Black Spirituality Religion : MESSAGE TO ALL BLACK MUSLIMS BY OBADIYAH YSRAYL

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  1. High Priest

    High Priest Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Shalom to all the SEEKERS OF TRUTH, RIGHTEOUSNESS, JUSTICE AND FREEDOM.
    A special shalom (peace) goes out to those Hebrew-Israelites who have chosen to follow the second largest religion in the world, ISLAM. This heart felt letter is to you my people.

    What I would like to do is present some information about Islam, and its Prophet Muhammad. You may or may not be familiar with this. The information I will present is related to all forms of Islam, from The Nation Of Islam to the Moorish Science Temple of America to Orthodox. All forms of Islam can be traced back to its originator / founder, which history tells us is the "Prophet" Muhammad Ibn Adullah. Prior to the 7th century C.E. there wasn't a religion on earth called Islam or a people called Muslims.
    That's the facts, even if you proclaim that Islam means "submission to God", by name and practice there was not a religion called Islam until the 7th Century of the common era.


    Muhammad is the central figure of Islam. That's why It's ultra important for us to understand who he was before we start to profess his faith.

    Muslims make up about 6% of the U.S. population. The majority of those who are converting to this faith are our people, the so called "African American". Many of you have gravitated toward Islam (in its many forms) in flocks, for different reasons.

    Some of you have choose to join because "you believe Islam is your Heritage", others have joined because you believe Islam is the true faith. A great majority of you have joined, because you were told Islam is the black man's religion and the prophet Muhammad was a black man. Many of you without doing much research are conned into believing this. But the truth is, Islam is not the black man's religion, (meaning it wasn't founded by black people, Doesn't have black prophets or a black God), the "prophet" Muhammad was not a black man, as a matter of fact his attitude toward black people is no different than that of the white Christian slave masters (Muhammad also owned "black" slaves). Islam is not the faith of Abraham or Moses. In this first letter to you, Muslims, I will deal with the Islamic group known as the Nation of Islam (NOI). In proceeding letters I will address the Moorish -Americans and Islam in General.
    First let me prove that Muhammad was not a black man, he was WHITE, it is written in the Hadith (The Hadith is a collection of writing about Muhammad's every day life, these were written by people who knew and followed him. The Hadith can be called Islam version of the Gospels because it tells of Muhammad life and teachings)
    In Hadith no.63,vol 1, it says: "When a man arrived at the mosque, he asked, "who amongst you is Muhammad?" The companions of the prophet replied "THIS WHITE MAN RECLINING ON HIS ARM".
    In Hadith no.122, vol 2 and in vol 2 Hadith no. 141, when Muhammad raised his arms in prayer, it tells us that 'The WHITENESS of his armpits became visible". The Hadith vol 1, no. 367 tells us that Anas, one of Muhammad's trusted companions "saw the WHITENESS of the penis of Allah's prophet".
    My brother or sister if you converted to Islam because you were told by other Muslims that Muhammad was a "black" man, you have been led away from the truth and become a Muslim by lies and deception. The fact remains that Muhammad was not black as many have been told.
    Next Muhammad was a owner of "black" slaves
    In Hadith no.436, vol 6, It says: when Umar came to visit Muhammad, he saw a "BLACK SLAVE OF ALLAH'S APOSTLE sitting on the first step" Ibn Qayyim alJawiyya, a great Muslim historian, wrote in his famous book Zad al-Ma'ad (part 1 pg 160): "Muhammad had many male and female slaves. He used to buy and sell them, but he purchased more than he sold, especially after God empowered him by his message, as well as after his immigration from Mecca. He once sold one black slave for two. His name was Jacob al-Mudbir".
