Black People : More blacks jailed in England than US

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  1. MsInterpret

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    More black people jailed in England and Wales proportionally than in US

    Randeep Ramesh

    The proportion of black people in prison in England and Wales is higher than in the United States, a landmark report released today by the Equality and Human Rights Commission reveals.

    The commission's first triennial report into the subject, How Fair is Britain, shows that the proportion of people of African-Caribbean and African descent incarcerated here is almost seven times greater to their share of the population. In the United States, the proportion of black prisoners to population is about four times greater.

    The report, which aims to set out how to measure "fairness" in Britain, says that ethnic minorities are "substantially over-represented in the custodial system". It suggests many of those jailed have "mental health issues, learning disabilities, have been in care or experienced abuse".

    Experts and politicians said over-representation of black men was a result of decades of racial prejudice in the criminal justice system and an overly punitive approach to penal affairs.

    "People will be and should be shocked by this data," said Juliet Lyon, director of the Prison Reform Trust. "We have a tendency to say we are better than the US, but we have not got prison right."

    Lyon said that although there had been "numerous efforts to address racism in the prison system ? we have yet to get a better relationship between justice authorities and black communities. Instead we have ended up with mistrust breeding mistrust."

    Evidence of this damaged relationship can be found in the commission's report. On the streets, black people were subjected to what the report describes as an "excess" of 145,000 stop and searches in 2008. It notes that black people constitute less than 3% of the population, yet made up 15% of people stopped by police.

    The commission found that five times more black people than white people per head of population in England and Wales are imprisoned. The ethnic minority prison population has doubled in a decade ? from 11,332 in 1998 to 22,421 in 2008. Over a similar period, the overall number of prisoners rose by less than two thirds. The commission says that the total number of people behind bars accelerated in the last decade despite "a similar number of crimes being reported to the police as in the early 1990s ? the volume of indictable offences has fallen over this time".

    A quarter of the people in prison are from an ethnic minority. Muslims now make up 12% of the prison population in England and Wales.

    Some on the left of the Labour party blame its policies while in power. Diane Abbott, who raised the alarm over the growing numbers of jailed black men as a backbencher, said she "very much regretted that the last Labour government swallowed [former home secretary] Michael Howard's line that 'prison works'."

    "There was never a serious examination of the consequences of locking up a generation of young black men. The result is there are some prisons in the south east which are now virtually all black. Many are converting to Islam."

    The problems may start at school. The commission points out that black children are three times as likely to be permanently excluded from education.

    READ MORE: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/oct/11/black-prison-population-increase-england
     
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    not at all shocking or unexpected. This is what they do. It's what they have
    been doing to African people for hundreds of years. We are their greatest fear.
    Physically, Mentally and Spiritually... An African man with an exquisite physique
    ,sharp mind and a clear understanding of his spirituality, shakes them to their
    core. And they work day and night to kill us before we are ever produced..
    to isolate us.. to poison our minds.. to confuse our spirituality.. to control our
    physicality.. to interfere with our natural affinity for one another.. to passify
    our intellect.. to control our reproduction.. etc.. etc.. etc.. ​
     
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    Its true. Alot of African Americans probably think that we Blacks in England have it all good and cosey but its far from the truth. Only difference is African Americans were under harsher conditions because the law justified it

    In England there may not be a history of segregation by law but there is segregation in the way that some parts of England are extremely racist, very few blacks and these places are pretty reserved only for white people. You'll get the odd tom who slips in but other than that the same ills plague us that plague Black Americans.

    The nature of blacks in England is the same and as of recent there has been a large scale conversion of us to Islam. I guess they all feel Islam is doing something for them Christianity couldn't. We are starved of a knowledge of self out here. Blacks in England are so ignorant to whats going on but I believe out of all Black people around the world we relate to African American most.
     
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    I'm not surprised either.


    Even with all the Black entertainers and authors/poets and artists who left the States for Europe during Jim Crow, even they saw the racism in England and France and throughout Europe....No, there may not have been the KKK lynching and burning crosses but racism met them there as well.

    But at the time, it was the "lesser of two evils" for many.
     
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    I am glad this report came out so people can see the truth.
    Europeans always wanna act like they're so tolerant and Americans are so racist.
     
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    I mean no disrespect or ugliness but

    when I read the title
    of this post

    I tried to think of what Malcolm X , Dr Ben Jochanan, Dr John Henrik Clarke, Dr Francis Cress Welsing, Dr Neely Fuller, Dr Khalid Muhammed,

    and Dr. Amos Wilson, would have to say about this;

    When a person, of their own free will,
    leaves the Black nation of their people whether Caribbean or African,
    and rather then go through the struggle for a better life for all Black people in the nation of their birth,

    the way that Black folks did here in the USA as a minority
    during the Civil Rights struggle and the Black Power struggle

    but instead paid for an expensive boat ticket or plane ticket, or jet ticket

    to go thousands of miles

    and live
    amongst the people who had raped, enslaved mutilated and colonized

    their ancestors for 400 years

    and do this of their own volition



    What do they expect???????


    If you lay down with dogs,
    not only will you get fleas, you mite get rabies as well
     
  7. MsInterpret

    MsInterpret Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Where do you live Ankhur?

     
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    I am not a person, I am a computer program, loaded with the ideologies of Franz Fanon
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    and what planet or dimension are you from?
     
  9. MsInterpret

    MsInterpret Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    You're more like Windows 95

     
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