Black People : New Black City

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  1. Blackbird

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    One of my favorite movies of the early 90's is New Jack City. When it came out, I was a teenage knucklehead - thinking I was a gangbanger. Well, one night, I was watching New Jack City on DVR and I fell asleep. I began to dream.....

    A group of moderately successful, yet highly conscious Black folks got together for a special purpose. They noticed due to burst in housing bubble and weak economy that home values were dipping to decade lows. They had a plan. They would pinpoint a relatively commercially successful Black community with decent access to transportation means, i.e. freeways, train depot, bus routes, etc., that was declining in value and experiencing an increase in vacancies. They would begin to purchase property and land in these areas at rock bottom prices. Some in the group were strictly to purchase residential property and others would purchase commercial property and vacant land.

    After they had accomplished a buyout of 25-50% of the property in a designated area, they would began renovation, rehabilitation and revitalization. Old dilapidated houses were gutted, redesigned, transformed and resurfaced. Old commercial areas were repaved, rehabilitated, and resurfaced. A couple old fourplexes were purchased and transformed as well.

    The new homes on one street needed tenants and immediately a tenant search was performed to fill the homes. A thorough application process was instituted to ensure only people with integrity with a sense of community pride would move in. Rules were set that no b/s would go down on the block first, next the street and soon other streets. A community open house was held to invite all new members to meet, mingle and mix with their neighbors. From this a neighborhood watch was formed.

    Once the residential phase was completed, the commercial phase began with a centralized strip mall area. The goal was to have a barbershop, cafe, beauty salon, light hardware store and a modest corner store. The owners of these shops were encouraged to relocate in the community. Those that did received a discounted rent. The pilot development was a success and soon other commercial areas were opened for business.

    The real property that was purchased, nothing more than a few brownfields and dust areas, was planted with fresh sod and a dozen treelings. One area was selected as a community pride garden with flowerbeds, a variety of plants and bushes - seasonals and perennials. At the entrance into the community was a common area with a park bench and a metal brick red structure shaped into the Adinkra symbol of Fawohodie that had bright yellow ribbons tied around it. The unofficial name of the community was called "Independence Park." Eventually, the street through the main commercial area was emblazoned with bright yellow flags with red Adinkra symbols on them hanging from the light posts.

    That was my dream. A New Black City. Do you like this dream? If so, what can we do to make it a reality?

    The Bird (still Black - always and forever)
     
  2. Blackbird

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    So what's the objective?

    We become the Nino Browns and Cash Money Brothers in our communities. We gang up. We operate like a gang, a gang of Black folks working with intent and purpose to take over the Carter.

    Once we take over the Carter, we replicate the Carter.

    Who's down for a New Black City....?
     
  3. skuderjaymes

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    I had a dream just like that..

    ( http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=629572&postcount=1 )

    Here's the ad..


    Baldwin County, Alabama
    15114 acres by Robertsdale, Alabama for sale Acreage
    15114 acres
    $35,000,000.00

    OK.. here's the plan.. we collect 100 from 350,000 black people.. and we
    buy this 15,000 acre property in Alabama in cold cash.. put 350,000 names
    on the title.. then, every two weeks for the next year, we collect another
    100 dollars from the same 350,000 people.. and that's 35 million dollars every
    two weeks.. for 26 periods.. that's almost 1 Billion dollars.. (910 Million to be
    exact.. just a 3 more paychecks to a billion).. anyway.. we'll never see that
    billion, because every two weeks, we spend every nickel purchasing more
    property.. inside and outside the united states.. for the next 5 years.. every
    two weeks, we keep buying and buying and buying.. until we have somewhere
    near 500,000 acres of land inside and outside the united states..
    then with our 910 million per year budget, we begin development.. through
    our own developers.. and we create the kind of communities that we deserve.
    then when we get all of this in place.. we just live. no rent, no mortgage,
    no economic slavery.. just the usual demons of regular life..

    ok.. ready.. set... Go!!!


    ( http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=629572&postcount=19 )

    this whole thing is about the model.. not about the numbers..
    the idea is about cooperation.. and about how much bigger we are when we
    cooperate with one another.. the same model will work for 10 cousins.. working
    for minimum wage.. 100 dollars every other week is 26,000 per year.. 10
    years.. thats 260,000 dollars.. increase it to 200 at and thats 780,000 dollars
    in 20 years.. working regular jobs.. these cousins can use that money however
    they see fit.. for property.. personal security.. as opposed to social security..
    they can add more or less... or combine with other larger groups.. and through
    that type of process put real economic power in their own hands.. as opposed
    to asking white folks for loans.. and chances to do stuff.. we can make it
    happen ourselves.. just by thinking outside of traditional profit oriented schemes..
    No investments.. no interest.. no formal organizations.. just pure cooperation
    between like minded people..

