with being active here is the approval of ridicule and sarcasm as acceptable forms of communicating here at Destee. It is my OVERstanding that ridicule and sarcasm are ALLOWED in this "family" at the same time Respect is demanded by all. This poses the most contradictory and dang sickening dichotomy around for me. I have been involved with watching and listening to people all my life and professionally @ 25 yrs. I have come to KNOW that "ridicule" and "sarcasm" are major forms of DISRESPECT, extremely harmful and a primary cause of many a conflictual interactions people of Afreekan Descent experience. A careful examination of the terms in question will likely shed light on what I see. Respect is esteem for, or a sense of the worth or excellence of, a person, a personal quality, ability, or a manifestation of a personal quality or ability. In certain ways, respect manifests itself as a kind of ethic or principle, such as in the commonly taught concept of "[having] respect for others" or the ethic of reciprocity. Esteem for, or a sense of the worth, or excellence, of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: I have great respect for her judgment. Deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges; proper acceptance or courtesy; acknowledgment: respect for a suspect's right to counsel; to show respect for the flag; respect for the elderly. Sarcasm is the use of sharp, cutting remarks or language intended to mock, wound, or subject to contempt or ridicule. It is first recorded in English in The Shepheardes Calender in 1579:Tom piper) An Ironical [Sarcasmus], spoken in derision of these rude wits, which make more account of a rhyming Rimbaud, then of skill grounded upon learning and judgment. —Edmund Spenser It comes from the ancient Greek σαρκάζω (sarkazo) meaning 'to tear flesh' but the ancient Greek word for the rhetorical concept of taunting was instead χλευασμός (chleyasmόs). Sarcasm appears several times in the Old Testament, for example: Lo, you see the man is mad; why then have you brought him to me? Do I lack madmen, that you have brought this fellow to play the madman in my presence? —Achish, king of Gath, I Sam 21:10-15 Hostile, critical comments may be expressed in an ironic way such as saying "don't work too hard" to a lazy worker. The use of irony introduces an element of humour which may make the criticism seem more polite and less aggressive but understanding the subtlety of this usage requires second-order interpretation of the speaker's intentions. This sophisticated understanding is lacking in people with brain damage, dementia and autism, and this perception has been located by MRI in the right parahippocampal gyrus. Understanding sarcasm is a very complicated process to grasp. It is considered to be one of the last and most advanced concepts for children to comprehend. It is usually not fully understood till the age of twelve and sometimes much later. In certain Ethiopic languages, sarcasm is indicated with a sarcasm mark, a character that looks like a backwards question mark at the end of a sentence, similar to Alcanter de Brahm's proposed irony mark (؟). Subtitles, such as in Teletext, sometimes use an exclamation mark in brackets to mark sarcasm: (!). Appeal to ridicule, also called the Horse Laugh, is a logical fallacy which presents the opponent's argument in a way that appears ridiculous, often to the extent of creating a straw man of the actual argument. For example: • If Einstein's theory of relativity is right, that would mean that when I drive my car it gets shorter and heavier the faster I go. That's crazy! (This is, in fact, true, but the effect is so minuscule a human observer will not notice.) • If the theory of evolution were true, that would mean that your great great great grandfather was a gorilla! (False, since the theory states that humans and gorillas evolved from a common early ancestor and clearly states evolution took many more than 5 generations.) This is a rhetorical tactic which mocks an opponent's argument, attempting to inspire an emotional reaction (making it a type of appeal to emotion) in the audience and to highlight the counter-intuitive aspects of that argument, making it appear foolish and contrary to common sense. This is typically done by demonstrating the argument's logic in an extremely absurd way or by presenting the argument in an overly simplified way, and often involves an appeal to consequences. Appeal to Ridicule is often found in the form of challenging one's credentials or maturity; • Nobody believes in objectivism after college! Grow up. The argument is ridiculed on the basis that having a view commonly associated with youth is somehow invalid. Other such fallacious arguments may include: • You haven't even graduated from college yet! Come back and talk to me when you have your Ph.D • It's funny you think you know so much about people, even though you're not a psychologist. • It's funny you think you know so much about money, even though you're not an economist. • He is not married, therefore he must not know anything about relationships! • She is not a parent, therefore she must not know anything about children! • She is not a man, therefore she must not know anything about men! • She is younger than I am, therefore she cannot know more than I do! • Don't like X? What's the matter? Too deep for you? You ae not a Christian and therefore your interpretation of the Bible is wrong Although they appear very similar, this fallacy should not be confused with reductio ad absurdum, which is a valid type of logical argument. It should also not be confused with ridiculing the person making the argument, which is a form of the ad hominem fallacy. I just don't under or over stand how and why ridicule and sarcasm are fair game yet asking questions or sharing information about another Religious belief system is disrespect. I've posted this because I have been telling Brother Clyde for several weeks now that I've had some thoughts on all the recent events. I'm not currently able to video so I've been working towards a written post. This is not the best I can do, yet, I wanted to say something without further delay and before I go away. I've been working on this for the past hour or so dealing with in house distractions and emotional winding down. It's been a looooonnnnnggggg day. I listen to constant sarcasm, ridiculing, demands of "proof" such that seems many are unable to hear each other and the end result is always emotional harm or denial of same. I can tell tho, when a person is working to hide there pain. I'm seeking a sanctity to at least have a break for the Word Wars and the pain inflicted. I fully overstand Brother Edward Williams and the Counter Racism works of Nelly Fuller's call for "Minimizing Contact to Minimize Conflict" and so .....you don't see or hear me much more around these parts. That's all I have to say for now. Thanks for listening to me share! M.E.