    He also gives us the names of Muhammad black slaves on pgs 114-116, which were:
    Bilal, Abu Hurairah, Usamah Ebn Zaayed, and Rabbah were just a few of the black slaves of Muhammad.
    The most famous slave market in Muhammad's day was the slave market in Mecca. Many "blacks" (Hebrews) were stolen from African villages and were auction off like cattle in the same manner as they were in the America's. I must mention here that it was the Arab Muslims that introduce the white European Christians to capturing and selling's "blacks" (Hebrews) on the west coast of Africa, that's why there is similarity between the Arab enslavement of Hebrews ("blacks") in the so called Mid-East and the Christian enslavement of Hebrews ("Blacks") in the west).
    Muhammad also mistreated his 'Hebrew slaves". He also said "That if you dreamed of a "black" woman, this was an evil omen (Hadith no 9, vol,162,163). He also referred to black people as "raisin heads" (Hadith no.662, vol 1).
    Many believe that Arabs are still buying and selling black slaves today. In the Sudan, Muslims slave markets has been revived as blacks in chains from the Dinka Tribe are now being auctioned off to Muslim masters. In Arabic the common word for black is "Abd" which also means "slave".
    IS ISLAM FOR THE BLACK MAN AND WOMAN?
    After knowing this how could Noble Drew Ali, Elijah Muhammad, Minister Farrakhan and others bring Islam to our People. This is a great disservice, what is the difference between how the European Christians slave masters treated our people, and the way the Arabs (Muhammad in particular) treated us. The nation of Islam says the doctrine of the Christians is false, they say that Black Christians have been tricked into believing in a white god. They also say that, Christianity is white supremacy and the doctrine of God (or a God) coming in the body of man is false. I will admit that I agree with some of that (I'm neither Christian nor Muslim). But the nation of Islam worship a white god in the "form of a man" named Fard Muhammad.
    As much as Farrakhan would like to believe the doctrine of the NOI is liberating to the black (Hebrew) man, it's not. Why do you bash the Christians for believing the Christian god ("JESUS") came in the form of a man. When you say and believe your god Allah came into the body of a White man named Fard Muhammad. You teach and believe Fard is the greatest god of all. According to your doctrine Fard father was an original black god and he mated with a white woman, a pure Caucasian. Fard says that one black god created the moon, and another black god created the heavens, and the earth. Fard said there were 24 gods known as scientist, these gods existed before him. One of them was his father, "Master Wali Fard", He said all the Knowledge of the previous gods was embodied in himself and he was the greatest god there ever was. (Elijah Muhammad, "Our Savior has arrived" pg 96)
    Fard said there were 24 black gods and he a white god was the greatest ever. Doesn't this sound like the same white supremacy you hear with the Christians? Christians also believe their white god is the greatest of all time. Lets look at the facts. Fard was a white man He didn't look like us as you can tell by his picture. He looks like a straight haired sharp featured Caucasian with pale white skin. And he says he is the greatest of all the other (black) gods. Look at the similarity of the NOI god and Christian god:
    (Note: THE WHITE CHRISTIAN CHRIST "JESUS" IS NOT THE SAME OR HAVE ANY RELATIONS TO THE HISTORICAL YAHOSHUA THE HEBREW MESSIAH)
    Both are WHITE SKINNED GENTILES,
    Both claim to be gods,
    Both the NOI and Christians say their WHITE SKINNED god is a savior,
    Both the NOI and Christians devote a special day once a year to the so called birth of their gods. The NOI day is called "Saviors" Day, Christians celebration is called Christmas.
    Both gods "incarnated" into the body of white men, this can be found in the NOI newspaper the Final Call. On the last page of every Final Call it gives 12 statements of what the NOI believe, number 12 says:

    12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited messiah of the Christians and the Mahdi of the Muslims. (interesting note the NOI says Fard Muhammad is the messiah of the Christians; the messiah of the Christians is Jesus...is the NOI telling us their white god Fard is also the same as the white Christian Christ?).
    One critical point that must not be overlooked is this. The doctrine Fard Muhammad brought to Elijah Muhammad, is nothing but the so called secret knowledge. This information was present in the ancient mystery schools, such as the mystery schools in Babylon, Egypt, Greece, and Rome Etc. This knowledge is present in the upper levels of the Masonic lodge and other satanic secret societies. Fard's knowledge of the gods is nothing but the stories of the fallen angels. (More information about the fallen angels will be coming soon).
    I don't want this to sound like I'm caught up on race but the truth of this matter has to be told. My point of going into a little of the NOI doctrine is to show you that, no matter how you try to make Islam into the black man's religion with black gods and prophets, you can't. Islam is a slave making religion, it's effects on black people in the Americas and Africa is no different than the effect Christianity had on us. Many of the brothers and sisters in Africa were forced to convert to Islam just as we were forced to convert to Christianity. Muslim Arabs (including Muhammad) were our first slave masters and Islam was our first slave masters religion.

    If anyone is offended by what I have written, so be it. And if there is anybody out there who is thinking about becoming Islamic or any other religion for that matter; do the research look at the doctrine and history of that group. See if you can find any truth in what they are saying. Don't let family traditions, emotions, smooth words or false histories sway you into something that you might regret later on. Part 2 of this open letter is coming.

    www.hebrewisraelites.org

    Bless you all
     
  2. Moorfius

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    Spirituality is the Essence of Creator and that is all we ever needed*

    Hotep

    We must read, read and read some more and then travil, travil and travil some more and maybe then more of this generation will learn the "Truth" about "All" so-called "Religions" that have only come about in recent time in compareison to the "Time" the Original so-called Black people have been on this Planet. We are "All" born with every thing we need...in the absolute same "Fabric" of "Spirituality" Created by the Creator G-d. Spirituality is not any Riligion and to call Spirituality Religion is a "Evil" thing...because "All" Religions are made up by men for "Croud-Control" over the masses. Religion is nothing more than mass "Confusion" hence...the reason for "War, Slavery, Greed, Invasions, Oprssion of the Woman...all for the selfish power hungry Invaders who brought their made up Concocted and fabricated Sanctified Racist Religions with them to Spoil, Trick and Hoodwink the inocent Children into beleaving a "Lie". Spirituality is what we are concerned with...there has never been any war fought for, about Spirituality...All wars and Invasion have been by those who bring their False Religions with them and force it on others so that they can be looked up too and not any Creator.

    Ase`

    http://thetruthcenter.com/page/lj3/Listener_Registration__Purchases___amp__Contributions.html
    http://www.theearthcenter.com/

    Note: Any Religion that realagates the "Woman" to a "Inferior" position is "Absolutely" "False and there is no redeeming value in it what so ever...at best it is Confusion, Ignorance and Slavery for those who Follow any man made Concocted Religion. The Creator did not Create Religion after giveing us birth through Spirituality as every thing else is in the known Universe...Think...Reason...Wake-Up and know you Self.
     
  3. spicybrown

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    Do you have any substantial proof that Master Fard Muhammad was a whiteman? The picture I saw depicted him as being somewhat tanned, and having not-so-fine facial features:

    http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l32/spicybrown/MasterFardMuhammad.gif



    How has the NOI doctrine or ideals stagnated the progress of Black folks?


    Can you find any significant loopholes in The Honorable Elijah Muhammad's Teachings?

    That alone is sad. Were they forced to adhere the NOI version of Islam? Nobody is being forced to accept NOI. That is an indicator of the authencity of a true salvation via (religion); whether or not you are FORCED or THREATENED into submission. My observation.

    PEACE
     
  4. jamesfrmphilly

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    this is not logical. people do many things without overt force.
    the absence of force, alone, does not validate their actions.
     
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    Well, we all have choices, and we are living in the information age. Unless you are literally retarded NO one is forcing anything down your throat. I understand there are many naive folks out there, but ultimately the CHOICE is ours to accept or reject a religion
     
  6. Omowale Jabali

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    You state that "Muslims Arabs (including Muhammad) were our first slave masters and Islam was our first slave masters religion."

    wow!

    So then, does this negate the "biblical" account of the Hebrew's bondage in "Egypt". Isn't it true that "hebrews",according to the "Bible" were "enslaved" in "Egypt" during the Ramesid period?

    What was the "religion" of the "Egyptians" during the ramesid period?

    You speak of folks being "conned" and a "lack of research".

    Have you ever heard of MANSA MUSA?

    Or Sankore University at Timbuctoo?

    Was this an institution built by "white men"?

    Who were the "Moors" who ruled Spain from 711-1492? Were these also "white men" who built the "Alhambra" where "jews", "christians" and "muslims" alike studied and worshipped in Al-Andulus?

    Can you name a comparable center of learning in the "Black World" as Sankore or the Alhambra that Black "hebrews"?

    Furthermore, can you name a black "Hebrew" organization in the "New World" that has had a more profound impact in organizing Black people than the NOI or Moorish Science Temple?

    Does the NOI support the terrorist state of "Israel" which supported the apartheid Afrikaner settler-colonial regime in Azania (South Africa)?

    Answering all the above involves some "research" as did the process of asking such questions.

    NOI or "Hebrew-Israelite. In regards to socio-political consciousness is it even a fair comparison in regards to who has had a more profound impact on "Black America"?

    Malcolm X alone was more influential on world-wide African consciousness, political and spiritual than any "Hebrew" since Jesus!
     
  7. Omowale Jabali

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    Let us further briefly examine the "Biblical" account itself.

    Is it not thre that the so-called progenitor of the "Arab" race is considered to be "Ishmael"?

    "Ishmael" was the son of "Abraham" a "Hebrew" and an "Egyptian bondswoman" or "concubine" named Hagar, who is referenced as "Hagar the Egyptian".

    Therefore the progenitor of the "Arab" race is a "Hebrew-Egyptian" whose mother was held in "bondage" by the "Hebrew" Patriarch of which Muslims trace their ancestral lineage.

    Furhtermore, Abraham also birthed children to Keturah, who was an "Ethiopian" concubine. Thus, both Egyptian and Ethiopian were held in "bondage" by a Hebrew Patriarch and Prophet.

