Black People : Malcolm X (El Hajj Malik El Shabazz) and Cornel West Comparisons

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    This thought came up only within the past few years, but wondered how a comparison between Malcolm "El Hajj Malik El Shabazz" X and Cornel West would appear...

    Let's begin with simple visual comparisons, which were a somewhat coincidental surprise even for this side by side comparison:

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    • Glasses ✔
    • Gap in teeth (before dental adjustment) ✔

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    • Goatee and Mustache ✔

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    • Expressions of powerful conviction ✔


    Now for the comparisons of characteristics...

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    • Lecturer and Instructor ✔

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    • Vocal of others, respectfully and/or disrespectfully ✔

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    Dr. Cornel West: President Obama Doesn’t Belong On Same Shirt With MLK, Malcolm X

    During an interview on Democracy Now with Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez, Dr. Cornel West made it plain that President Barack Obama does not belong on a t-shirt with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X.

    Dr. West once again discussed President Obama’s war crimes and contrasted them with King’s legacy of anti-war, anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist positions.

    Standing firmly rooted in Black liberation theology, just as Dr. King before him, Dr. West takes every opportunity to disrupt the narrative that, outside of both being gifted orators, President Obama and King are at opposing ends of the spectrum—even if they both received Nobel Peace Prizes.

    Gonzalez asked Dr. West to give his take on Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize speech remarks where he invoked the legacy of Dr. King, while maintaining that his position as President of the United States of America means that he has to show a willingness to use force against perceived enemies.

    Read more...
    http://newsone.com/3059633/dr-corne...esnt-belong-on-same-shirt-with-mlk-malcolm-x/


    Dr. Cornel West: Politicians Only Talk Gun Control When ‘Vanilla’ People Get Shot

    Dr. Cornel West, who has long been a vocal critic of the plutocrats and oligarchs controlling the beltway, has never shied away from being politically incorrect, and he didn’t start with the tragic massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

    Speaking candidly on the Smiley & West Show, which he co-hosts with his close friend and adviser, Tavis Smiley, West said that though he’s glad that celebrities and politicians are finally beginning to call urgent attention to the national issue of gun control, it’s a shame that horror had to affect the “vanilla side of town” for it to happen:

    “We can’t just shed tears for those on the vanilla side of town,” West said, “they are precious, but they are no less or more precious than our poor brothers and sisters on Indian reservations (who are killing each other) or be they black or brown or what have you.”

    “But it’s a good thing that we now have a discussion on gun control. We need one on drone control,” he continued, “not a peep, not a mumbling word when black folk get shot. But now, Newtown, Connecticut, vanilla side — low and behold we got a major conversation. That’s wonderful. Each life is precious but it just upsets me when we’re so deferential.”​

    Read more (audio inside)...
    http://newsone.com/2111800/cornel-west-sandy-hook/




    With characteristic calm and analytic precision, Malcolm X proceeds to dismantle and lay bare the hypocrisy of the JFK administration in its contrasting responses to White racial violence and Black self-defensive resistance during a series of 1963 disturbances in Birmingham, Alabama.


    • Racial policies and responses related to separate systems of justice ✔ and ✔

    Thoughts?
     
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    Brother Malcolm would have NEVER went AGAINST GOD and supported gays!

    I like Cornel West. He is right about black issues, but HOW DARE he go AGAINST GOD in support of gays!
     
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    As smart as Professor West is, he, like thousands of so called "African Americans", have to learn that the white man ain't always right!

    Just because the WHITE MAN and AMERIKKKA says it's okay to be a homosexual, doesn't mean that we should go AGAINST God and support gays!
     
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    Malcolm X's Daughter Disputes Claims in New Bio on Father

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    A controversial new biography about Malcolm X makes some provocative assertions about the late civil rights leader's sexuality and the circumstances surrounding his death. Earlier this month, host Michel Martin spoke to one of the lead researchers of the book. Today, Martin gets another perspective from Ilyasah Shabazz, Malcolm X's third daughter. They discuss her reflections on her father's life and the allegations in the new biography about him.



