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Welcome...you raise some challenging ideas. Your insight is appreciated.
So, you support the idea that we come from monkeys?
Black People Politics : Molecular Biology, "Blackness" and the Bible
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So, you support the idea that we come from monkeys?
- May 7, 2009
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@IXPninja said:
"Unfortunately, there were no contradictions in my post and the government is not responsible for our disagreement. I did not attack you for being a Christian. And calling the creation myth in Genesis what it is, isn't an attack on you or on Christianity. "
Uh yes this government is responsible but you're safe as long as you don't challenge a non-Black person. You try this to someone else you won't get very far.
You have not provided any valid scientific references on this topic and thread and are only using your interpretation of what the ancient Biblical scriptures have published.
"Going back to Adam, there is no genetic proof of Adam."
" False. Sexual reproduction developed after asexual reproduction. We all have genetic features that indicate this."
" But they were here though? The bible says there was NOTHING HERE that wasn't "created by God".
The bible doesn't say that Eve fornicated with another being"
"It said that both Adam and Eve were naked because they were created that way. Their real Nakedness was shame.
LOL! You're hopeless. I'm done. But you do need to get some research references to help you better understand the word 'Naked' in context.
Nobody in the science world will give you any acknowledgment on your opinions because it is ridiculous. Even if you get a degree in any field of study, you have to provide professional references, otherwise, it would only be an opinion.
You won't find anywhere in scripture where it is mentioned that Satan was Created.
The Bible only gives Adam a date for his being created, not any other primitive beings.
You are attacking me about issues of religion, however, this thread is about
************ the Biology of Blackness *****************
i do not care about your opinions on your beliefs about anything except for this topic.
"Unfortunately, there were no contradictions in my post and the government is not responsible for our disagreement. I did not attack you for being a Christian. And calling the creation myth in Genesis what it is, isn't an attack on you or on Christianity. "
Uh yes this government is responsible but you're safe as long as you don't challenge a non-Black person. You try this to someone else you won't get very far.
You have not provided any valid scientific references on this topic and thread and are only using your interpretation of what the ancient Biblical scriptures have published.
"Going back to Adam, there is no genetic proof of Adam."
" False. Sexual reproduction developed after asexual reproduction. We all have genetic features that indicate this."
" But they were here though? The bible says there was NOTHING HERE that wasn't "created by God".
The bible doesn't say that Eve fornicated with another being"
"It said that both Adam and Eve were naked because they were created that way. Their real Nakedness was shame.
LOL! You're hopeless. I'm done. But you do need to get some research references to help you better understand the word 'Naked' in context.
Nobody in the science world will give you any acknowledgment on your opinions because it is ridiculous. Even if you get a degree in any field of study, you have to provide professional references, otherwise, it would only be an opinion.
You won't find anywhere in scripture where it is mentioned that Satan was Created.
The Bible only gives Adam a date for his being created, not any other primitive beings.
You are attacking me about issues of religion, however, this thread is about
************ the Biology of Blackness *****************
i do not care about your opinions on your beliefs about anything except for this topic.
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No, because that's not actually what the theory of evolution says. If it DID... then yes, I would support it. You know why? Because personal bias doesn't dictate reality. So if that was really the case and a monkey was my uncle then a monkey would be my uncle.
However, again... that's not what science says. Science tells us that monkeys and humans have a common ANCESTOR. All animals do. That's why so much of our DNA is the same and that includes DNA errors.
And that, for me, is the most compelling evidence. I'm sure you remember vinyl records. Do you remember how they used to get scratches? How probably would it be for 2 records to develop scratches in the exact same spots? This would be nearly impossible. Now consider 1 million records all having the same scratches. Definitely impossible.
DNA is not perfect. This may upset some believers because the whole idea of a magical creator is that he doesn't make mistakes (such as children with tails or other disfigurements or mutations). But when we put our holy books down and look at the real world around us and what's in it... how closely things look on the surface is nothing compared to how much of our DNA matches. And that tells a story that is far more credible than every holy book put together.
