Amun-Ra : New Threat?

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  1. Amun-Ra

    Amun-Ra Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    In the continuing sex wars between black males and black females, a new interloper is on the scene; and, so far, has escaped the wrath usually heaped upon white women. She comes in a variety of colors, often has a broad nose and thick lips and as a rule doesn’t have blue, grey, or green eyes; neither does she have blonde hair.

    Enter the Asian woman. These women with dark, straight hair don’t have the Eurocentric looks that are passed off as the model for beautiful women.

    "In most societies the scale of female desirability is primarily determined by what the men as a group perceive as most feminine or most attractive. Note that the word is ‘feminine’ rather than ‘beautiful.’ Some reports say Asian women are considered petite by most American men and are therefore perceived as more feminine than ‘white,’ ‘Latino,’ or ‘black’ women.”

    It may come as a surprise to some African American women that “white” women have dropped to second place on the attractiveness scale among men in general. Asian women are showing up in rap videos, television and movies more frequently. Hollywood actresses such as Lucy Liu, Joan Chen, and Kelly Hu are getting roles once reserved for blacks.

    Now, new studies show that that the most marriageable women in the United States today are “Asian” not Euro-American.” Is this a new competitor for black men? Yes. Are more black men dating and marrying Asian women? Yes. Why? Who knows, but as this trend moves forward, it brings into question that standard argument that Afro-American women are victims of the “Eurocentric” beauty standard.

    So, what accounts for Asian women being perceived as the most feminine and African American women being perceived as least feminine and therefore least attractive? Most of it has to do with stereotypes reinforced by the media, but this does not account for the boost for women of Asian descent. Unfortunately, outside of the black community the black female most men are familiar with is the caricatures portrayed by African-American women in films and on television.

    What other men see, are the black women who appear all too often as guests on the “The Jerry Springer Show;” and, the image projected is that of an in-your-face, hostile, neck undulating, head bobbing, finger pointing woman with insatiable sexual desires. It is the stereotypical “Sapphire” image we have long tried to dispel.

    Obviously, these women are not representative of the entire black community, but there seems to be no outcry from African American women who don’t fit this stereotype. Nevertheless, large amounts of men, including black men, are “turned off” by crass sexuality, materially grasping and vulgarity. Sadly, we constantly reinforce this image; in rap videos and the roles we play in movies and television. Actors need to work, but the images on the silver screen and television screen leave lasting impressions and the impressions about black women are generally less than uplifting.

    How big a role does the media play in this portrayal of black femininity? Clearly, it is nearly over powering, but not all of it is hype. The black community itself perpetuates these stereotypes by not saying anything. So, the next time we pick up a stone to throw at the “white woman” who are “stealing” our men we should be aware that we might be aiming at the wrong person. Who is the right person? Not being one to cast stones, I can’t say, but it would seem that a few boulders might fall in the black community.

    Ra


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  2. Sekhemu

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    very well said
     
  3. Amun-Ra

    Amun-Ra Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    One of Those Subjects

    Writing this required careful thought because I wanted it to be clear that I was not picking on anyone. This is a piece of reporting--I am the messenger. This information is available in a lot of places. All I did, was bring it together as one piece and report it.

    Ra

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    indeed i feel ya the report show much display of thruth
     
  5. Amun-Ra

    Amun-Ra Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Touchy

    It is always a touchy situation delaing with things that in some way may denigrate or marginalize the black community, especially when it comes to men and women and their perceptions of each other without risking the wrath of one or the other group. Still, it is interesting information. As an observer of people, it is not news about Asian women becoming more popular in the United States, but I was surprised at the femininity aspect. That is something I never gave much thought, but I guess it is something men consider in choosing a mate, just as a woman might also make masculinity a factor is choosing a mate. It is oneof those things that is not articulated well because like beauty, it is subjective. What I know of Asian women is largely what I have read or seen. I've only had one intimate relationship with an Asian women in my life and it was largely isolated, so I can't really draw anything from it in terms of all Asian women's femininity. I suspect that like any other group, there are winners, losers and whole bunch of in-betweens. Still, it makes me curious. Is it a fad? A new trend? Or, is it the opening of new opportunities for black men and women? I don't know, but it is interesting, especially considering how the European standard has held sway in the United States for so long. Is it a changing of the guard as white people become the minority? Or is it just an anomoly, an errrant blip on the social radar?