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    MICHEL MARTIN, host:

    You might have heard about a controversial new biography of Malcolm X, "Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention" was written by prominent African-American scholar, Manning Marable, who died on April 1st just days before the book was released. The book has gotten a lot of attention, in part, because of that unfortunate circumstance. But also because the book makes some provocative assertions about the activist's life and death, including some assertions about his early years, speculations about his personal relationships and the circumstances of his murder.

    Earlier this month I spoke to one of the lead researchers of the biography, Zaheer Ali. Today, another perspective on the life of Malcolm X from Ilyasah Shabazz, the third daughter of Malcolm X and Betty Shabazz. Ms. Shabazz works with the Malcolm X Foundation in New York. She produces a nationwide outreach program called Wake Up Tour which is meant to empower young people to make good decisions about their lives. And she's the author of her own memoir, "Growing Up X: A Memoir by the Daughter of Malcolm X," which was published in 2002.

    And Ms. Shabazz joins us now from our bureau in New York. Welcome to the program. Thank you so much for joining us.


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    Ms. ILYASAH SHABAZZ (Author, "Growing Up X: A Memoir by the Daughter of Malcolm X"):

    Thank you.


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    Further in the interview
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    MARTIN: So - but he never discussed your parent's interpersonal relations. Is that the part that most concerns you about what you've heard so far? You say you haven't read the book in its entirety. But is that the part that you take issue with the most?

    Ms. SHABAZZ: Right. I think the things that I take issue with are the fact that he said my father engaged in a bisexual relationship, a homo – you know, he had a gay lover who was an elder white businessman, I think, in his late 50s when my father was in his teens. And, you know, my father was an open book. And we actually have four of the missing chapters from the autobiography. And, you know, he is very clear in his activities, which nothing included being gay.

    And certainly he didn’t have anything against gay – he was for human rights, human justice, you know. So if he had a gay encounter, he likely would’ve talked about it. And what he did talk about was someone else’s encounter.


    Listen to interview and read complete transcript below:
    http://www.npr.org/2011/04/20/13557...ses-controversial-claims-in-new-bio-on-father



    Cornel West on gay marriage rulings: Black people ‘being pushed to the back of the bus’

    July 2, 2013

    Cornel West praised the Supreme Court’s ruling last week on gay marriage, but lamented that “we black folk are just being pushed to the back of the bus in terms of our visibility.”

    Speaking on his radio show with co-host Tavis Smiley, the Democrat made the case that while the court’s decision advanced the rights of gay couples, it hindered the rights of blacks by striking down part of the Voting Rights Act.

    “We’re living in an age where we black folk are just being pushed to the back of the bus in terms of our visibility,” Mr. West said, “of our suffering in terms of the intensity of our exclusion, especially our poor black youth, especially with the new Jim Crow and so on. And we have to be honest about that. Again this has something to do of course with what history books will say.

    “The irony of the age of Obama in which black folks found themselves pushed to the back, our gay brothers and lesbian sisters more and more pushed to the center,” he added.

    Source:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/2/cornel-west-gay-marriage-rulings-black-people-bein


    A "gay rights" activist (who happens to be white) tosses a gay rights questions towards "black rights" activists...


    Gay rights activists have attempted to jump on the coat tails of "black rights" activists, in efforts to catch them in some sort of hypocrisy.

    Gay Rights and Black Rights are two independent conversations, and those that attempt to mire the two into some concoction based on "civil rights", will seldom be pushed away out of the fear of rejecting a potential ally.


    James Baldwin on Malcolm X's influence, negative and positive...


    Malcolm X speaks with James Baldwin...


    Keep in mind this is while Malcolm was affiliated with the Nation of Islam...
    Malcolm would later attempt for form a political organization after leaving the NOI.


    Malcolm X... post Nation of Islam... no quoting of Elijah Muhammad, but still gave credit to him


    Malcolm was unleashed to speak freely while still claiming his Muslim (Jim Jones curiously pronounced it as Mooslem) identity, and became the speaker that we all recognize today.

    Malcolm X - The Ballot or the Bullet - April 4, 1964


    Compare the post-NOI (1964) Malcolm X with the "Race Matters" (1995) Cornel West
     
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    [QUOTE="CosmicMessenger, post: 913449, member: 41191" As smart as Professor West is, he, like thousands of so called "African Americans", have to learn that the white man ain't always right!