To do that story justice you can't alter it based on personal biases. The scientific method works because it rejects personal biases and tries to disprove them. So scientists aren't saying we're related to monkeys because monkeys are so adorable or because they look more like us. It's because of the story told by our DNA. We humans look different from each other but we're the same species. People in the same family look more alike while those who split off generations ago look very different. It's the same when you rewind the clock further back.
You can also look at the fact that evolution has been proven under lab conditions. This has been known for years. The study has been done with bacteria because bacteria reproduces at a fast enough pace to actually see evolution happen. And do different cultures have gained abilities that previous generations did not have. That is evolution. And that should be all the proof any rational mind needs.
Now... believers want to believe a different story and so they try to manipulate you into disbelieving science whenever it contradicts what they want to believe. They are the ones who say "came from monkeys". That's simply false. But they want people to think they have to believe that in order to believe the theory of evolution.
- Aug 21, 2012
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Understood.
So where does science say humans come from? (My apologies, but I don't think you mentioned that. You noted humans and monkeys have a common ancestry but you didn't note where humans come from).
Thanks
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Still waiting for a response ...
"However, again... that's not what science says. Science tells us that monkeys and humans have a common ANCESTOR. All animals do. That's why so much of our DNA is the same and that includes DNA errors." -- quote from IPXninja
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LOL. @Perfection As a graduate in Biology, humans and animals are not the same. The elements in this universe that are composed does not have much bearing on the uniqueness of monkeys in contrast and comparison to humans.
No matter how scientist say that the DNA of humans and monkeys are similar, I do not believe that you will ever see a monkey driving a car or building a house or flying an airplane. That is just not going to happen.
You are not going to see a half human/half gorilla today. You are not going to see a half human/half dog. You are not going to see a half dog/half anything... our DNA does not evolve. In order for that to occur, it would be a repetition. The East Michigan bacteria did not evolve. That is false. It went through what is called 'adaptation' not evolution. For this to occur, it would have to repeat.
You are not going to see a monkey or a gorilla communicating with a human verbally. This means that the difference is huge, matter how similar the scientist say the DNA is between monkeys and humans. I am going to give you an example of 'a common ancestor' based on genetic proof:
The MRCA [i.e. Most Recent Common Ancestor] of Neanderthals, scientist say is Denisovans. This means that both the Neanderthals and the Denisovans (dark skinned) hominids are the same an some earlier time period. So in other words, Neanderthals are simply Denisovans too, but for some reason, they became mutated and are not dark skinned like their ancestors, the Denisovans. And unlike the Denisovans, Neanderthals cannot reproduce to bare malefactors that are anatomically straight males. Unlike Denisovans, Neanderthals are either [were either] born intersexed or females, that's it. After the Denisovans disappeared off the earth, the Neanderthals that were intersexed could cause other Neanderthals to be born either intersexed or female and that's it. But the Denisovans that were here, could cause males to be born. But then soon, they disappeared.
FAST FORWARD to the presence of Modern Mankind, and today, scientist know that Neanderthal DNA is present in Modern Mankind. But not Denisovan DNA!!!
So therefore, Neanderthal DNA proves that some light skinned genes stem from modern humans of whom at some point intermixed with Neanderthals. But Denisovans who were dark skinned, their DNA does not show up in the genetics of any modern mankind.
In conclusion to this point; there is genetic proof of the most recent ancestors of Neanderthals but there is NO MONKEY genes in modern humans today! There is no such genetic proof of humans and monkeys having a modern ancestor! LOL.
IMO, that is just IXPninja believing it is truth because he has an obsession with White Supremacy and Colorism and whatever he has heard coming from WS movement and the kind of false rhetoric pushed on us that has nothing to do with proven genetics.
