Black People : Name Black People That Don't Serve White People ?

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  1. Destee

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    Peace and Blessings Family,

    Wetac0s made the following statement in another thread.



    I asked her, did she know any Black Person, that in the end, does not serve the White people in power.

    While she did answer my question, it wasn't quite what I was looking for, so I'm asking everyone to share with me, if you don't mind.

    We, as a people, tend to diminish each other, when we think one is acting inappropriately (serving), as it relates to White folk.

    Even Obama has been included in this number, being diminished. Yet, I'm of the opinion that not one of us is free from serving them. We are all bound to them.

    Why is it so easy for us to attempt to diminish the character and integrity of another Black Person, when each of us are subject to their rule?

    How are we ... those that do this ... differentiating themselves, from the rest of us?

    What makes you so much better than the next Black Person, when you too must abide by all of their rules and laws (and do for the most part), written and unwritten?

    Maybe you know some Black People that don't, in the end, serve White People in power. Maybe you are one of them.

    If so, please share how you or they (please name them too) achieved this end.

    It's almost like ... cook'n for massah 'nem is the worst thing one can do ... you despise the cooks ... but you planted the corn (or shucked it) that was cooked!

    I don't get it. We all play a part in our own demise, yet there are some that have reduced their own culpability, while simultaneously increasing another's.

    Anyway, I think yall get my point and question ... right? ... :)

    Can you name some Black People that don't, in the end, serve White people in power?

    Folk walk'n 'roun ack'n like they all this and all that, talk'n 'bout other Black People, and they serve too! I don't get it.

    Thanks in advance.

    :heart:

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    Not sure if I can give you an answer that will satisfy but I will try before going to bed. Again, Barack Obama is a political leader, who is entrused by the people who voted for him to provide leadership. Therefore, he can not be equated the same as most Black folks who are marginalized and excluded from the very same political system in which Obama is the HNIC.

    As POTUS the fact is Barack Obama serves mostly white folks but he also serves minority communities but lets be real. In these forums alone there are an abundance of threads which have engaged in viral Obama-bashing with attacks on his character even to the point of referring to him as a "mulatto" ad nauseum.

    Quite frankly, I believe that we need to cease from this view of "white people" in power and recognize, on a global context, what it really is. A decaying system in the process of rapid disintegration and if it was not for the participation and complicity of Black folks in this same system it would collapse at a rated quicker than it is presently melting down.

    So to suggest that we all serve the system does not recognize that evything contains within its opposite which means some of us are doing the system a "disservice" which is to say resistance to those who serve. We won't see this if our thinking remains within this black/white binary mode of thinking which limits our ability to see outside the box (matrix).
     
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    I'm kinda confused by what is said in the above, Destee.

    When folks "attempt to diminish the character and integrity of" said racism
    white supremacy, for example, the backlash is "don't worry about yt; we
    need to look at ourselves". If we look out ourselves, our community.... and
    if obama is a part of our community, then this means that the "brotha" is not
    beyond reproach. Yet to wage criticisms at obama, or any other brotha/sista,
    for that matter is often misconstrued as tearing another brotha/sista down.

    Where is the middle ground? It is as if minds are being pigeon holed in this
    regard.

    Destee.

    Why do the preacher/priest continue to preach? What makes the preacher so
    much better that she/he can sit up there and tell folks they need to get
    right with the most high? To get their act together? After all, their house
    isn't in immaculate order either.....right?
     
  4. Destee

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    Barack Obama is a Man, like any other Man. He was not born with 2 heads, 4 legs, or any innate ability that you, i, or anyone reading this thread, was not born with. Yes, he's the President of the United States of America, but just like he could be, so too could you or I, if we had groomed ourselves accordingly. His winning that office, is evidence of that, that a Black Person can win ... so to put him on some pedestal ... as if he is more man than you or other men ... well ... I just don't see any evidence of that.

    What makes him more able to be a leader, entrusted with the hope of the people, than you?

    I agree that most Blacks are marginalized, excluded, etc., but at birth, none of us know which Black Person will break through, and which one won't. If we did not do the things necessary to break through, impact change, lead, etc., how fair is it to look upon those that did, and say they are somehow better than the rest ... putting inordinate amounts of responsibility on them, while taking none for ourselves. If that is true, then there is no hope for the majority of us to effect change, unless ... unless what ?? ... we die and be born again, making better choices the second time around? I don't think that's the case. I think we all have great leadership potential within us, and should learn to lean more towards it, and not toward what someone else (who we've surmised is greater than self) can do. While we may not reach the level of President (of the USA), we can certainly do great things for our people, if we had a mind to.

    I am so ready to leave this thinking of white people in power, just as soon as they aren't! The evidence suggests they are in power. They make the rules. They make the money. They provide the infrastructure, the lights, gas, water, employment, education, etc. They hold most all of the cards. We do what they say, they don't do what we say. If I'm wrong, show me, for I am oh so ready to leave this train of thought ... but I don't want to just leave it by burying my head in the sand. Show me the substantive day to day things that they don't control (as it relates to Black People), and I'll stop.