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    ok so I wasn't the only one picking up on that

    I mean we can't fault men that like women. Be they white, Asian, Latino or Black. Some men do have a preference and they should not be knocked for it. Even still you do have to look at the fact that White and Asian women are put on this high horse of beautiful, but look at how they want bigger @sses and lips, hips and want to be darker than they really are. Want to dress and talk like Black women. Want to dance like us, get their hair like ours the whole nine yards. I see it as a compliment. They really want to be BLACK......

    I consider myself to be very femenine. I have white men as well as brothers and Asian men looking at me and complementing me all the time. I just say different strokes for different folks. The media is magnifying this and turning a mole hill into a mountain.

    Everyone can't look like the girl in the video. Shoot I blame all these magazines who have all these airbrushed images of women on the cover. Put a real woman on there for a change. I wouldn't give a rats @ss if every NBA player or NFL player had a white woman or an asian woman on his arm. That has never bothered me. I mean Shaq ain't paid none of my phone bills you know what I'm saying. I'll probably get jumped on for my statements but I don't care. It's time we start taking actions and stop talking about what is being taken from us. Stop making those near pornographic videos, stop teaching our little girls how to shake dance by age 5, and make them pick up a book and read it.

    This is just my 2 cents worth anyway. Good topic as always Ra





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  7. Amun-Ra

    Amun-Ra Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I forgot that one

    Airbrushing--you nailed that--looking in a magazine anymore it's hard to tell what's real and what isn't--and implants, men and women get them so it's hard to tel what's live and what's Memorex--Still, as you said, it is a matter of taste--what one considers feminine--another won't--on another note--where did all these white women with ***** come from?--overnight, it seems like a crop of white women with ***** popped up--who are these women? It's all a matter of taste and preference and arguing the point is a losing propostion because no matter how much each group loves its own--its all subjective and in the eyes of the beholder.

    Ra

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    Amun-Ra,

    What is the purpose of continuing this trend of so-called responsible and objective reporting whose purpose it seems is to ALWAYS point out to readers how Black women are constantly being passed over and less favored when compared to other women? If it wasn't a Black man writing it, I'd swear the person that waswore a white hood and burned crosses.

    We see enough of this every day, read about it in the tabloids, see it on television--why do you keep shoveling and stirring this crap up? It's the worst kind of crap too, the kind that only allows weeds to grow...poisonous, suffocating weeds.

    Do you think you're reporting something that is new and different? Do you think we're numb and blind to the reality about how Black women are perceived in this racist, blood sucking society? I wish some Black men who don't agree with you Amun-Ra would stand up, speak out and protest this kind or reporting. Aren't there any men out there that will show us that you're not a part of the statistics that Amun-Ra is describing? Come on and speak out in support of your sisters!!!

    I don't have to put another woman down to prove or defend my sense of self-worth. White women, Latino women, Asian women, Indian women...who next? I am second to no one because my existence isn't determined nor controlled by men. And I don't have to report on the number of men and their races that find me attractive. That is NOT the point!

    Maybe this says a lot about the differences between men and women and how we think but the point is I think this is GARBAGE and it reeks of the worst kind. I'm getting tired of being one of the few Black women, heck Black anything protesting this type of nonsense--but as long as it keeps coming, I'll comment!

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  9. Amun-Ra

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    Attack the Messenger

    Not once did I say this was my opinion--not once, but this statement clearly points out that you think it is--so it is another case of attacking the messenger for bringing the news. And it is news to many.

    Good comments, but still the examination is missing. One of the things, I was looking for is to find out does anybody think there is any truth in this. I am looking for whys?

    Nothing has been adressed except the topic. I had a couple of responses that addres how the media helps paint thses pictures and they reflected thought on a distasteful subject, but decrying the subject doesn't change the story, it avoids it. Defend it you must, examine and debate, but dismantle the story, not the messenger.

    Ra

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    Amun-Ra ... why post information that belittles Sisters? Have you been contributing articles like this all the time and i've just not been reading them? I can't allow this to continue. Our community is about empowering black people, not tearing us down, or broadcasting reports that do. There are thousands of web sites that would jump up and down with joy to have a black man posting negative reports of black women while touting the wonders of all others, please take this to them. We have too much work to do here and you're really getting in the way.

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