Black People : Memo to young black men: Please grow up

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  1. Da Street So'ja

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    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/472968p-397971c.html

    Memo to young black men: Please grow up



    Last week, I was in a studio in midtown where a popular program for black youths was being filmed. I found myself surrounded by black men, ages 18 to 35, and I was appalled.

    As a father with a daughter nearly 30 years old who has never been close to marrying anyone, I was once more struck by what my offspring describes as "a lack of suitable men." She has complained often about the adolescent tendencies of young black men, as will just about any young black woman when the subject comes up.

    Those who believe that America is perpetually adolescent will point at the dominance of frat-boy attitudes among successful white men and will say of the black hip-hop generation, "So what? How could they not be adolescent? They are not surrounded by examples of celebrated maturity. The society worships movie stars, wealthy athletes and talk show hosts. These are not the wisest and most mature of people."

    There is more than a little bit right about that. Our culture has been overwhelmed by the adolescent cult of rebellion that emerges in a particularly stunted way from the world of rock 'n' roll. That simpleminded sense of rebelling against authority descended even further when hip hop fell upon us from the bottom of the cultural slop bucket in which punk rock curdled.

    Hip hop began as some sort of Afro protest doggerel and was very quickly taken over by the gangster rappers, who emphasized the crudest materialism in which the ultimate goal was money and it did not matter how one got it. The street thug, the gang member, the drug dealer and the pimp became icons of sensibility and success. Then the attitudes of pimps took a high position and the pornographic version of hip hop in which women become indistinguishable ******* and hos made a full-court press on the rap "aesthetic."

    At the television studio, as I watched and listened to those young men, each of whom seemed to be auditioning for a lifelong part as a "man-child," I discussed this phenomenon with a black woman in her 40s who is a writer.

    She had worked for rap magazines, magazines that had focused on black women and in black television. Her analysis was quite direct and could be profoundly true. Her profession and being the mother of a teenage daughter has made her pay close attention and forced her to give these issues a good deal of thought.

    The way she understood it was that these young black men do not see growing up as having any advantages to it. One is either current or old-fashioned and outdated. The only success they think they can believe in is had by either athletes or rappers. Young black men. So they hold on to adolescence and adolescent ways as long as they can.

    The writer also said, "I am sure many knew of Ed Bradley but they did not identify with him. He was too sophisticated. They identify with the overgrown boy, who is everywhere and who is getting over. He's got a lot of cash, plenty of girls, lots of jewelry, an expensive car. To them, that's the world. Or it's the world they want to be a part of."

    So what can be done to make adulthood seem attractive to these young black men?

    Good question.

    From one end of the country to the other, adults sleep in the street for nights on end as though they are homeless in order to have choice places in line when PlayStations go on sale. That alone gives us more than an indication of how great a problem we find ourselves facing.

    Originally published on November 20, 2006
     
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    This is one of the reasons why I started up my own Newsletter entitled the WAKE UP! Call to Consciousness.

    I suggest that the Older Brothas step up, and REALLY play their part. I am doing what I can. Sure, people are waking up, but we still have a long way to go. Not to mention, as a Young Black Brotha myself, I know I can not do it all by myself. I can not have my Older Brothas sitting on the sidelines, watching I and others do what we do. The need to wake the Young Brothas up is bigger than words printed up in "Jews"papers, Newspapers, Newsletters, articles; you get my point,

    We need to Older Brothas to step up, and not let us go down the tubes. Each 1 Teach 2 and Reach 3- more for sure! Then we will get somewhere.

    Peace-

    KD
     
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    i appreciate your commetn

    and respect it as well

    old brothaz are tired of talking
    there is a new set of criteria today us it's not the KKK anymore
    it's us

    and the number ONE thing that kills us

    is trying to be COOL

    and when you're young like when i was in high school we weren't building for the future we were building to see our next vic

    it's sad

    you are one of the shining stars don't give up continue what you're doing
    you can't conquer the world but you can conquer some minds


    but the number thing that irks me is how dumb we want to stay

    when i try to drop gems on a person they "say man i don't have time for that
    i'm trying to get mine"

    well if dat axx stayed focused on the real like school or vocational training
    then you could get "yours"

    it amazes me where you can't study science and math but know every foul word know how to do every street drug, know where every strip club is
     
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    Our People have been conditioned into following all that you have mentioned. Understand that it was a Process getting us where we are, and it will take another Process to get us out of it. Notice how you had people fighting for us back in the day; not, they are teaming up with the Enemy(ies) to contribute toward Our destruction.

    When you know Body language very well, and when you see the 'Science' of speech, for instance, you notice that many people say things they do not mean. They just say what what they say to avoid further reality coming at them. I mentioned that to point out that they DO have the time for it; they just are afraid the face the pain and struggle we will have to go through to change the conditions we are in, Men and Women alike - Brothas and Sistahs alike.

    The Afrikan way of avoiding "I don't have time," is simply to make the time. Excuses only delay Our Progress. We need to realize that we have work to do, and no matter if we start today or tomorrow, the challenges and obstacles we must take on will still stand, until we accomplish them.