    Just because the WHITE MAN and AMERIKKKA says it's okay to be a homosexual, doesn't mean that we should go AGAINST God and support gays! /QUOTE]
    Why open that particular can of worms in that do YOU really care about exactly how consenting adults who are hetero or homosexual behave in private/what sort of world would we be living in if homosexual behaviour by less than !0% of the populace was the worst thing happening on this planet TODAY?

    Have any of you read The Autobiography of Malcolm X as told to Alex Haley, which is easily the most superbly crafted/written book and only biography that I’ve EVER read, in that as I’m struggling to find the time to fully focus on ALL of my projects/LIFE what is to be gained by totally immersing myself in someone else’s?

    With Alex Haley checking and verifying each chapter as he wrote it with Malcolm X himself surely begs the question doesn’t it, as how ANY of the other biographies of Malcolm X that continue to surface so many years after his murder can hope to get anywhere near to being as truly factual, provide anything new rather than just speculative, as opposed to very obviously being yet another hustle/another opportunist attempting to milk/sensationally tarnish Malcolm X’s iconic legacy?

    Malcolm even told Alex Haley/set about correcting his error with regard to publicizing his rift with Elijah Mohammed [a mentor who he’d worshipped for many years, despite knowing that worshipping ANY MAN is wrong] because Elijah MADE Malcolm X by providing the vehicle that steered him away from the criminal degeneracy that nearly cost him his life/caused him to be imprisoned; Malcolm subsequently outgrowing Elijah [tarnished/destroyed his legacy by being so WEAK as to be PLAYED by the system into exterminating Malcolm X] spiritually and intellectually should have been handled far better by both men shouldn't it; especially Elijah/the elder?


    Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
     
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    Man, I only care what the ALMIGHTY GOD had to say, and Malcolm X being a MUSLIM MINISTER, did not support gays!

    The word of God:

    Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

    Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment; for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

    How can Cornell West call himself a "Christian" and go against that???
     
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    Why would Cornel West be compared to Malcolm:( or anyone else. Cornel went off the deep end, cra cra, when Obama was elected and didn't give him the recognization he believe he deserved. Cornel is a brilliant author, and somewhere down the line he began to refer to himself as an activist. I have all of his books. He is critical of the Black politicians in most of his books. I haven't bought his last book because I stopped supporting him after he went crazy. He lost some of his readers, that supported his works in the written word.
    Malcolm is giving a speech. Cornel is screaming erratically, cutting someone off, demanding to be heard and right, lol.
     
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    Great contrast!

    But let's see...
    Some would also say that Malcolm "went off the deep end" when he denounced Elijah Muhammad in his criticisms.

    Either Malcolm blatantly slandered Elijah Muhammad, or he was speaking truths which got him removed...


    "He doesn't love black people, he doesn't even love his own followers"... "the man has gone insane"
    (Malcolm X referring to Elijah Muhammad)

    Video can be viewed below:


    Notice also how Malcolm's voice becomes excitable as he talks.


    Also...

    What makes you worry about President Bush?
    “His administration is a hallmark of the rise of an ugly imperialism — aided by an unholy alliance of the plutocratic elites and the Christian Right."

    To turn back to political leaders: Was Bill Clinton really so much better than President Bush, as many Democrats longingly argue?
    “Bill Clinton was a masterful neo-liberal communicator, who subordinated his conscience to the exigencies of reelection strategies — and he was a man who was able to conceal his opportunism with his charisma.”​

    excerpts from Cornel West: Democracy Matters
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    http://www.theglobalist.com/cornel-west-democracy-matters

    Not sure why people don't realize that a critical thinker doesn't stop being a critical thinker because of someone's skin complexion.


    But if the biggest contrast is that Malcolm had a different voice and didn't speak erratically at times, then that is an accepted contrast.
     
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    Malcolm sounds angry, disappointed and revengeful, to me. I'm not a supporter of the NOI, but I am aware, like most Blacks, of Malcoms....contributions to the civil rights movement, mostly his impact on Black men.

    As much as I respect(ed) West, I'm bother that of three marriages, 2 were white women. This information is difficult to verify via the net now. Like it's been erased.


    Thank for sharing the videos.
     
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