    Yet, you propose that "slavery" was created by "Arabs" some 2,000 years later??!!

    Now I fully understand why "Hebrews" trace their lineage back to "Seth".
     
  8. SAMURAI36

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    What I find laughable, is that the HEBREW ISRAELITES (or whatever term they go by these days) are attacking people based on the very things that they themselves should be admonished for.

    I'm not here to defend the NOI or Islam in general; the adherents to this system(s) are more than capable of doing this for themselves--and have done so on numerous occasions.

    What I wish to comment on, are the errors in theology appropo, on the part of whomever created this Epistle to Black people.

    #1) Firstly, for a Hebrew (or anyone else who adheres to the Abrahamic legacy) to speak about the geneology in such a careless manner shows a gross level of a lacking of Biblical (and other aspects of) knowledge.

    Prophet Muhammad was an Arab, from the Tribe of Qur'aysh. This tribe is a sub-tribe from Saba, in southern Arabia. Saba is an Ethiopian province, dating back to the days of the Queen of Sheba.

    If Muhammad is a true descendant of these people, then he was most certainly far from being a white man.

    #2) Biblically, Arabs are descendants of Abraham, by way of his first born Ishmael. Ishmael was the product of his Father, and an Egyptian woman. (Does anyone here contest that the Egyptians are Black?? )

    If any aspect of this Biblical tale is true, then we should conclude that Ishmael, and thereby any of his descendants (all the way to Muhammad) should be at least "Mulatto" in appearance.

    But lo! Hebrew Israelites claim that Abraham himself was a Black man as well.

    Therefore:

    Black man (Abraham) + Black woman (Hagar) = Black child (Ishmael).

    So then, where are they getting that Muhammad was white? What this boils down do, is that if MUHAMMAD was white, then so was ABRAHAM. And thus, the Hebrews offer nothing any better than what they claim the Muslims offer.

    Ah but the plot thickens:

    #3) Regarding the Hadith:

    Most people (both Muslim and non-Muslim alike do not know that the HADITH is a very questionable document. It consists of volumes upon volumes of "sayings" (that is what "Hadith" means), where people were alleged reporting things that the Prophet Muhammad was supposed to have said and done.

    The problem with this is:

    *Many of the "sayings" contradict other "sayings" from other volumes.

    *Many of the "sayings" contradict what Prophet Muhammad himself has stated within the Qur'an (the Qur'an is the only document that the Prophet wrote himself, and therefore anything else should be seen as questionable.)

    *The very nature ans structure of these "sayings" is suspect:
    Why would anyone with an independent, functioning brain take a statement that begins with:

    "Abdullah heard Raheed say that he heard Ahmed say that he heard Hussain say that he heard the Propet say such-n-such..."

    In modern day times, from the secular view, this would be regarded as nothing more than hear-say or :gossip: ........Certainly nothing to be taken as a Gospel or truth.

    However, I mentioned earlier that no person in their right mind would take these "sayings" as such....But unfortunately there are many in the Muslim world that do.

    What is all the more unfortunate, is that the writer of this letter is attempting to play off of this in a very manipulative way.

    This is a very misleading statement, especially in consideration of the further manipulation of statements.

    The problem here lies in the fact that many people do not know that the Sudan is almost 99% Black African, and that nearly all of these Africans are Muslims.

    Therefore, Any Muslim that is holding an African as a slave, is also an African himself.

    Thus, we see the same thing in modern times, that we have seen in ancient times: Blacks holding other Blacks in servitude for various reasons.

    This is no different that the ZULU holding various smaller neighboring tribes, or the ASANTI doing the very same.

    Nor is it any different than the Kemetians allegedly holding slaves in ancient Kemet.

    The writer is attempting to steer the reader (whom the former assumes that the latter is uninformed) to believe that slavery is always a racial thing, which it is not.

    Now see, not only is this grossly incorrect, it's also downright STUPID.

    Anyone can take the time to learn a different language.

    The term "ABD" does not mean "Black", nor does it mean "slave".

    The proper word for "Black" in Arabic is aswad or sawdā'. Again, this can be very easily researched:

    http://lexicorient.com/babel/arabic/12d.htm

    If this is the best that the Hebrew Israelites have, then they should not be showing their faces in academic circles (which they rarely do anyway).


    PEACE
     
  9. ANUK_AUSAR

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    SAM:

    True indeed, it seems that most Hebrew Israelites are more concerned with buffing up the numbers of their congregations with racial rhetoric than dealing with actual facts.

    Did you get my e-mail?
     
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    Not yet....I'm having troubles with my personal e-mail (no access to check it).

    Can you think of another way we can exchange math?

    HOTEPU
     
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