Another example of this kind of false obsession with White people and their racist beliefs pushed on us back in the 60s is the Monkey ABO blood group.
White racist pushed the false propaganda that Black Africans came from monkeys because we have the same blood group. Nevertheless, true scientist whether they are European or not, did not support that evil. All modern humans have the ABO Blood group, however, the racist hatred and movement came about due to the recent scientific finding about the 'Rh factor' that caused racist to try and deflect a scientific fact. All humans of African descent do not have the 'Rh negative factor' but have the Rh positive factor. But ever so often, this Rh- does show up in White Europeans. So when a female with the Rh- becomes pregnant with a father that is Rh+, she has to undergo a lot of testing to protect the unborn fetus. Because mostly all modern humans have the ABO blood group and the Rh+, then only racist White people put out false stories about Africans and monkeys having a common ancestor to deflect the modern finding about the rh- factor that only shows up in the White races at times.
So therefore, this thread about biology and the bible is crucial because it will shed light on how 'blackness' and melanin does affect the modern human 'race' because without the bible, you will not understand how White Supremacy has led many to put out lies about humans today as oppose to the primitive mankind.
The rh(-) Negative factor is not part of 'black DNA'! However when early humans intermixed with primitive humans, this issue came about. A female with the rh- factor's baby would immediately abort because the rh+ father's blood became poison to the fetus. The females body would immediately develop antibodies that was passed into her placenta and cause the fetus to abort. And this DNA material will remain with the female even if she became pregnant again with the rh+ father and affect the second male fetus.
The Rh-negative blood type can pose risks during pregnancy,
including increasing the risk of miscarriage or stillbirth in the
second or third trimester. Nowadays, women with a negative blood
group are preventively given the Rho GAM injection, to reduce the risk involved.
... If you are Rh-negative and your baby is Rh-positive, there is a high chance
that your body will develop antibodies to protect itself from its perceived
'foreign body'. This can be harmful to your baby and potentially lead to pregnancy loss.
www.cloudninefertility.com
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MRCA
Analysis of the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of the finger bone showed it to be genetically distinct from the mtDNAs of Neanderthals and modern humans. Subsequent study of the nuclear genome from this specimen suggests that Denisovans shared a common origin with Neanderthals, that they ranged from Siberia to Southeast Asia, and that they lived among and interbred with the ancestors of some modern humans. A comparison with the genome of a Neanderthal from the same cave revealed significant local interbreeding with local Neanderthal DNA representing 17% of the Denisovan genome, while evidence was also detected of interbreeding with an as yet unidentified ancient human lineage.
www.rj-robbins.com
"However, again... that's not what science says. Science tells us that monkeys and humans have a common ANCESTOR. All animals do. That's why so much of our DNA is the same and that includes DNA errors." -- quote from IPXninja
_______________________________________
LOL. @Perfection As a graduate in Biology, humans and animals are not the same. The elements in this universe that are composed does not have much bearing on the uniqueness of monkeys in contrast and comparison to humans.
No matter how scientist say that the DNA of humans and monkeys are similar, I do not believe that you will ever see a monkey driving a car or building a house or flying an airplane. That is just not going to happen.
You are not going to see a half human/half gorilla today. You are not going to see a half human/half dog. You are not going to see a half dog/half anything... our DNA does not evolve. In order for that to occur, it would be a repetition. The East Michigan bacteria did not evolve. That is false. It went through what is called 'adaptation' not evolution. For this to occur, it would have to repeat.
