Black Spirituality Religion : Mere knowledge through words will not bring realization- Enjoy the misery

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  1. dattaswami1

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    Mere knowledge through words will not bring realization- Enjoy the misery

    You are trying to remove the problems but the problems are only your real friends in the spiritual line. The constant existence of problems will activate you and suppress your egoism creating a favorable atmosphere for the devotion to God. The happiness will make you proud and lazy and you will be deviated from the spiritual line. Therefore scholars like to enjoy the problems which are the guiding forces in the spiritual line. Kunti asked for existence of problems continuously as a boon from Krishna. The real tears will come in misery only while praying the God. This human life is obtained as rare chance after a long time of passing through several lives of animals. Thus the animal nature is concentrated in us and the constant presence of beating stick is necessary for us to grow in the right spiritual path. Mere knowledge through words will not bring realization.

    From this point also avoiding the enjoyment of punishments is also not correct for the spiritual progress. The realized soul invites difficulties for the sake of spiritual progress. An ignorant soul tries to avoid the difficulties and invites happiness by praying God. God brings back the results of good deeds arranged in the future life cycles with reduced value like a pre-matured deposit. By this the future cycle becomes full of misery only. Sometimes we find people who are hit with misery from birth to death. These were the people who pressed God for happiness and their happiness of previous births was the fruits of good deeds drawn from the present life cycle. God arranges every human life with alternating fruits of good and bad deeds like meals with alternating sweet and hot dishes. A liberated soul invites both happiness and misery in alternating way for full entertainment.

    The happiness derived from such entertainment is continuous and is called as Ananda. Nanda means happiness. The letter ‘A’ before Nanda means continuity (Aasamantaat). The word Sukham denotes happiness which is always temporary. It disappears when misery appears. But Ananda is continuous happiness, if you can enjoy the misery also like a hot dish. A spiritual aspirant who aims at the grace of God wants to perform penance which is a rigorous Saadhana. While doing penance you create difficulties artificially by litting the fire around you. This means spiritual aspirant wants continuous misery as the guiding force.

    The happiness and richness induce egoism and inertness which are obstacles of spiritual Saadhana. You will wonder to hear the special worship performed by Me sometime back in which I uttered the Sankalpa which states that I should get severe difficulties and poverty so that Jnana, Bhakti and Vairagya (spiritual knowledge, devotion and detachment) will improve in Me. Thus if you are a realized soul, you will invite difficulties as your spiritual guru. If you are a liberated soul you will invite both for entertainment. If you go to a picture, you like to see scenes of both happiness and misery. When you take meals you like both sweet and hot dishes. Then why are you not inviting both misery and happiness in your life for entertainment? The entire creation created by God for entertainment is a mixture of day & night, summer & winter, birth & death, happiness & misery etc. The equality in the entertainment of both is called as Yoga according to the Gita (samatvam yoga uchyate).

    At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

    Anil Antony

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    Words make People...we are the Words that "We" Understand*

