Pan Africanism : Masterful Lecture on the importance of African History by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima..

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    WHICH WAY FORWARD IN THE 21ST CENTURY?
    When are WE GOING TO TEACH ALL of our people THE TRUTH?
    Wouldn't YOU agree that the TRUTH is that we peoples of African ethnicity in the UK, USA , the rest of the Diaspora and Africa are all frontline soldiers in a War that has NEVER EVER been openly declared then or now by THESE despicably cowardly Semetic/White PARASITES, just very very efficiently waged/they JUST DO IT?

    Nubia/Khemet battled and resisted the Semitic hordes for millennia but from the moment Alexander the Macedonian peasant overran Khemet we've been losing this WAR, with the situation becoming a rout when Augustus [Julius Caesar's nephew, heir and history's greatest VANDAL] deliberately destroyed Khemet's most spectacular Pyramid at Abu Rawash, which you've never heard of, have YOU?

    This so deliberate piece of cultural vandalism was done to DELETE DJEDEFRAH from history as this African Pharaoh is now acknowledged as the builder of the Sphinx which honours his father Khufu [who built the Great Pyramid at Giza]; and as exemplified by the murderous carnage in Darfur and the Congo TODAY along with NATO’s so murderous slaughter of Gaddafi and thousands of Libyans [killing him and his Afrocentric agenda in one], we're still in BIG trouble/losing this WAR, aren't WE?

    Wishing this WAR away hasn't worked for the African collective in the USA, the rest of the Diaspora and Africa for the last 500 years because Slavery and Colonialism didn't so much end as evolve into the current reality of White/European socio-economic domination in every area of human activity so why are WE expecting the chaos in our communities and countries to improve in the near future?

    Isn’t the main reason that we're still the "VICTIMS" as highlighted by the ongoing HOLOCAUST of the last 500 years the FACT that we have not organized our communities and countries with intelligence and foresight comparable to the other ethnic clans, with most of our so inept leaders not even acknowledging that this WAR is on?

    Have you ever heard of the GAP African American community of Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA [why not Google them]?

    The destruction of the GAP community of Tulsa on June 1st 1921 is still marginalised and ignored TODAY in a similar manner to the way the pivotal role Fidel Castro and the 55 000 Cuban volunteers [which was funded by Gaddafi/Libya] he sent to fight with the MPLA in Angola against UNITA and the South African Expeditionary Army destroyed Apartheid’s military backbone in 1987/8, caused formal apartheid’s collapse; were you aware of these FACTS?

    The Greenwood, Archer and Pine community of Tulsa is STILL a truly superb template of the WAY TO GO in the 21st century because of their DO FOR SELF ethos so rather than re-invent the wheel why don’t we just use it rationally?

    Would you agree that our community’s in the UK, USA rest of the Diaspora and specifically our country’s Education departments NEED to take over and refocus the schooling of our youth in general, the History curriculum being taught at ALL levels in particular, to curb the ongoing pollution of our knowledge base with the Euro-centric GARBAGE as opposed to TRUTH that we previously had no option other than to ingest?

    Would you also concede that being CRUSHED and marginalized as sub human in your homeland by STRANGERS who have conquered YOU and YOUR country and made it theirs, [which is exactly what Colonialism/Apartheid did to Africa and Africans]; is comparable or possibly even more spiritually and intellectually traumatizing and debilitating than the HOLOCAUST which enslaved/delivered my ancestors and [their tortured, mutilated and murdered siblings] over 35 million others to the USA and the rest of the Diaspora in general [Guyana with regard to ME specifically]?

    Can you NOW relate to why the peoples of African ethnicity in general, in the USA and the rest of the Diaspora [along with the Africans in Nigeria, South Africa] and the rest of Africa in particular NEED the so uplifting TRUTHS of an African centred History Curriculum as the core of resurrecting both the individual and collective self esteem necessary to kick start the African Renaissance in the 21st century?

    When are WE going to fully update the History Curriculum taught in our communities and even more critically in AFRICAN countries TODAY at ALL levels with the works of Dr Ivan van Sertima They Came Before Columbus, The African Presence in Ancient America (circa 1200-400 BCE as highlighted by the Olmec Heads, have YOU ever seen them) and Blacks in Science, Ancient and Modern etc; or even the still alive Anthony T Browder's Nile Valley Contributions to Civilization as ready made textbooks?

    Couldn’t we also utilize the Browder Files and Dr Frances Cress-Welsing’s “The Isis Papers for ordinary and advanced level African Studies textbooks, with the truly superlative “Yurugu- An African centred critique of European Cultural thought and behaviour” by Marimba Ani as the Doctorate level textbook?
    Given the example of how successfully the Asians in general, the Japanese, and even the formerly colonised Chinese and Indians have coped with this burden with comparatively limited natural resources in a consistently hostile environment, with even their communities in the Diaspora outperforming OURS; isn't the so consistently CLUELESS/TRECHEROUS performance of our socio-economic elite an ongoing DISASTER?
    Isn't the functional intelligentsia of any ethnicity responsible for deducing the strategic policies for moving the group forward collectively [whereas many of us are expecting our underclass to be the first on the planet to do so]?
    Even the well meaning members of our Elite like Cosby, Oprah, and many other actors/celebrities do not have the resources spiritually or intellectually or focus to perform this function by themselves, but at least some of them are trying, EH?
    You don’t see the current administration relying on the likes of Bill Gates, the recently deceased Steve Jobs or any of their IT/Business leaders to organise the USA’s social and political leadership and direction, though I do concede that I think they would do a much better job than the retarded dimwits who were pulling G.W Bush's strings who are now doing the same with Obama, aren't THEY?