    Yes, there are some of us that are rebellious to their rules and regulations and such, but most all those are conveniently locked away in their prisons ... or dead. There are not too many Black People running around talking about I'm not going to do anything white folk say, I'm not going to abide by their rules, actually living up to those words, and remaining free from a prison cell ... and if they are doing it, and have somehow miraculously remained free ... they are probably cointelpro ... allowed to carry on that way, just to get a few more Brothers and Sisters locked up.

    These White folk aint play'n ... show me the Black People that are doing whatever they want ... making their own rules.

    Show them to me! Or, if you can, show me the Black People that are making rules for bunches of white people (as they do for us).

    I understand your dislike for the whole white supremacy lingo ... but we can't even begin to solve the problem, until we understand it.

    The truth is just the truth, and we must face it (to overcome it), as difficult as it is to hear / read.

    Love You!

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    Destee
     
  5. Destee

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    I'm of the opinion, that we are in such bad shape, we can't afford to diminish and disparage each other.

    We all come to the front-line wounded. How can the person with a broken leg want to tell the person with a broken arm, they are not fit to fight.

    Every one of us brings the manifestation of the conditioning put upon our people, to the table.

    You, nor I, am an exception to that. So what does it look like, me talking about how conditioned you are, when I carry my own?!

    The middle ground you ask, is to talk about yourself, and your manifestation of the conditioning, not another Sister or Brother's ... for you surely have some.

    Free yourself from it all, then come to us and teach us how you did it.



    Probably the same reason you get on your high horse, talking down to people, as if you have your act in immaculate order.

    We do that to each other ... why ... it's how they've taught us to treat each other ... that one is better than another, yet we all serve them.

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  6. RAPTOR

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    Dig,

    If the man's personal life is being attacked...that's one thing. Yet as a potus
    he/his policies, or lack thereof, is up for grabs in the public arena. It's been
    that way since the first pres, why change that?

    However "conditioned" you are...however "conditioned" I am, if I say something, do,
    or don't do, something that compels you to address it, then address it and lets see
    where it goes. Simple as that. I'm not really interested in your personal life. It does
    me, personally, no good from this side of the terminal.

    Destee. Every time that golden-cow, that is pres. obama, gets 'touched' is
    when you descend from the gamma region of deep space. Our not being the
    "exception" should not constitute self-censorship or censorship from others.


    Or exercise your right to censor those you don't agree with, then
    all will be well in the brave new world of Destee.


    And that is? Lets not speculate on this one.

    The same way a priest/preacher can sit up there and tell folks they need to get right with the most high? To get their act together?:10500:
    I reckon we should shut down the ecclesias/places of worship down until our
    "condition" "manifest" into something you can agree with, no?
    This appears to be your logic manifesting itself.


    Again, where is the middle ground? That is, how can one be critical without it being
    misconstrued as tearing a brotha/sista down?
     
  7. Destee

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    I've held this position always, we should not attempt to diminish and/or disparage our own people.

    It's not new. It's not something i made up just for Barack the President. He's no different than any other Black Man. This applies across the board (for me).

    He is serving too ... just like you, just like me ... just like all of us.

    Because he's in a position of authority, that means he has some power to wield how you see fit? That's like saying the Brothers that work for banks, are in a position to give Black People loans. Please. And since they aren't doing that, in their capacity and authority, they are somehow cheating the Black community?! Please. They are doing a job, just like most of us, just like Obama ... according to the rules already in place.



    I've not shared any of my personal life with you, personally ... and don't need your permission to address whatever I want.



    Get a life. Trying to count when I come and post on destee?! Please. I've been here forever, spoke on a plethora of topics, and will continue to do so, as I see fit.



    For someone worried about being censored, you sure have a lot of posts here. When does the censoring kick in? I'm ready for it. Who do I need to talk to?



    That's all I have to offer, speculation, for I don't do it.

    You're more able to answer that question ... why you and others disparage and diminish your own people, and yall aint rite ... since you do it just like them.



    You are free to shut down whatever you'd like, and are able to shut down ... which isn't much, I'm sure.

    That's your assessment of my logic, not my logic.



    As I've already said, I don't think we should be doing it at all ... but folk do anyway ... as you prove on a regular basis.

    Talking about someone "descending" in ... do you care to answer the question at hand, or do you simply want to engage me on off-topic stuff?

    If you are willing to answer the question at hand ... do you know some Black People not subject to White People? Please name them for us?

    I'm sure your name will be in that number, with all of your high and mighty (immaculate) living, for surely you don't serve them ... you just talk about those that do.

    :heart:

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    THE DRAMA THAT WE AS BLACK PEOPLE ENTERTAIN IS VERY VERY OLD.....AND ENDLESS.....

    NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE LEARN & OBTAIN.....WHETHER IT BE IN ABUNDANCE OR IN SCARCITY.....