    Hotep

    Spirituality is what we are seeking and nothing else. We are not looking for another so-called "Man-Kind" master out side of the "Kemet" to confuse and corrupt the pure "Right-Knowledge" of the "Creator" by limiting the scope and concepts to only what lesser "Man-Kind" can control and distort...the "Time" is "Up" and "Over" for that.
    Man means "Mind" and "Words" make people...the mind and the words are both creations of the "Creator" and "We" are only concerned with what the "Creator" has given "Us" and nothing more. Any thing outside of what the creator is only conjecter, dogma, distortions, fabrications, confusion and most of all "Pleagerizations" by the "Man-Kind" in a attempt to corrupt the "Natural" to make it "Un-Natural" to give that "Corrupter" power over the natural creation and that is what the problem is today...the problem is known and the problem is solved. If it does not have it's roots in the "Initiation-Camps" of the "Divine" so-called African "Bush"...then "We" don't need any parts of it ever at all. The "Creator" created "Mind" = "Hue-Man" and the creator created "Medu Neteru" or "The Word of G-d". The Creator created the Mind and gave it the "Words" that make "Us". We know today...after being cought off guard by a "Accident or Occicental" Man-Kind that "Fall" to a pathological system of distorted racism that has spoided everything it has come in contact with that this is not the plan, wish, direction or future for "Our" so-called African people who are and always have been the "Only" ones concerned with "Correcting" and bringing about the balance that is our "Birth-Right" and not the job of "No" others. The Origenal People must get back and stay only with the first "Order" of the "Creator" of "All" to "Know Thy Self ". The words of the creator are given to "Us" as was the "First" most ancient of ancestors on the Planet Earth in so-called Africa is Medu Neteru or the "Word of G-d". In this was and is our (Kemet) only success in the "Universe" and the "Keys" to un-lock the door to our "Deep-Spiritual-Sleeping" mind is already to be open in our "Genetic-Bank". We (so-called Africans) need no other because there is "NO" other than our "Selves" when we are "Ready".
    Words make people...and that is the only thing that seperates "Us" or the Origenal Mind from the other creation. We are the words we understand and know and use. If we are using words of confusion, corruption, fabrication, then our "Minds" will lead us in the "Wrong" direction as we have allowed ourselves to "Become" today following "Others". Today we absolutely know this has not been our success and we will not continue to ever follow anything other than "Right Knowledge" and our future success we know is in only what the Creator created "Us" in and that is (Spirituality) the Natural Order of Things. The only ones who benifit from any and all of the "Un-Natural" ...."Words" are the ones who can trick and has tricked the Natural Mind to become Un-Natural like it self. The un-natural mind can not live according to it own words but needs the Natural Mind to give it "Power ". With out the so-called African giving Power to the Aryan words of confusion...that confusion would and will cease to exist.

    Ase`

    Remember: The age of the origenal people of the earth in so-called Africa is millions+ of years...and there was no confusion. Only in the past recent 4000+ years has this confusion come into existance and has spoiled the natural order. Time is on the side of the creator and what was and is only Created and not what is only Made. According to the natural laws of so-called nature...all things out of Balance must be "Distroyed in Time". Then Misery shall be the farthest thing from 'Us'.
     
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    Three items in spiritual life -Yourself-the path -the goal


    Moorfius;


    Three items in spiritual life -Yourself-the path -the goal


    There are three items in spiritual life 1) Yourself; 2) the path and 3) the goal. Regarding yourself, you should realize that you are not God and that you are only the humble servant of
    God. Regarding the goal, you should realize that the goal is the human incarnation present in your generation. Neither formless aspect nor energetic form nor statue or photo is the convenient form for worship. These two aspects of yourself and the goal are very clearly understood from the spiritual life of Hanuman. The third item is the path to the goal. This is also very clear from the life of Hanuman. He was searching and waiting for the then human incarnation. He was anxiously waiting and searching for that only. Thus meeting the human incarnation physically is the first step.

    Then only the direct conversation and direct vision is possible. But today due to development of electronic technology, we are seeing the persons, situated far from us and we are talking with Him directly. This is exactly equal to the direct meeting and direct conversation. Such technology did not exist then and therefore meeting the human incarnation was very very essential. Meeting does not mean the simple physical sense. Meeting means understanding Him with full faith. Ravana and several demons also met Rama. Several evil persons like Kauravas also met Krishna. What is the use of such meeting in physical sense? Meeting means understanding Him with full faith and receiving the true knowledge from Him by clarifying all the doubts. The path in the darkness is shown by the torch light in the hand. The Sun situated far in the sky also shows your path by the same light. Therefore receiving the proper guidance from the Lord is important than mere meeting in the physical sense.

