Black Spirituality Religion : No Such Thing As God

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  1. Fine1952

    Fine1952 Happy Winter Solstice MEMBER

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    Well, well it seems that the "Nicolaitanes" are again trying to reinvent God and religion.

    Fine :yesno:

    Nicolaitanes--hold doctrine or Balaam, and pose as what they are not.

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    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html
    The Times October 05, 2005

    Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
    By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent



    THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.



    The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible.

    “We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or complete historical precision,” they say in The Gift of Scripture.

    The document is timely, coming as it does amid the rise of the religious Right, in particular in the US.

    Some Christians want a literal interpretation of the story of creation, as told in Genesis, taught alongside Darwin’s theory of evolution in schools, believing “intelligent design” to be an equally plausible theory of how the world began.

    But the first 11 chapters of Genesis, in which two different and at times conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that this country’s Catholic bishops insist cannot be “historical”. At most, they say, they may contain “historical traces”.

    The document shows how far the Catholic Church has come since the 17th century, when Galileo was condemned as a heretic for flouting a near-universal belief in the divine inspiration of the Bible by advocating the Copernican view of the solar system. Only a century ago, Pope Pius X condemned Modernist Catholic scholars who adapted historical-critical methods of analysing ancient literature to the Bible.

    In the document, the bishops acknowledge their debt to biblical scholars. They say the Bible must be approached in the knowledge that it is “God’s word expressed in human language” and that proper acknowledgement should be given both to the word of God and its human dimensions.

    They say the Church must offer the gospel in ways “appropriate to changing times, intelligible and attractive to our contemporaries”.

    The Bible is true in passages relating to human salvation, they say, but continue: “We should not expect total accuracy from the Bible in other, secular matters.”

    They go on to condemn fundamentalism for its “intransigent intolerance” and to warn of “significant dangers” involved in a fundamentalist approach.

    “Such an approach is dangerous, for example, when people of one nation or group see in the Bible a mandate for their own superiority, and even consider themselves permitted by the Bible to use violence against others.”

    Of the notorious anti-Jewish curse in Matthew 27:25, “His blood be on us and on our children”, a passage used to justify centuries of anti-Semitism, the bishops say these and other words must never be used again as a pretext to treat Jewish people with contempt. Describing this passage as an example of dramatic exaggeration, the bishops say they have had “tragic consequences” in encouraging hatred and persecution. “The attitudes and language of first-century quarrels between Jews and Jewish Christians should never again be emulated in relations between Jews and Christians.”

    As examples of passages not to be taken literally, the bishops cite the early chapters of Genesis, comparing them with early creation legends from other cultures, especially from the ancient East. The bishops say it is clear that the primary purpose of these chapters was to provide religious teaching and that they could not be described as historical writing.

    Similarly, they refute the apocalyptic prophecies of Revelation, the last book of the Christian Bible, in which the writer describes the work of the risen Jesus, the death of the Beast and the wedding feast of Christ the Lamb.

    The bishops say: “Such symbolic language must be respected for what it is, and is not to be interpreted literally. We should not expect to discover in this book details about the end of the world, about how many will be saved and about when the end will come.”

    In their foreword to the teaching document, the two most senior Catholics of the land, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, Archbishop of Westminster, and Cardinal Keith O’Brien, Archbishop of St Andrew’s and Edinburgh, explain its context.

    They say people today are searching for what is worthwhile, what has real value, what can be trusted and what is really true.

    The new teaching has been issued as part of the 40th anniversary celebrations of Dei Verbum, the Second Vatican Council document explaining the place of Scripture in revelation. In the past 40 years, Catholics have learnt more than ever before to cherish the Bible. “We have rediscovered the Bible as a precious treasure, both ancient and ever new.”

    A Christian charity is sending a film about the Christmas story to every primary school in Britain after hearing of a young boy who asked his teacher why Mary and Joseph had named their baby after a swear word. The Breakout Trust raised £200,000 to make the 30-minute animated film, It’s a Boy. Steve Legg, head of the charity, said: “There are over 12 million children in the UK and only 756,000 of them go to church regularly.

    That leaves a staggering number who are probably not receiving basic Christian teaching.”

    BELIEVE IT OR NOT

    UNTRUE

    Genesis ii, 21-22

    So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept he took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; and the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man

    Genesis iii, 16

    God said to the woman [after she was beguiled by the serpent]: “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”


    Matthew xxvii, 25

    The words of the crowd: “His blood be on us and on our children.”


    Revelation xix,20

    And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with brimstone.”


    TRUE

    Exodus iii, 14

    God reveals himself to Moses as: “I am who I am.”


    Leviticus xxvi,12

    “I will be your God, and you shall be my people.”


