Black People : Merry Christmas or Happy Kwanzaa??

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  1. free2b_me

    free2b_me Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    So what are you doing this holiday season? Are you still celebrating Christmas, or are doing Kwanzza instead, and why? I have never celebrated Kwanzaa, even though I'm very interested in learning more about it. However, as the years roll in and out, I'm finding my discontent for the traditional Christmas more and more overwhelming. I'm tired of the sales, the being broke at the end of the year, buying gifts for folks who don't even appreciate the thought. I feel like what is the real meaning behind this commercial holiday anyway? Why are we still celebrating it when the true meaning is lost in the translation of the sales paper? Someone please, throw me a life vest....:SuN048:
     
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    I have done the Xmas thing a couple times in my youth - but the concept of Xmas is just ridiculous (to me) and as an adult I just I enjoy the time off work :lol: and it is a time of gathering for friends/family etc as we have time to be together, everyone at the same time, as massa allows ;) The mere fact that Kwanzaa is celebrated during Xmas makes me question it's true intent.. it seems to be just something to rebel against the Xmas/white/Xtian thing. I dont know much about it, I was once nearly beheaded in chat for being ignorant about it ;) but I DO know all about the season of thankfulness and appreciation of family/community and have celebrated it most of my life, and that is in spring and again during the harvest - not the during the height of summer (which is where Xmas falls in sub-saharah). I cannot imagine obeying the system of being told what period of the year I should be buying stuff for people and being thankful :lol: too funny.

    I get a number of days per year off work and some of them I have no idea what they mean - but I enjoy the time off work. Xmas is no exception. Days off that actually mean something to me, personally, I'll take off work to celebrate. I am not easily swayed by public opinion/pressure.

    Good luck on your quest for answers
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  3. Bootzey

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    This is my 1st year as an official Non-Christian. Not doing Christmas is really freaking me out. But my parents always celebrated Kwanzaa. It was a nice change after all the craziness that comes with Christmas. My mother said she brought it home because although she wanted us to be involved with all Christmas can offer she needed something to keep us didtracted during the school break. She said the more we observed it the more meaning it took on for us. Yes we had the explosive Christmas celebration, then we toned downed to the more reflective family oriented Kwanzaa observance. And Mommie liked that it ended on New years. That tied in with watchnight.

    I still plan to observe Kwanzaa this year.
     
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    As a child...

    My parents celebrated Christmas every year. As an adult my ex-husband and I celebrated Christmas with are son and daughter every year until they were about 8 or 10, and then we didn’t go all out anymore.

    Each year Christmas became less and less significant. In fact this year as far as the gift giving part of it(for me) it will quietly come and go. However, I will gladly participate in the family gathering. Its what I always enjoyed the most about Christmas anyway.

    Something that always baffle me is the way folks can be so thoughtful, caring, happy and full of seasons greetings cheer, and then on January 2nd transform into the complete opposite. It takes the realness out of it. I wish people could be the same, full of cheer all year round!

    Anywhoooo,
    Whatever you celebrate I wish each and every one of you a safe and happy season celebration!


    MaddSistahlyLove!
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    now that i'm a adult and my mind has matured I am coming to realize what is truth,ritual,and paganisim.well to make a long story short i do christmas for the decoration and fun that seems to excite my little girl other than that there will be no lies about a santa clause getting the credit for my hard earned cash,no lies about this being jesus b-day either just a day that will soon taper off as she get older to understand life.you want catch me breaking the bank going into debt over this manmade bs.
     
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    I do both. I do Christmas (despite the commercialism) as a traditional thing. I do Kwanzaa because it is good to enter into the New Year mindful of spiritual principles to observe.

    The Nguzo Saba (seven priniciples) and the day each principle should be observed are as follows:

    Umoja (Unity) - December 26
    Kujichagulia (Self-determination) - December 27
    Ujima (Collective Work and Responsibility) - December 28
    Ujamaa (Co-operative Economics) - December 29
    Nia (Purpose) - December 30
    Kuumba (Creativity) - December 31
    Imani (Faith) - January 1

    Whichever holiday you observe, may you have good times, and create good memories!
     
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    I can't even rembmer the last time I did Christmas, let alone brought a Christmas Tree... I can't even explain how lovely it is to keep my 40-60 dollars in my pocket instead of buying a tree. Let alone do I even remember doing Christmas shopping.

    I am telling you, I sure do love being free of Christmas bondage.




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    I WANNA FEEL SOME KIND OF CONNECTION

    I WANNA BE IN THE HOLIDAY SPIRITS THIS YEAR, I REALLY DO. DESPITE THE FACT, THE TRADITIONAL STUFF IS KINDA WEARIN THIN. I JUST DON'T FEEL NOTHING.. IS THIS NORMAL? I MEAN, IT FEELS LIKE JUST ANOTHER DAY.. MOST OF MY FAMILY IS GONNA GO VISITING OTHER PEOPLE AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS MYSELF. (OTHER THAN THE NEW COMPUTER I PLAN ON BUYIN MYSELF) I DONT FEEL LIKE COOKIN OR WRAPPIN, OR BUYIN NOTHIN.. I THINK THIS IS SOME KIND OF SPIRITUAL REBELION GOING ON. IT'S DEEPER THAN THE SURFACE EVEN THOUGH I CAN'T REALLY DESCRIBE WHAT I'M FEELING... OH WELL, I GUESS THIS WILL BE A YEAR IN THE BOOKS GONE UNNOTICED..
     
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    THANXX FOR THIS INSIGHT. I WILL BE CHECKIN OUT KWANZAA FOR NEXT YEAR..
     
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    Hey Free2b_me, you not alone, baby! A lot of folks feel this way at this time of the year. It is easy to get the holiday blues! I don't know about you, but usually around this time, I have overspent and overate; I've overworked, and I'm overtired. In addition it's hard not to get a little depressed with all the bad economic news swirling around. Then with all this build up toward just one day--when it gets here, comes, and goes--well, it can be kinda anticlimatic.

    Kwanzaa helps with that because it is seven days. Whatever the principle is for the day, that is the theme of that nights celebration. Kwanzaa is a time of introspection and "outrospection." My birthday happens to fall in there on the 27th, the day of Kujichagulia (KEE-GEE-CHAG-OO-LIA)--the day of self-determinination. A day where I am challenged to define myself, for myself.
    So its a day when I review the year, what did I do good? where did I fall down? What can i improve?--for me, and for my community.

    Usually at a Kwanzaa celebration, we acknowledge the oldest person in the room and the youngest person in the room--wisdom and strength (or innocence.) Both the elders and the youth are our future, if you think about it. The last day is Imani (faith). I like the idea of moving into the New Year with faith. That works for me.

    Whichever the celebration, it's all about the children. Not getting them the biggest, and the bestest, and the mostest,--but in creating memories and traditions for them to carry forward with. If you are doing any of that stuff that comes with Christmas, enlist them. My daughter wraps all the presents except her own. (I do all the bows, and gift bags.) She also addresses all Christmas cards, cause she has a pretty hand writing (cursive) That's traditional for us (Hey, it works for me!) Don't get overtired...and don't feel like you have to be in a holiday spirit cause everyone else is. Even at Christmas, you are still free 2 be you.
     
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