    After this Hanuman entered in to the service of the Lord participating in His mission, He did not receive Gita like Arjuna before the participation in the work. Already Hanuman received the Gita with full clarification from the Sun and the Sun was preached well by the Lord in the same Gita. The Lord says in the Gita that He preached the spiritual knowledge first to the Sun. Therefore knowledge was not necessary for Hanuman from the Lord. He saw Rama and entered in to the service. Sometimes a person becomes a wonderful devotee in practice without receiving any knowledge from the guru. The reason for this is that he has already received the knowledge in the previous birth and that samskara follows him in this birth.

    The hunter Kannappa did not receive any spiritual knowledge from the Lord and entered directly in to the service of the Lord because in his previous birth, he was Arjuna and received the Gita from Him already. The knowledge leads to devotion and devotion leads to practice. The knowledge continues in the devotion also and leads to practice. The knowledge continues in the practice also. Thus the knowledge is underlying in the devotion and practice. If the knowledge disappears, doubts will arise. Then practice will be stopped. The devotion decreases. Therefore knowledge is like a torch light which is put on continuously till the goal is reached. Therefore the guidance of the spiritual guru is necessary till the goal is reached. After preaching the Gita, Krishna did not leave Arjuna while practicing His message. Krishna was with Arjuna through out the war and was clearing several problems in the war. The 18 chapters of the Gita were Jnana yoga which were completely transformed in to the 18 days of war which is the Karma Yoga.

    In between the Jnana Yoga and Karma yoga, Bhakti yoga is developed in the mind of Arjuna which is in the hidden state. Krishna represents the buddhi or the driver or the Jnana Yoga who is the guiding force as guru. The Veda says that buddhi is the driver. Arjuna represents both Bhakti yoga and Karma Yoga. The Bhakti Yoga is hidden in the mind of Arjuna. The Karma Yoga is expressed in the form of participation of Arjuna in the war. The Gita is a mixture of the intelligence of the Lord (Guru buddhi) and the intelligence of Arjuna (Atma buddhi). Thus Jnana yoga is the interaction of the self with the super-self. The Gita is not simply preaching of Krishna like a non-stop express train. It is the series of answers given to the enquiries of Arjuna. Thus the Jnana yoga becomes the knowledge with relevance to the soul.

    At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

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    The First Law in Spirituality*

    Hotep

    The first step twards Spirituality is...no one can define who (we) you are except (ourself) yourself. You are not qualified to pass any judgment of any kind concerning "Spirituality" or the "Natural Order of Things. The truth is the truth that all things injoy the same "Spirituality" that is "Free" at birth and the death that is only the begining for "Us". We are not in need of any one who thinks they are superior because of their lack of something and have long ago started to believe their own "Fabrications". We have been here a very, very, very, very "Long" time and we know our selves and we surely know you. We are the "original mind" that you came from but you have lost your mind and call us un-touchable and now you come among us with your mixed words of deception and arrogance thinking we are the least bit interested in what you have to say about something that you have never put into practice but only "Sweet words of Lip-Service" to uplift your practice of "Sanctified Racism"...your day is done and you don't even know it...you still think you have time to mis-lead the weak but you have no place among us but with your own "Hindu" kind. Concerning what you call not G-d concerning the so-called Africans..."I am because we are and we are because I am."

    Ase`

    Note: anything not based in the divine initiation camps of the so-called "African Bush" is not excepted in the teachings (MAAT and M`TAM) of Spirituality today and forever more. We are here to return the Earth to its original care takers and source of "Balance" and there is nothing you can do.
     
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    Stages In Worship Of Lord

    In the first stage, a servant is sitting and singing on the owner without doing any work. He is asking the remuneration for his song from the owner. The owner refuses remuneration because the singer has already got happiness by singing and that happiness itself is the remuneration. One cannot get two remunerations for single work even if you treat the singing as a work. In the second stage the servant is doing work and is also singing. The owner will pay for his work only but not for the song. The servant is singing while he is doing the work in order to get happiness to forget the tiredness in the work. Therefore, here also only the work is remunerated but not the song. In the third stage the servant is advised to stop singing because his energy is wasted in the song. If he works without singing all his energy can be concentrated in the work and the servant will get more remuneration. In this third stage it is only an advice but the servant is not blamed for singing. Singing is not wrong at all. But singing has no remuneration.

