Black People : Mr Bill

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  1. jamesfrmphilly

    jamesfrmphilly going above and beyond PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I’m from the same generation as Bill Cosby.
    I was born and raised in west Philly and lived in the projects the same as he did. the main difference is that I’m still living in the ghetto and I will die in the ghetto.

    I’ve had a couple meetings with Cosby and found him to be a very nice and gentle man, like myself. (not every one from the streets has to be a thug)

    as I travel around the NE megalopolis, I often see sights that make me cry inside. many of the “lower economic level” people seem to have lost their minds entirely. some times I feel so ashamed when I see the young acting like wanabe hos and pimps.

    I understand why Cosby needed to vent. if I had a stage I’d vent to. I didn’t struggle and fight the civil rights battle for this mess!

    where I differ from Cosby is that I don’t blame the victims and I do take personal responsibility for what has happened.

    when the children are untrained, you look first to the parents and next to the village. Mr. Cosby and I and all of us of the older generation constitute the village that has failed these children. rather than point the finger, it’s time for Bill to take personal responsibility.

    we made a serious error when we integrated into White society and that is what we are paying for today. we were so anxious to integrate that we did not look hard enough at what we were integrating into. if you integrate into a cesspool, you will come up stinking.

    Black people had a set of core values that allowed us to survive the holocaust of slavery. they were pretty good values. in our rush to integrate we gave up our core values and embraced the values of the White society.
    those values are toxic to Black people.

    this is something that Bill Cosby did. we all did. this is not something that the “lower economic people” did. they inherited the results of our actions and they suffer from it.

    when you accept values such as "i got mine, now you get yours", such as “greed is good”, such as “Black capitalism”, such as “the end justifies the means”, when you embrace such filth, you are drinking poison!

    we are the ones who taught the children that the sneakers hold a higher value than the life of that person wearing the sneakers. we taught the children that consumer goods will make them happy. we did that Bill!

    now we look at the results of accepting bad values and we don’t like what we see. Cosby goes on a rant against “the lower economic people”. he had better use his money to set up a network of schools where the children can be taught the old values that stood by Black people for centuries.
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    hi james

    hi james :wave: :wave: & welcome 2 destee.

    i enjoyed ur essay & look 4ward 2 reading mor of them.

    again, welcome, i hope u like it here, & hope u will join us n voice chat rm when u hv time.

    :)
     
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    jamesfrmphilly,

    Well said, i think as you do and i'm sure Mr. Bill does too, regardless of what he said and how and where he said it. We are responsible for the state of our affairs and we need to stay about the business of acting responsibly in them.

    Hopefully more of us will stop selling our souls for psuedo "success", "fame", and the trappings of such etc.

    The problems we face will not simply disappear and we can't talk them away or just act like we are not a part of them. We've got to do as you suggested, use our resources to solve our problems.....

    Bill Cosby is a victim too even though he is a popular, famous victim with more resources at his personal disposal than most of us victims.....

    We victims have to use what is available to us to solve our problems and yes the folks he ragged on need to be doing more also......

    We are equal in our relative responsibilities, " From the one to whom much has been given much is expected" and porportionally all the way to the one with the least......


    Peace and Blessings
     
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    Very Well Said.
     
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    when i posted some comments on a forum that has White members, they all called me a racist.

    does my position strike anyone here as racist?
     
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    No...you strike me as a person who is passionate and concerned about the destiny of his people. However, I believe that any "victim" can rise to become a conqueror if he or she wants to. There were a lot of good parents who sucessfully passed their baton to their young. Bill Cosby was one of them and I bet you are one of them too. So I don't fault the whole generation. The older generation does bare responsibility to some extent, I must agree with you, but some of the birth of this "poison" comes from the youth's obsession with the lifestyle and philosophies of their celebrity peers. It is "popular" to be a thug now...a sloppy dressed person...a prisoner is a "persecuted warrior" not a criminal. Until we can remove these mindsets, they will only escalate. And it will have to be the young that wakes up in this case...cuz dey ain hearing us for the most part and most of us ain't communicating in a way that they WILL want to listen.
     
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    James,

    You hit the nail on the head when you said....

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    when the children are untrained, you look first to the parents and next to the village. Mr. Cosby and I and all of us of the older generation constitute the village that has failed these children. rather than point the finger, it’s time for Bill to take personal responsibility.
    I can tell you from personal experience, as a single mother of 4, how my village is failng me and my children everyday, not to mention the other youth who need caring people to step up and help guide them in the right direction. Nobody seems to care anymore. I struggle everyday to try and raise my children right and meet their basic needs. There's no father in the home, but there are plenty of men here who could take a little time out of their schedule to mentor to my son and other fatherless boys. There are women out there who can show these little girls who are trying to grow up too fast how to respect themselves. We all can take part in showing how to love one another but for some reason they wont and Don't???? I just have never understood that. So much crime could be wiped out if someone would take that lost child and show them the honor in working hard and the respect you feel from knowing you earned the things you own. We could put an end to teen pregnancy, drug use and black on black crime and so much other stuff......

    Even with my own responsibilities, I still manage to give time back to my community because I work with children in this community so I give back everyday.
    There's a foster child who attends the center I work at. She has had a troubled life but I want to adopt her because I feel like I can make a difference in her life. I feel we all have something positive we can offer this society to make it better. All it takes is effort and trust in God.

    To answer your question...No
     
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