins of Kemetic society, including northern African, Levantine and Sub-Saharan strains. It appears, as research continues (though this is by no means a closed book), that ancient Egyptians resembled their modern descendants in many ways -- and if you have ever been to Egypt, you know that this means a number of skin colors and several ethnic backgrounds, with no one really "white" or "black" as understood in current American parlance.

    As stated in the Kemetic Orthodoxy pages, it is imperative to remember the Kemetic people NEVER had a sense of racial distinguisment in the manner that the United States seems to have -- what made a person "Kemetic" was not his or her skin color, hair type or parentage, but whether or not he or she was a member of Kemetic society, born and bred within its religion and culture. This is perhaps the most important lesson we can learn from Kemet -- that Netjer is there for all of Its children, no matter what color they are. As such Kemetic Orthodoxy does not limit membership in the faith for reasons of ethnicity, nor does it tolerate racial prejudice in its members.


    All of this double-talk perhaps explains why you don't see a single Black person (or person of color in general) within their congregation.

    And another important issue: Why is every single person in this group FAT? :confused:

    It looks like, in addition to embarrassing themselves and making a mockery of Black culture, all these ******** are concerned with doing all day is :cake:

    In the meantime, all one has to do, is take a casual glance at Ancient Kemetic art, and see that most depictions of both men and women, and they were mostly firm, fit and trim.......This was not because they were enfamined or under nourished, as we all know that Kemet was one of the richest and most abundant nations in all the ancient world.

    It was because they practiced a healthy diet and way of life overall.

    Look at the pics above: do these fat funky ******** represent such principles?

    In the meantime, one needs but one time to Visit either the AUSAR/AUSET SOCIET, or the SEMA INSTITUTE, and see healthy, voluptuous BEAUTIFUL women, and strong, powerful handsome men amongst the community.

    Our Brother Elder recently visited his local Chapter of the AAS, so he could no doubt verify this.

    We learn Yoga, Tai-Chi, Qi-Gong, martial arts, reiki, etc. Our Sisters learn mid-wivery, Dance, massage therapy, wholistic dieting, etc.

    What are these DEVILS doing, besides standing around, flapping their arms like a bunch of Turkey Buzzards??

    Speaking of the Brother Elder, this ties into a portion of a discussion on another thread, regarding how the knowledge of our ancestors should be disseminated, and the point was made (by our Sister RIVER, I believe) that it should be done carefully so.

    This is a prime example of being careful who you give your knowledge to, as these Devils with thyroid and gout problems have taken what we have created and turned into an "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" festival.

    Thus, my answer would be a heart-felt HELL NO.

    HOTEP
     
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    do these people have any accreditation from the ausar auset society?
     
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    That was one of the sites I saw when doing my research. :(

    It is pretty bad that their sect contains no black faces, when Kemetician theology was born from black minds. It would be like a Buddhist sect with no Asian teachers, or a sect practicing Native American spirituality with no NA teachers.

    It appears they are just trying to get attention, like whites do when they go to wicca. Because if they were really being influenced by the religion, they would be enlightened enough to seek black membership! They would also acknowledge Egypt as it was, a black nation!
     
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    Peace Kotomaa,

    It is the complicity, especially among those West African traditions, that brings considerable disgust. Sometimes, I think those who allow the pale invaders in lack a certain level of understanding regarding the crucial role the ATRs play in the Black reclamation of Self over the Anti-Self. Many seem to not remember the callous nature of the pale destroyers who corrupt whatever they come in contact with. My brother calls them the "immature". It is a very dangerous predicament and can only hamper the proper dissemination process so needed among us "children of the ancient ones". The United States can harbor certain scientific "discoveries" and "formulas" and perceive the leaking of such information as a"threat to national security" and the label of "treason" to the perpetrators. Likewise, we need to think in terms of a nation and hold our precious inheritance as such and guard its sanctity with tenacious resolve.

    Philip Neimark, the idiot, being such interloper was embroiled sometime ago in an internet flame war with another oyinbo "priest" supposedly of Palo. It was a pathetic debacle that I witnessed initially out of curiosity, but finished with a heavy heart. For the record, Neimark may have purchased his "babalawoship", but among many in the Ifa-Orisa community, he is nothing. Initiating into Ifa does not make one a babalawo, it makes one an Ifa initiate. The title of babalawo is earned as the status of elder is and one must themselves approved before anyone will take them serious as an Awo. A foolish old man is not an elder, a foolish old man is a fool that has made it to old age.

    The bottom line is that the oyinbo/bakra/obrone is such a power hungry and power seeking creature that anything purporting to increase their power of influence and manipulation over something they run to at neck break speed, especially those things African. Many start out in Wicca/Theosophy/Thelemic circles and once becoming despondent with that assume the natural progression as an European/Euro-American(s) and venture into the realm of ATRs in their quest for greater power of the "elementals" and integration to their Jungian "archetypal" intrepretations. Then there is also the allure of "ancient mysticism" or just "mysticism" for that matter, that arouses the lesser man's lower nature like a lustful romp at a brothel with drugged-out prostitutes - it is the sheer exotica which translates to erotica of the thing as a "virgin" justing waiting to be explored and exploited. All of this connects to the romanticism and fascination of the Nile and its blue eyed-line queens, sniffing lotus, sailing down it in reef boats fanned by servants, which in turn merges into a ultimate desire to erase the shame of being heir imposter to an illegitimate claim and to eradicate the knowing all things Black lead to a superiority and supremacy that is not artificial or illusionary as theirs.

    Just my take on it with wide sleepy eyes,
    Blackbird
     
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    Peace God,

    - Thus our current condition/punishment.................!! This is why Masons are so secretive (though they may not even know why), This is why it says that the "Tree in the middle of the Garden (Tree of Life) was not to be touched, because it was an Electromagnetic ANKH (LIFE) that would immediately kill THE UNLEARNED/NON-ILLUMINATED if they were too touch it.

    Peace
     
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    if not, why stress over it at all?
    every day, there will be some white person somewhere doing something that is not right.
    unless they are directly interdicting your flow, why even take the time to notice?
    you do you.
     
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    You're right about these white folks, most of the people on the links are big fat, bloated, growth hormone induced, giant :cake: gobbling, constipated :poop: troglodytes :yesno:

    Can somebody get me a lock of hair or a fingernail from one of these monsters, so I can put them out of their misery :slingshot
     
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