    Moving our socio-economic elite from their current dysfunctional state or forming a new one which is rationally intelligently functional for our collective best interest is OUR greatest challenge of the 21st century, because as highlighted by the ongoing African HOLOCAUST of over 500 years now isn't it obvious that brilliant individuals will ALWAYS be just VICTIMS IN WAITING [who wont have to wait long for grief] when existing/warring/competing with intelligently organised and led collectives?
    Isn’t anyone who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE!
     
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    You hit the nail on the head

    History shows what one can do,
    those people in those times,
    did not dwell on the past,
    they
    used the lessons of the past to make history!
    and not as a closet to hide from the worlds problems in,

    or escape the responsibility of being creative!
     
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    "..the colonization of man in The Americas and Africa does not stop with slavery or second class citizenship.. we are not speaking of these bonds which we appear to have broken.. we are speaking of chains from which we are not yet free.. we are speaking of the colonization of the imagination.."

    - Dr. Ivan Van Sertima
     
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    That is true I have seen almost an entire generation with no imagination or creativity, so do folks sit and wallow and pity or do they make history by working on breaking the chains on the mind mentioned?
     
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    that is entirely not what that quote means.. did you listen to the lecture?
     
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    I would not have commented if this was in he history section but since this in the Pan African section I will give a response as a Pan Africanist, for the sake and in regards to the future of Black people on the continent.

    And having seen him several times at the UAM meetings here in Brooklyn I know that he would concur with my statement
     
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    How does being a Pan Africanist.. and the section that this lecture is posted in change the meaning of Dr. Van Sertima's words? Did you listen to the lecture or not? It's a very easy question.
     
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    Are we to be predetermined by other folks past losses...

    Or-- wage our own battles--i. e., in order to reclaim our rightful places/spaces-- among the rest of the mostly colored human beings on this planet?

    Whatever the whites do, their domination over the rest of us of colored humanity is coming to an end, one way or another...

    Don't forget who is in the midst of the protestors of the so called 'arab spring', i. e., who aren't just a bunch of wild eyed/if also fed up/young arab college students--etc...

    If anything, the West fears an ever growing rise of militant acting middle and upper middle class colored folk--i. e., not subject to the same whitewashed agendas, and/or the evential ushering in of a more inclusive multiracial world spanning status quo, etc., hence the rise of a new world cilivilization, (which whites can't and won't be so easy to dominate) (just too bad that might not include our too othentimes deluded folk)!

    FYI...
     
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    Other folk, are you joking/the end product of some bizarre socio-economic vacuum as opposed your ancestors and YOU being very very lucky survivors of the ongoing African HOLOCAUST of over 500 years now?

    Or-- wage our own battles--i. e., in order to reclaim our rightful places/spaces-- among the rest of the mostly colored human beings on this planet? Did YOU actually read the post or were YOU already aware that the name of the Pharaoh who built the great Pyramid at Giza was Khufu, why are you marginalizing the significance of the determined manner in which Augustus Caesar deleted Khufu’s son Djedefrah from history [probably in a jealous rage with regard to the Sphinx he built to honour his father, and the fact that his cult was still very strong in Nubia/Khemet/Egypt 2500 years after he was dead] by destroying [in the worst act of cultural vandalism on the historical record] his so spectacular red granite covered lower third pyramid at Abu Rawash [whereas the pyramids still standing today were originally clad in much softer limestone]?

    Whatever the whites do, their domination over the rest of us of colored humanity is coming to an end, one way or another... AND? Apart from providing a vehicle for getting rid of Gaddafi which has so far failed to destabilize their other big target in the region Iran, are YOU so truly naïve as to believe that there is going to be any significant change in the Muslim world [where most of the leaders/elites are Western puppets] for the better as opposed to the worse?

    Don't forget who is in the midst of the protestors of the so called 'arab spring', i. e., who aren't just a bunch of wild eyed/if also fed up/young arab college students--etc... Exactly who is in the midst of these protestors apart from paid Western agitators/subversive spies?

    If anything, the West fears an ever growing rise of militant acting middle and upper middle class colored folk--i. e., not subject to the same whitewashed agendas, and/or the evential ushering in of a more inclusive multiracial world spanning status quo, As exemplified/highlighted by what exactly, aren’t the Wall Street protestors being very very efficiently sidelined/ignored?

    etc., hence the rise of a new world cilivilization, (which whites can't and won't be so easy to dominate) (just too bad that might not include our too othentimes deluded folk)!

    FYI... I KNOW that you truly don’t KNOW what point you’re trying to make do you, and is there a specific reason you haven’t directly addressed any of the assertions or answered any of the questions in my post in the direct manner [like this] possible with this medium?

    Isn’t anyone who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
     
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