You are not going to see a monkey or a gorilla communicating with a human verbally. This means that the difference is huge, matter how similar the scientist say the DNA is between monkeys and humans. I am going to give you an example of 'a common ancestor' based on genetic proof:
The MRCA [i.e. Most Recent Common Ancestor] of Neanderthals, scientist say is Denisovans. This means that both the Neanderthals and the Denisovans (dark skinned) hominids are the same an some earlier time period. So in other words, Neanderthals are simply Denisovans too, but for some reason, they became mutated and are not dark skinned like their ancestors, the Denisovans. And unlike the Denisovans, Neanderthals cannot reproduce to bare malefactors that are anatomically straight males. Unlike Denisovans, Neanderthals are either [were either] born intersexed or females, that's it. After the Denisovans disappeared off the earth, the Neanderthals that were intersexed could cause other Neanderthals to be born either intersexed or female and that's it. But the Denisovans that were here, could cause males to be born. But then soon, they disappeared.
FAST FORWARD to the presence of Modern Mankind, and today, scientist know that Neanderthal DNA is present in Modern Mankind. But not Denisovan DNA!!!
So therefore, Neanderthal DNA proves that some light skinned genes stem from modern humans of whom at some point intermixed with Neanderthals. But Denisovans who were dark skinned, their DNA does not show up in the genetics of any modern mankind.
In conclusion to this point; there is genetic proof of the most recent ancestors of Neanderthals but there is NO MONKEY genes in modern humans today! There is no such genetic proof of humans and monkeys having a modern ancestor! LOL.
IMO, that is just IXPninja believing it is truth because he has an obsession with White Supremacy and Colorism and whatever he has heard coming from WS movement and the kind of false rhetoric pushed on us that has nothing to do with proven genetics.
Another example of this kind of false obsession with White people and their racist beliefs pushed on us back in the 60s is the Monkey ABO blood group.
White racist pushed the false propaganda that Black Africans came from monkeys because we have the same blood group. Nevertheless, true scientist whether they are European or not, did not support that evil. All modern humans have the ABO Blood group, however, the racist hatred and movement came about due to the recent scientific finding about the 'Rh factor' that caused racist to try and deflect a scientific fact. All humans of African descent do not have the 'Rh negative factor' but have the Rh positive factor. But ever so often, this Rh- does show up in White Europeans. So when a female with the Rh- becomes pregnant with a father that is Rh+, she has to undergo a lot of testing to protect the unborn fetus. Because mostly all modern humans have the ABO blood group and the Rh+, then only racist White people put out false stories about Africans and monkeys having a common ancestor to deflect the modern finding about the rh- factor that only shows up in the White races at times.
So therefore, this thread about biology and the bible is crucial because it will shed light on how 'blackness' and melanin does affect the modern human 'race' because without the bible, you will not understand how White Supremacy has led many to put out lies about humans today as oppose to the primitive mankind.
The rh(-) Negative factor is not part of 'black DNA'! However when early humans intermixed with primitive humans, this issue came about. A female with the rh- factor's baby would immediately abort because the rh+ father's blood became poison to the fetus. The females body would immediately develop antibodies that was passed into her placenta and cause the fetus to abort. And this DNA material will remain with the female even if she became pregnant again with the rh+ father and affect the second male fetus.
The Rh-negative blood type can pose risks during pregnancy,
including increasing the risk of miscarriage or stillbirth in the
second or third trimester. Nowadays, women with a negative blood
group are preventively given the Rho GAM injection, to reduce the risk involved.
... If you are Rh-negative and your baby is Rh-positive, there is a high chance
that your body will develop antibodies to protect itself from its perceived
'foreign body'. This can be harmful to your baby and potentially lead to pregnancy loss.
Did I Miscarry Because I'm Rh-Negative?
www.cloudninefertility.com
MRCA
Analysis of the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of the finger bone showed it to be genetically distinct from the mtDNAs of Neanderthals and modern humans. Subsequent study of the nuclear genome from this specimen suggests that Denisovans shared a common origin with Neanderthals, that they ranged from Siberia to Southeast Asia, and that they lived among and interbred with the ancestors of some modern humans. A comparison with the genome of a Neanderthal from the same cave revealed significant local interbreeding with local Neanderthal DNA representing 17% of the Denisovan genome, while evidence was also detected of interbreeding with an as yet unidentified ancient human lineage.
