Amun-Ra : ******, Niggerz, ******

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  1. Amun-Ra

    Amun-Ra Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Nigge*! In my father’s day calling another black person a nigge* was a good way to get a swift introduction to someone’s fist. From the moment black people set foot on this soil, they have been called everything except that which they are—humans beings. However, the term that was used in the most malicious, degrading and demeaning manner was nigge*. White people used it almost exclusively to mean persons of African descent and included with the verbal baggage came the connotations we desperately try to avoid today such as shiftless, lazy and dumb.

    Slaves can be forgiven for calling themselves ******* because that is only words they knew until they learned different. They lost their native languages and adopted the English of the slave masters, which included nigge*. Now that the N-word, as it is so sheepishly referred to in the politically correct word, has become a regular part of the naming conventions in how we refer to ourselves, especially over the past 30 years. Now we have updated to include niggah, niggerz, ****** and host of other short hand speaking that still leaves no doubt as to the word.

    Nigge*! Some say they say and mean it in a loving way. Others say it is a legitimate way to refer to ourselves, while still others say it should be deleted from the lexicon of American English. However, Nigge* is just one of many words we use to refer to ourselves. We also call ourselves and each other *******, ho’s, dogs and of course, nigge*!

    Personally, I am none of those things and I resent being any of them or having any of my family being referred to by those names. I am not a dog. I do not lick my balls and my *** all day and scratch for fleas. I am not a womanizing, cheating, non-working man whose only interest is in getting over. My mother and sister are not ******* or ho’s. They never have been and never will be. I am not a ho. I respect myself and others, even those who are not worthy of that respect. Most of all, I am not a nigge*. Some say it is a term of endearment, but what term of endearment sparks anger if it comes from the wrong mouth? What term gives onlookers the thought that “it’s true what they say about black people having no respect for themselves?”

    If that is not enough, then I stay away from it because it was not a name I gave myself. I did not choose to be called nigge*, that is what others made me. It is from the vocabulary slave owners and bigots that has no legitimate purpose other than as a term of demeanment. But what about “my *****,” “my niggerz” or “****** with Attitude?” That is a personal choice and it one that I choose not to adopt. I use the word in my writing as a dramatic key for realism or as a shock element, but most of the shock has been taken out of the word, except when it falls from the wrong lips.

    Dawg? Not hardly. I won’t even be your boy. Calling a man boy when I grew up was an invitation to an *** kicking. I don’t answer to Roy or anything that sounds like boy. I don’t call women ******* or ho’s because I remember that I have a mother and sister. As much as we may want to paint a harmless picture of the names we call ourselves, the pictures we paint go far beyond our community and leaves bad art for the rest of the world to view, no matter that it isn’t who we are.

    I’ve said all of this to say, that you can call each other what you please but when you refer to me, if you can’t remember my name, call me Mister or Sir.


    Amun-Ra


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    Ra

    we lable self this way
    playin' or not
    saying the N word
    is a self destructional
    strong statement
    i agre wit ya Ra....................
     
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    Amun-Ra Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I am afraid I wear my feelings on my sleeve on this one. I ain't a boy! I've always been a man! I sho ain't no dawg because I don't walk on any man's leash and I certainly ain't a nigge* because it is not the name I call myself.

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    RIGHT ON TIME!!!

    AGAIN ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW WE WANT TO TURN A WORD AROUND TO MAKE US LOOK WORSE THAN WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE TO FEEL.

    WORDS ARE LIKE KNIVES, THEY CAN CUT TO HURT OR TO HEAL...IT'S UP TO THE SPEAKER AND/OR WRITER WHAT THEY WILL DO WITH THEM.

    I HATE THAT WORD AND WORK TO ALWAYS ENCOURAGE MY PEEPS NOT TO USE IT IN ANY FASHION OR FORM...ESPECIALLY MY YOUNG KINGS AND QUEENS!!!

    THE MUSIC INDUSTRY AND THE HIP-HOP CULTURE IN GENERAL TEND TO TAKE THIS WORD TO ANOTHER LEVEL AND ACT AS IF IT IS A GREETING TO EACH OTHER. IT REALLY DISGUSTS ME TO HEAR OTHER CULTURES TAKE THIS SAME WORD AND EACH OTHER IN THEIR OWN GROUPS THE SAME WORD NOT TAKING INTO MIND WHERE AND WHY IT EVEN EXISTED.

    KEEP EDUCATION OF THE SPIRIT AND MIND ALIVE...

    PEACE TO YOUR FACTION AND SPIRIT!

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  5. Amun-Ra

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    Of course I have dismissed the topic out of hand based on my personal thoughts and that has given the subject short shrift. Surely, it warrants further discussion as to the pros and cons. I can think of instances where the sobriquet would be absolutely correct even though it might be inflammatory. I will be revisiting this and trying to take a more balanced view.

