Black People Politics : Molecular Biology, "Blackness" and the Bible

[IPXninja]

Understood.

So where does science say humans come from? (My apologies, but I don't think you mentioned that. You noted humans and monkeys have a common ancestry but you didn't note where humans come from).

Thanks

Let's be careful here because believers are typically looking to be given all the answers from a writer who pretends to be omniscient. That's a problem because this omniscience doesn't prove itself out in any way shape or form. Still, since believers (mainly Christians and Muslims) have accepted their Creation myths they imagine that there has to be an opposite story told by science. This is NOT how science works.

The Theory of evolution does not cover the "origin of life". The theory of evolution stands on its own like 2+2=4. If someone else says 5 x 2 = 9 they would be wrong and that would have nothing to do with 2+2. We need to be clear about this because believers often try to attack evolution on the basis that it doesn't cover this question. It doesn't have to. Why? Because Evolution is not a replacement for "God". So it doesn't need to answer all your questions about the universe; just your questions about micro and macro evolution. I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm just making it very clear that Evolution is a whole theory unto itself. If you want to discuss the origins of life that's another subject involving other theories like "abiogenesis". And we can certainly discuss those theories. We just need to be very clear about it because it's not fair to science to accuse it of having 1 theory that explains everything. There are plenty of believers (all religions) who believe in God AND Evolution. It is only churches that attack Evolution because they take it as a threat to their belief in God that want to dismiss it entirely. But even though I do not believe in God (after 20 years of research and debate) I do know that if the Creation myth were true Evolution is a logical means for God to have created life because we can all see that every creature has DNA. And God could have programmed that DNA to change and adapt so that animals can not only adapt to their environment but, through mating, have children who are better at surviving. In other words, the benefits of Evolution are so compelling that it is hard for me to believe that an "Intelligent Designer" WOULDN'T use it. As a programmer myself, this is obvious to me.

Look at humans. Why do we look different? Are we different species? No. But we have moved to different parts of the globe and we can see how our DNA records these small adaptations. So the point is simply that you don't need to jump into atheism in order to buy into Evolution. Science isn't saying "God doesn't exist". It just doesn't have any evidence that God does exist.

Again, if you want to discuss abiogenesis or any other theory about the origins of life we can absolutely have that discussion.

 

[IPXninja]

Still waiting for a response ...




"However, again... that's not what science says. Science tells us that monkeys and humans have a common ANCESTOR. All animals do. That's why so much of our DNA is the same and that includes DNA errors." -- quote from IPXninja
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LOL. @Perfection As a graduate in Biology, humans and animals are not the same. The elements in this universe that are composed does not have much bearing on the uniqueness of monkeys in contrast and comparison to humans.

No matter how scientist say that the DNA of humans and monkeys are similar, I do not believe that you will ever see a monkey driving a car or building a house or flying an airplane. That is just not going to happen.

You are not going to see a half human/half gorilla today. You are not going to see a half human/half dog. You are not going to see a half dog/half anything... our DNA does not evolve. In order for that to occur, it would be a repetition. The East Michigan bacteria did not evolve. That is false. It went through what is called 'adaptation' not evolution. For this to occur, it would have to repeat.

1. No one said humans and animals were the same.
(although humans are classified as animals... things YOU should know)

As a "graduate in Biology" you should take the time to reason based on what people are actually saying. You seem to be struggling with this because of your own biases. Human bias is the absolute bane of Science. So it is interesting that you talk about "No matter how scientist" when you are excluding yourself as such, talk about "I do not BELIEVE".

2. Your beliefs are not relevant to science. That's the problem. Science is not about what we want to believe. It's about what we can prove. Science means "knowledge".

As such... again... and you seem confused about this, talking about half human half dogs (you seem to be losing it like Trump talking about Haitians dinner menus). Humans and Monkeys have a common ancestor. That doesn't mean monkeys are as smart as humans. You probably should have googled it rather than react based on your own understanding.

AI: Yes, humans and monkeys do share a common ancestor, but it's important to understand that humans did not evolve directly from monkeys; instead, they share a distant common ancestor with all primates, including monkeys, which lived millions of years ago; meaning humans are more closely related to apes like chimpanzees than to monkeys themselves.

See? This is where you're getting confused and AI knows how many people get confused on this point so it called it out specifically. This makes us distant relatives.

3. Driving cars? Again... you should google stuff before telling us your beliefs.




Now, is this driver as smart as an adult human? No. But humans have the benefit of organized education. Can toddlers drive better than this? We let toddlers try to drive us at Disney World. The answer is a definitive "NO".



4. Even our children have different outcomes in life depending on where they start and how much training they have. You can't say kid A is going to be able to do everything kid B can do just because they are the same species.

5. You said this obvious thing that shows you either don't understand common ancestry or you are just so biased that you're not thinking straight.

"In conclusion to this point; there is genetic proof of the most recent ancestors of Neanderthals but there is NO MONKEY genes in modern humans today! There is no such genetic proof of humans and monkeys having a modern ancestor! LOL."

why would there be "monkey" genes in modern humans? Again... No one said what you're arguing against. You're attacking a strawman.


6. Clearly, you have the obsession. You claim to be a graduate in Biology but can't recognize that Biology comes from the same intellectual sources as the theory of Evolution. Even if you graduated from the black panther school of Wakanda what you were taught doesn't make what anyone else learned to be a product of white supremacy any more than learning English is. But you think this was "pushed on us"? Your logic is flawed. Why would white people teach their own people the same thing while making the same education more expensive to keep it from more of us if what they were teaching were lies?

"IMO, that is just IXPninja believing it is truth because he has an obsession with White Supremacy and Colorism and whatever he has heard coming from WS movement and the kind of false rhetoric pushed on us that has nothing to do with proven genetics."

Again... this is your bias. Science doesn't work like that. It uses evidence and testing.



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[Perfection]

Look at humans. Why do we look different? Are we different species? No. But we have moved to different parts of the globe and we can see how our DNA records these small adaptations.

 

[IPXninja]

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Is there something I can help you understand better?


Do you understand the difference between Evolution and Abiogenesis? (I'm not trying to be funny. I'm only trying to help. I don't know what you know or don't know.)

 

[Perfection]

Is there something I can help you understand better?


Do you understand the difference between Evolution and Abiogenesis? (I'm not trying to be funny. I'm only trying to help. I don't know what you know or don't know.)

Trust, we'll get to all that momentarily. But in the meantime, stay focused, concentrate...I asked you a very simple question in post #24:

Where does science say humans come from?

Let me help you a bit. You can fill in the blank.

You start your response by writing "Science says humans come from..."

Your response here:

If you don't know how to fill in the blank, just say so and we can move on. But there's no way you can engage in a scientific/biological discussion regarding abiogenesis if you can't fill in the blank on a subject closely related to your own challenge.

I can teach you better about words if you are familiar with the alphabets.

I mean, you're the Google expert, non? You are an internet scholar. You get all of your info from the internet. So this question I put forth to you should be super easy.

Can you fill in the blank or not?