    ...WE ALWAYS FIND THE TIME TO POINT , JUDGE , AND DISMISS.....WHEN THE SUBJECT OR TOPIC IS ONE OF US....

    BECAUSE AS DESCENDANTS OF THE MOST HORRIFIC SLAVERY IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND...ONE OF THE FREEDOMS WE CONTINUE TO ABUSE , SINCE WE WERE ALLOWED TO TALK AMONG ONE ANOTHER......IS CHARACTERIZING....

    WHY ??.....BECAUSE ALL WE HAD TO COMPARE EACH OTHER TO.....WAS THE EUROPEAN , THAT WE INDIVIDUALLY SELECTED....WHETHER WE WERE A FIELD NEGRO OR A HOUSE NEGRO...

    OUR INNER STRTENGTH CONSTANTLY TELLS US WE ARE MORE POWERFUL THAN THESE CAVE-DWELLING CREATURES....A NON-ENDING CONFLICT WITHIN ALL OF US THAT ONLY MANIFESTS ITSELF TO THE SMALL LEVELS OF PETTY CRIMES , GOSSIP , NON-THREATENING GROUPS , AND INSANITY...



    Taken from a point made by Minister David Muhammad , Nation of Islam :

    JUST LIKE THE CIRCUS LION , WE HAVE BEEN RAISED IN CAPTIVITY , SO THEREFORE , OUR LIONS ROAR HAS BEEN ALTERED FROM OUR TRUE LIONS ROAR IF WE WERE IN OUR OWN REAL HABITAT....



    CONSIDERING THAT WE HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY POISONED WITH THE EUROPEAN POWER STRUCTURE , I THINK IT IS NOW SAFE TO SAY , THAT PERSPECTIVE ALONE , WITHOUT THE FOUNDATION OF NEIGHBORLY LOVE , HAS ALLOWED FALSE PRIDE TO ANCHOR US WITH NEGATIVITY...

    BARACK OBAMA IS FACED WITH A VERY STRONG RESISTENCE THAT LIVES WITH HIM AND ABOVE HIM IN THE WORLD OF POLITICS...

    SO REGARDLESS HOW MUCH HE MAY LOVE US , HIS CONSIDERATION OF US WILL ALWAYS BE LIMITED.....

    NOW , UNTIL THE CURRENT POWER STRUCTURE FALLS , OR OUR OWN ECONOMIC SITUATION FLOURISHES COLLECTIVELY , ( like black wallstreet in okla. ) , WE ARE ALL SERVING THE EUROPEAN IN SOME FORM OR FASHION.....


    WARRIOR
     
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    Destee,

    There are those, among us, who may not consider obama, as "one of
    our own". How do you address that? That doesn't mean asking me as to
    whether or not I consider obama to be on of "our own people".

    Interesting...

    When it comes to issues concerning black folks. One of the issues spoken about often
    is how black men, who are fathers, aren't raising their children. Folks are critical of these
    black men. Now I don't totally disagree with them...(where we split is, generally on how
    it got to be that way).

    Now, how does speaking critically about fathers not taking responsibilities get fathers,
    who aren't doing their part in the rearing of their children, to do their part?

    That being said, I don't see you around when championing black folks in that
    regard. You have not addressed those sentiments (if at all remotely) or
    as frequently....as you do when it comes to pres. obama as long as I've been
    in your world. Why is that? Is it not tearing black folks down? If so, then where
    are you when that kind of tearing down, is going down?

    What does that have to do with speaking to
    policies?

    Strawman aside:

    Does my vote for the pres. give me a right to be critical of whatever
    policies or lack thereof?


    Apparently, that's what you want from those who take issue with
    pres. obama. That, "What are you doing"..."Who do you think you are"
    diatribe.


    Whenever you wanna argue direct issues with respect to pres. obama instead of making it a "stop tearing down your own" diatribe, I'll be there Destee.

    No.

    It is an observation.

    A pattern with regard to pres. obama that I've noticed.

    You ain't lyin' about that.


    Save the spin Destee...

    Whenever someone take a critical view of the pres's policies,
    or lack thereof, you attempt to talk folks down by not arguing the issues.
    An indirect attempt at censorship. At least when obama is concerned.



    Without facts...one way or the other...it is speculation.

    But Destee,

    I did not ask a rhetorical question.

    The
    evidence says otherwise, but I digress.

    Whenever you wanna
    argue the points, I'll be there Destee...

    Where pres. obama is concerned, you come onto the subject matter
    "off-topic".

    When you show, prove to me how this justifies being silent
    when it comes to criticizing a pres. I will address it.

    And you attempt to use that method of silencing
    all critics of pres. obama and not the issue. Sweet.
     
  10. Destee

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    Yeah ... whatever.

    If you don't like my responses, avoid my threads and posts.

    Quit "descending" in to talk to me. Real easy solution.

    :heart:

    Destee
     
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