    Ra

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    Call me by my name

    We have to be so careful when we speak to/about ourselves. I believe that our images of ourselves have everything to do with what we're called and what we call ourselves. I speak to parents constantly about giving positive self-images when they speak to their children. Too often we hear the ugliness in a parent's rant against their own children, calling them the most horrid things. Constantly telling children that they're little bastards, and *******...and cussing and swearing at them, is very damaging to their self-esteem.

    And the transformation and belief in those negative messages is extremely subtle. Our children generally won't disappoint us. They will then behave like little bastards and *******. I know. As a school teacher, I learned much from my students who were amazed because I wouldn't call them out of their names. Their other teachers did it; their parents did it....their friends did it. And why would I be any different?

    It was because I recognize that I have a name my own parents gave me, and that's what they always called me. There was "family pride" and self respect instilled. And in order to receive respect FROM my students, I would address them in a respectful manner at all times. Even called them "Mr." and "Miss". Something some of them had NEVER heard.

    "Nigge*" has the same debilitating affect on our self-esteem. Laughing and joking about it, like it means "nothing" to be chilling with the homies talking that talk, is so much blissful ignorance. The walls of self respect are slowly but surely coming down whenever our people engage in that negative self talk. And don't let someone from the other group(s) hear us! Somehow, "they" begin to think it's "ok" to say that word, too. And we all know that ain't the case.

    So I like to head that kind of nonsense off at the pass. I am what my name is upon meeting and greeting the red, the brown, the yellow, the black and the white....and I, in turn, give them all due respect when they introduce themselves to me.

    thank you for the opportunity

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    most def Alyce

    it's most def da truth coz so often too many tymes
    i've watch our own call self not of blackman but *****
    and our children lap all dis in at a point of less-esteem
    now u made some very sweet points here , and now
    we take it like it's our name ......Ra is right I am not a
    ***** nor all the other stuff one call out so proud i am
    me a man wit a Name do address me in such form or let
    it be ........i agree wit ya ....we must and will save our
    children minds so they can blossom..
     
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    If you Want to go deep . . .

    Try reading Randall Kennedy’s book, "******- The Strange Career of a Troublesome Word. Kennedy takes on all comers. He takes on the apologists, the sentimentalists and even himself in discussing the strange career of "******". I'll let you draw you own conclusions, but one thing Kennedy has succeded in doing is being thought provoking about a word that just will not go away nor will it be legitimized.

    Ra

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    Check This Out Yall ...

    The article below was shared on an email discussion list that I subscribe to. I immediately thought of your article Amun-Ra. I wrote the author, Davey D of www.daveyd.com, and asked permission to share it here.

    He said yes (though I didn't include the transcript he shared w/me).
    ****** SUCK! or ******* SUCK!
    Is There a Difference?

    by Davey D

    A major WACK Award goes out to those who insist and continue to use the N word. Whether you spell it ****** or *****, you still get the WACK Award. This past weekend the ridiculous logic of using this word came back to haunt us. A San Jose judge allowed a white guy who committed a hate crime against his Black female teacher off the hook.

    His defense, the white guy did not commit a hate crime when he vandalized school property because he spelled the N word N-I-G-G-A and not N-I-G-G-E-R. The white guy used the friendly version of the word. Editors note: the above headlines is not what was sprayed painted on the walls. Dude wrote 'Thanks *****' and had an arrow pointed to the teacher's name.

    For those who are still shaking their heads in disbelief, here's what went down. A white student at a San Jose high school got upset with his African American teacher for suspending his white friend. In retaliation he spray paints a school wall with the teacher's name and the N word which was spelled N-I-G-G-A. The police were upset. The teacher was upset and the community was appalled. Dude goes on trial for this hate crime and his defense attorney brings in some witness to testify to the judge that there's a difference between the two spellings of the N word. The judge listens and lets the white dude off and says no hate crime was committed and thus a dangerous precedent is set.

    San Jose's Black Police officers association were extremely upset over the ruling. After all, they know all to well what this will lead to. Next time some cop pulls you over and hurls the N word he can get off by saying he said N-I-G-G-A and not N-I-G-G-E-R. Should you be careful before you file a racial harassment suit against a coworker or an insensitive boss? After all, he or she may actually be using the ***** spelling of the word. I couldn't help recalling the speech that Minister Farrakhan gave at the most recent Hip Hop Summit in LA. He emphatically warned us..'if we keep putting something out there we will one day have to answer for it'. This recent court interpretation of this hate crime and the use of the N word was proof. Think about it.

    www.daveyd.com
     
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    The Confusion

    Destee:

    This piece brings the problem to light. We cannot haveit both ways. It either is a term that can be used freely, and that means by everyone, or it isn't. Yes, by acknowledging it as a term of affection or even attention, we can take power out of the word. However, as long as it has the power to incite, then it is a word that necessarily neds to be examined further and find some common ground for its usage or lack thereof.

    Ra

    :)
     
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