    Similarly in the first stage people pray and express devotion without proving their love in action. In this stage the people are getting the peace and bliss by the prayers and expression of devotion. They cannot charge the Lord again for their prayers and devotion. In the second stage people participate in the mission of the Lord by sacrificing the work and the fruit of the work. While working for the Lord, they pray and sing devotional songs, which give them peace and happiness. Their prayers and songs are not wrong at all. But they will get the fruit from the Lord for their work only and not for their prayers (words) and for their devotion (mind).

    In the third stage they are advised to stop the prayers and expression of devotion by practicing silence and control of mind. The reason for this is that they can store their energy, which is wasted in prayers, and devotion and which cannot bring any fruit from the Lord. The energy wasted in these two channels can be diverted to the work only and more work can be done so that they can get a better fruit from the Lord. Of course, they should not expect any fruit for their work. Then only the Lord is pleased and will give the real fruit. But if they concentrate all their energy in the work only, they can get a better real fruit from the Lord though they do not aspire for any fruit.

    Please note that we are not finding fault with the prayers and devotion. We are only saying that you are wasting your energy in those two channels, which cannot bring any fruit from the Lord. If you control those two channels, better fruit is given to you. If you need relaxation by prayers and devotion, you will be in the second stage. Therefore there is no contradiction because in the third stage it is only an advice in the light of Yoga. Yoga means concentration of the entire energy in one channel that is useful. The root word of Yoga is “Yuj”, which means to unite the dissipated streams of energy in various useless channels and concentrate the whole energy as a single stream in the useful channel.

    The third stage is the highest stage. Hanuman never uttered prayers and never expressed devotional feelings on the Lord as per the Valmiki Ramayana, which is the only authority. Hanuman concentrated all His energy in the work of Lord Rama. Lord Rama also never expressed His love through words or feelings on Hanuman. He also gave silently the highest real fruit to Hanuman, which is the post of future creator (Brahma). Veda says “Yato Vacho Nivartante Apraapya Manasaasah”. This means that the words and mind cannot touch the Lord and will return back to you only. He will never hear your prayers and will never observe your ex-pression of devotional feelings. The reason is that they are giving you the immediate fruit, which is peace, happiness and satisfaction. It is like a self-employment scheme.

    Since the fruit is immediate and automatic the Lord need not pay any attention. But when you work for Him by sacrifice, you are not getting the peace, happiness and satisfaction. When you offer the sweet to the Lord you are suffering with hunger though you may feel it as happiness. But the Lord is not a sadist. He will pay His attention to you and will give you the real fruit. Therefore in this highest stage silence and control of mind are recommended by Gita also (Mounam Atma Vinigrahah).

    In the second stage by prayers and devotion, you are eating the sweet. Why should the Lord pay attention for that because you are getting the enjoyment in eating the sweet? Shall He give you the cost of the sweet to you for your eating? When you give the sweet to Him without aspiring for its cost, the Lord will be pleased for your sacrifice, which alone can prove your real love on Him and then reward you with real infinite fruit at the appropriate time and place. He will delay in giving the fruit since He wants to see you whether you have sacrificed the fruit expecting something in return.

    If you have sacrificed the sweet in terms of business, you will come out with your real color in the time of delay done by the Lord. The Lord is the top most genius.


    At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

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    I believe our Father and the Son are our true friends, for only they have been willing and able to give so much to us such as the salvation through the Son's sacrifice on the tree. Only they have taught us the true meaning of faith and belief in the sacrifice and the Son resurrection from the dead.

    Just as the Son has taught us to rejoice in our tribulations, I believe this is how the faithful should live so that it's always known who we follow, and that our faith cannot be shaken. :)
     
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