    Exodus xx,1-17

    The Ten Commandments

    Matthew v,7

    The Sermon on the Mount

    Mark viii,29

    Peter declares Jesus to be the Christ

    Luke i

    The Virgin Birth

    John xx,28

    Proof of bodily resurrection
     
  2. Moorfius

    Moorfius Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Time has run out for Religions*

    Hotep

    Western so-called Religions and their purposful distortions of (33 degrees) so-called Scriptures and Fulse worship is done and over with as it dies a Natural Death today, so in this you are absoulty correct and so is the Pope.

    Ase`
     
  3. spicybrown

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    There is no such GOD as what we've been duped in believing. Sadly many people have been putting ith into a false diety. GOD is a man/woman. How else would we be able to witness his almighty return. Ghosts/spirits are invisible, and there is no scientific fact that they exist. :ghost: :hammer:
     
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    karmashines Banned MEMBER

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    To me God is real, but He/She is a lot deeper than what most reilgions make Him/Her out to be. We are also a part of God, just like we are a part of our parents.
     
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    If you impose the stipulation that your senses, perceptions, and personal feelings toward something doesn't necessarily qualify the existence of something, then that should make it impossible to prove the existence of god.

    God could have created us by imagining us up or we could have created the concept of god by imagining god up. So if you perceive something like god it could be your mind creating it and the illusion of god or god creating the illusion of you.

    You could define god as something that exists or nothing that exists. God could exist in the realm of the super natural and if the super natural does not exist then god exists in the realm of non-existence. That's the realm where anything can happen it is similar to the realm of make believe and who knows we might exist in that realm of non-existence ourselves in a make believe existence.
     
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    Whether God exists or not CANNOT be proved so it is up to individuals' speculation.........I'm not by any means saying you're wrong, just that what you say is a dead end because its all speculation. i don't mean this to be read with a hostile tone.
     
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    Many of us haven't actually seen Micheal Jackson, but we BELIEVE he exists. People are just too caught up in finding answers to lifes dilemmas, and deny GOD only when at wits end. The Holy Bible states: GOD created man in his image. Right? So we are spirits/ghosts? Or do we question that too? I believe in the teachings of Hon. Elijah Muhammad. The term GOD is the pinnacle of knowledge acquired in ones lifetime. The term DEVIL is the lowest of human behavior possible. These traits can only be attributed to men/women. For we cannot speak on behalf of creatures-can't communicate effectively with them. This is why many refer to GOD as The Almighty, Supreme Being, Best Knower. The mystery GOD we have all been reared to believe in is just that.....a mystery. It was slavery teaching. Not only to Blacks, but to all who were to be subject to be ruled. Whatever "spirits" people may encounter may just be moving energy/electricity in the atmosphere. Anybody can say some spook is watching us from the heavens just to keepp us in check and subservient. You'll never know where this spook is/or what it'll do next, so.... "you besta' stay in yo' place bwoy". Sure we may have conjured up our own individual GODS. Many men /women have been diefied, but logically speaking, somebody has to turn out the wisest.....this person is GOD-Almighty....I can't give you his address or nothin' but you can look into the teachings of Master Fard Muhammad/Honorable Elijah Muhammad For a better understanding read: "Message to the Blackman" by Elijah Muhammad. No other person to this very day has had the 8alls to attack this issue except them. So what other 'SCHOLARS' say....is irrevelant. You don't necessarily have to think from a religious point of view like we've been duped into believing. There are no secrets to anything in life. All you have to do is eliminate some of the worldly things from your lifestyle, and the truth will break through. I'm pretty sure this all sounds familiar:wave:
     
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    kaguvi Active Member MEMBER

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    Does God exist?

    Asking the question "does God exist?" would be pointless.My answer would be "No, He doesn't," regardless of whether God truly exists or not

    The question would be impossible to answer from an evidentiary standpoint simply because anything which God might have done (that is, any supernatural act which might serve as evidence for His existence) would have to be explained away in terms of natural causes, not because we know what those natural causes could possibly be, but simply because a God is not allowed to exist!
     
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    You can't prove it but you can't really disprove it either.

    But anyway, if not believing in a God works for you, then sobeit. You have to do what is right for your life and spiritual mindset.
     
  10. MississippiRed

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    Want to know if God exists....die and find out.....that's the only way anyone will ever know for certain if God is or ain't ...anything else is pure speculation ...Why do folk get so hot discussing religion anyway? There are all these so called great teachers, scholars who study all these so called ancient texts, and biblical writings and mysterious mysteries but if they were really real about it and honest with those that follow them and themselves they'd admit just how little they really know.......


    Red
    The wise man is the man who understands just how little he truly knows.
     
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