    Peace-

    KD
     
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    I read this a few days ago so my response has been thought out so if it may seem as a reaction, that is not my intention.

    When speaking concerning the need for OLDER brothers to "step up" it seems to me that this message is "out of step" with reality.

    "Older" brothers had to "step up" long ago in order to make it as far as they have while surviving and living in a times where "Elders", for the first time that I have knowledge of, are held to the task of having to answer to youth.


    It used to be that Elders asked the questions and youth had to come up with the answers.

    Nowdays, it seems as if the youth come up with demands which the Elders are expected to answer to.

    I will soon turn 49 and have lived through,

    segregation
    voting rights act
    civli rights movement
    black power movement
    black consciousness moveement
    affirmative action movement
    anti-apartheid movement
    nation of islam
    black panther party
    national black independent political party
    black united front
    black student union
    african student union
    pan african student union
    statewide black student alliance
    pan african student union
    all african prople's revolutionary party
    universal zulu nation
    hip hop movement
    hip hop golden age
    national african youth student alliance,

    and have witness first hand the teachings and leadership of Elders and Master teachers Haile Selassie, Elijah Muahmmad, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr, Steve Biko, Nelson Mandela, Frantz Fanon, Patrice Lumumba, Stokely Carmichael, Kwame Nkrumah, Sekou Toure, Huey P. Newton, fred Hampton, George Jackson, Bobby Seale, Bobby Hutton, Bunchy Carter, Louis Farrakhan, Khalid Muhammad, Amilcar Cabral, Eduardo Mandlane, Samora Machel, Cheikh anta Diop, Amiri Baraka, Haki Madhubuti, Askia Muhammad, Omali Ye****ela,

    and I am in the same age group as Kool Herc, Russel Simmons, Grandmaster Flash, Chuck D, Ice T, Grandmaster Caz, and others pioneered "hip hop culture".

    and through it all I survived, was an active community and student organizer and educator.....

    Now tell me.....when EXACTLY do I get the opportunity to see young Black men who view themselves as "Gods" rise to the same level of greatness as the Elders and the organizations and institutions they BUILT, as forementioned?
     
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    Well neither way you look at it, whether we asked the questions or the Elders asked the questions, the NEED for us to communicate stays the same. It is not about who is asking what, and who is coming up with the answers; it is the fact that we are not communicating with each other, and that is lost.

    When we do get ourselves together to the point where we are communicating, the subject matter needs to be more than just Sports and Enter'tame'ment; I am sure given what you have dealt wit and come out of, you know what the subject matter SHOULD be.

    KD
     
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    From my observation when there have been attempts initiated by "Older brothers" there has been a lack of positive response. And I am not referencing discussion I have inititated on the topics of Revolution or Community Building, but one particular thread started by the Elder Brother of THIS community.

    http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41884

    As brother Rich said, "Interesting that brother don't want to talk and build brotherhood!"

    Because of previous response to some of my comments on this matter I choose to no longer concern myself here with this issue but to let brothers such as you take the initiative.

    Interestingly, I have found this perspective to be true, to an extent, and concluded that perhaps this is not the proper context for building in the manner that some folks suggest, based on previous failed attempts.

    http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=42291&postcount=6
     
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    growing up takes work, a lot of it

    I've raised five children, and managed to do okay with four of them. My daughter is like the daughter of the author, no where near being married. I grew up in the ghetto without a lot of male role models to emulate, but I had the presence of mind to see that the "hood" was a nowhere place, so I sat my sights on getting out.

    I really don't understand the youth of today, including many of the whites. Bling bling is what they want most, nothing solid just fluff. It's too easy in "the land of plenty" to lack ambition and just live off the fat of the land (someone elses work). They don't have to build the nation, because it has already been built for them, so they think. They see the tall buildings, but not the labor that went into building them. The same with cars and houses etc. It's already there, and they are entitled to it, so they think.

    The school system doesn't teach morality, the church has been abandoned, the military is only for volunteers. There is really very little pressure on the black kids to grow up. There is welfare and food stamps, who needs to work? There is no fear of starving to death. The homeless are mostly mentally ill, so it has been said. Most irresponsible kids have someone who will take them in, unconditionally.

    One of the other treads is about illegal immigrants being given preference over young black males, in menial labor jobs. Those illegals don't harbor the same mentality that someone owes me something, or I have options. Employers, like the rest of us, watch the six o'clock news and see young black men killing each other over a simple argument about nothing. To tell them to grow up doesn't even come close to what they need to do.
     
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    mrron

    you are not lying
     
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    mrron...the most important part of your post is your opening statement..."I've raised five children, and managed to do okay with four of them."

    :great:

    It has been my central theme the past few weeks that MANHOOD begins with PARENTHOOD. It is evidence not of the Divine Act of "Creation" but also of child Raising, Teaching, Mentorship, Role Modeling, all of the most basic and most important functions of a MAN in this or any African society.

    Instead of the "Each one, teach one" philosophy I believe moreso each one teach your own and MAN UP....and for those who think they are men but have not yet EXPERIENCED FATHERHOOD....you have not yet even begun to LIVE.

    PEACE.
     
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