    ( http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=629629&postcount=33 )

    I agree the plan should include buying land
    and setting up industry in Africa.. All of that is possible after a strong
    cooperative system has been adopted.. if we had done this 30 years ago..
    we could send real aid to Haiti.. send them a billion dollars.. we could loan
    money to governments.. buy a seat at the table.. change the whole game.
    it all sounds dreamy but how many households have cable? How many
    millions of dollars does Comcast recieve from black folks every 2 weeks?
    way more than 35 million.. how many callers vote on American Idol?
    it's all possible, especially today with the ways that we
    all have access to eachother.. we could setup and coordinate our nationwide
    activities.. information campaigns.. town hall meetings.. the whole nine..
    no national press coverage necessary.. no sponsorship necessary.. the
    internet levels the playing field.. Even if you failed and only managed
    23,000.. that's 2.3Million every 2 weeks.. or 2300.. that's 230,000 dollars
    every two weeks.. that's you could buy every vacant house in detroit.. and
    own them free and clear as a group. all you're doing is setting up a subscription
    to our future..


    ( http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=629629&postcount=28 )

    .. you know, I really try to steer clear of alot of those plans.. I just
    try to work from within my own mind.. it's hard to explain.. but the attempt
    to control us is so subtly placed that you can find yourself completely out of
    context.. I think alot of us have the same kinds of ideas because we are
    from the same kind of experience.. and if we all just put our heads down and
    move forward in the ways that we know how.. the ways that we innately
    understand.. no schemes.. no vagueries.. just straight clarity.. if we can do
    that, then our children will have a chance at being something more than
    dark skinned europeans.... that's the way I see it.. I'm just trying to figure
    a way out of the fate that I see for our people 200 years down the line..
    if we don't take control in some important ways, then we will be like the
    Native Americans.. just features in other folks.. a wavy hair.. a broad set of
    shoulders... "my great great great grandfather was African.."

    ( http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=629629&postcount=48 )


    it's how lots of family businesses work.. the motive isn't individual profit, it's
    collective progress.. there are no fees.. no interest... no outside control..
    that's how capitalism is mitigated and defeated.. you have to buy your
    way to freedom.. just like the old days.. once you own your property free
    and clear, you are that much free-er.. once you have your own energy
    generation, you are that much free-er.. once you have your own water
    supply.. and your own food supply.. then you are free.. and a free person
    is dangerous to a slave state.. they want us all pre-occupied with chasing
    down that dollar.. they want to use up our time and energy in pursuit of cash..
    but when you have your own stuff.. free and clear.. you don't have to run
    so fast.. you can slow down and take a look around.. and you can spend
    building your nation.. your family.. your community.. educating your kids..
    planning your future.. you can enjoy your life instead of spending it waiting
    to retire.. waiting to get some money back after being pimped by the
    government for your entire career.. but see, they can't pimp you if you
    are free.. if you're not working 40 hours a week getting their making their
    tax revenue for them.. Get a group together, buy some land, develop it,
    setup your own self-sustaining community based on cooperation rather
    than profit.. and they can't pimp you.. and that's really the model for a
    family.. you don't charge your kids room and board, you provide a space
    for them to grow and learn and be protected.. We can do the same thing
    outside our families by just deciding to act in concert and by muting all the
    greed, divisiveness and opportunism built-in to capitalism..


    ( http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=629716&postcount=62 )

    we all have to work within our own circle of influence..
    you get your folks and do your thing.. I get mines and do mine.. and we all
    benefit in the end. And those Korean banks give loans to Koreans without
    all the red tape.. they are there to assist their people.. And we can do the
    same thing.. but we have to define our own groups.. define our group goals out loud.
    We have to define our circles and put together our coalitions in very
    deliberate ways.. no accidental associations.. get your 7 guys and have
    those 7 guys get their 7 guys to get 7 guys and you have your hundred.. draw up the
    plan.. put all the assurances in place.. make it all equal.. no one above
    anyone else.. establish some guidelines for the pact.. cut out profit motives..
    take advantage of your numbers and make the contributions reasonably
    small.. don't mimic any of the exploitative devices used by white capitalism..
    cut out majority rules.. cut out all of the potential division.. once all the
    property is owned by the group, open the stores and run them as businesses,
    but without the pressure of making the loan payment or paying the rent or
    any of those things that put folks out of business.. Imagine owning your store
    and your house free and clear.. and helping your brother own his store and his
    house free and clear.. imagine what kind of time we could have to
    live.. and raise our kids.. and how many more kids we could have.. suddenly
    we can afford big families.. big solid families.. that have time to transmit values..
    and our sons and daughters can get together and start healthy families..
    and I don't mean to give the impression that his is not already happening.. it is..
    I'm just scheming on how it can be made real for more of our folks..

    If we don't act as a group, we're not really a group.. we just look like one.
     
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    Mama Earth, RA and all 'em callin on Africa to get ready to clean up the mess that they breakin on. like we always do; they mess it off until such time as it don't sustain them no more, we clean it up and set it up for the next go'round ... again. !QA !RA!

    fi'teen years or so ago, i got to thinking/wondering about some of the parts that might would be needed for the underlying infrastructure of a self sustaining city. it's just been sitting there at that url i used to use in my premium membership sig. maybe getting close to time to dust all that off.

    sometimes seems like that reason that sent me to find this place back in feb of 05 might be pushing on saying time to bring the mess. what with Africa stirring like it be doing these days. (er'body think it about them being about something; that's just the crap about to shake off the outer layers: Africa be Rising!!)

    [but none of it gonna fly until after this mental disease called "capitalism" loses it's grip!]
     
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    That's a very important point. It's also the most difficult point to get across to
    the buisness minded.. they don't get that all of the ills that plague us as a
    society.. the greed.. the selfishness.. the disnunity.. all of those things are built
    right into capitalism. Capitalism appeals to the individual's lust for
    possessions.. for status.. for money.. it's a system where the ends justify
    the means.. where all ways of gaining capital are respected.. doesn't matter
    who you step on.. murder.. oppress.. victimize.. long as you get that paper,
    it's all good. And there is a ton of regulation by the government aimed at
    keeping it as exploitive and destructive and self-serving as it is. And any
    talk of building anything.. an organization.. a nation.. etc.. has to take on the
    ills of capitalism directly.. and not just in words but in structure and practice
    and policy.​
     
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    taking it on directly is playing right into their hands and perpetuating their game. best to step away from it entirely - yeah, even harder.

    but if one knows that a thing is wrong, is not the Path of Righteousness to no longer knowingly do that wrong thing? thorny, eh?

    Life is a Co-Operative, not this competitive mess that is required by, (or that requires?), this divide and conquer cannibalizing capitalism.
     
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    there's no way to completely walk away from the system that the modern world
    is built upon. It is impossible. The most you can hope to do is mitigate the
    negative effects of capitalism by creating a layer of abstraction between
    the capitalistic world and your organization. It's the same thing you do in
    a family. We don't charge our kids rent.. we pay for the space so they don't
    have to.. and in doing so we mitigate the effects of capitalism and protect
    our children from having to find ways to make money. We are still subject
    to the laws of capitalism. We still have to file and pay taxes.. we are still
    subject to the pressure of financial markets. Short of moving to a desert
    island and renouncing modern living, their is no realistic way to step
    completely clear of capitalism.. and for what it's worth, it's not all bad.
    The main issues with capitalism has to do with the way it abstracts human
    life down generalized ideas of profit and loss. But I'm just as affraid of
    religion as I am of Capitalism.. in fact, I believe Capitalism is a religion and
    that whole Path to righteousness line made me shake a little bit..
    it places these things we're talking about on the level of morality.. and I
    can't agree with that.. there's nothing immoral about buying and selling.
    but when they applied those concepts to human beings, it became an atrocity..
    when human life began to be measured in capitalistic terms,
    that's where it all went wrong. but is the answer communism? I don't think
    so. I think the answer is to modify the system that we have toward our own
    ends.
     
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    sorry; nope: all wrong.

    it wouldn't at all be easy, pleasant or immediately enjoyable, but it can be, will be and MUST be done. one ain't gonna get away from the ravages of a system by seeking to embrace the pieces that one agrees with; the camel is still on the other end of that nose that has been allowed to remain.

    yep; totally a moral issue. and words/concepts like "righteousness" do not necessarily have to have a "religious" connotation - that's just part of this supreme-lunatic mess that allowed for/concocted this "language system" that is only good for the one-up-manship putdown. as well as these silly "isms" like "communism", "socialism" and the like. might as well toss in "nazism" for all the connotations that labels like "communism" generate in this silly azzd western culture/philosophy.

    after all the time spent doing the thing the wrong way; it's gonna hurt a LOT to make the necessary sacrifices to correct stuff. in fact, this whole mess is gonna hafta break COMPLETELY and wallow in a whole bunch of that "post apocalypse" type stuff until some sense prevails.

    but that ain't no problem; that's why Africans are around: we'll clean it up and put it back together for the next go round ... and hope that this time it comes out a bit different. (sadly, this whole "black" thing is part and parcel of the current mess ... but y'all still ain't ready to hear that.)

    (my assurance comes from at least two sources: one is the chunk of Fingernail that broke off when i finally answered The Call of my Creation. the other is the Kilimanjaro that makes up the bones of my skeleton. either way; i ain't worried that my stuff might be a lot early and not accepted easily. 'sides, given that the only agenda i have is that there will be a universal sound of Happy Babies (ALL Babies of EVERY species) around this planet, i don't care what folks think/feel right now and, also, i will NOT be faded.
    Peace to All)
     
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    It sounds nicer than White City in London.
     
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    Okay.. I'm "all wrong", so what's right? set me straight..answer
    me this:

    1. How would the system of living that you are suggesting actually work?
    2. How would you suggest we transition from the current system to the one you're thinking of?


    peace.
     
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