Black Spirituality Religion : Lucifer, From GODs point of view

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    Lucifer, From GODs point of view:

    GOD and HIS 7 or 8 Sons all have a Luminas quality about them. GOD’s lumen can light the entire earth all at once. The Sons of GOD are entities created / born of GOD from GODs Essence, hence the term Sons of GOD. The First Born or created Son of GOD is rendered as Lucifer or Bright Morning Star or Great Light. These are all the hits on the phrase Son(s) of GOD from the Old Testament.

    Gen:6:2: That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    Gen:6:4: There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    Job:1:6: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

    Job:2:1: Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

    Job:38:7: When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

    Dan:3:25: He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

    As you can see in Job 38:7 it is a time when GOD is boasting about the time HE was creating our environment, as you can see GOD refers to Sons of GOD as being in existence during Creation. This means The Sons of GOD where with GOD before anything else, they are HIS First creations, HIS First Servants. Also you can see that Job 38:7 is the only neutral verse involving Sons or Son of GOD. The rest of the verses are in a dark-light or deleing with Evil.
    The nature of the Sons of GOD is to influence false doctrines and prove humans against the Word of GOD through antitheses doctrines because GOD can not Speak directly to a human being and tell a lie. Any Words that where written in the days when man feared, loved and respected GOD that decree “Thus saith the LORD”, or “The LORD said unto me”, or show GOD Himself Speaking in First Person point of view can not and will not be a lie, it is The Word of GOD. Thus GOD had to create Entities of HIS nature that could test or prove man through GOD lying to them. Only a being of the Essence of GOD can withstand a lie from GOD. These Beings are Sons of GOD and Angels that are equivalent to Robots. When GOD wipes their program HE also wipes any lie HE placed within them. When ever a lie is to be manifested or transmitted to man it will come from a Son of GOD or some Host of Heaven.

    1Kgs:22:22: And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

    We also have another example of how we should not wholeheartedly trust Angles and Sons of GOD. These teachings come from the Old Testament, it is found in 1Kgs 13:1-25.

    1Kgs:13:1: And, behold, there came a man of God out of Judah by the word of the LORD unto Bethel: and Jeroboam stood by the altar to burn incense.

    The man of GOD died because he placed and believed in the words of an Angel to a prophet to him over what GOD had informed him of directly from HIS own Breath.
    The Koran is written as from GOD to Gabriel to Mohamed to us the reader. The New Testament is written as from GOD to Jesus to the Apostles to us the reader. GOD is teaching us HE does not give relayed messages unless they are a thing of proving or testing your Love, Respect and Desire of HIM and what HE Speaks to us the reader in HIS Specific Words.
    The Sons of GOD and Angles can exist to relay the test or proving of your Love for GOD and obedience to HIS Specific Word.

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    If GOD creates a Host of Heaven and Commands the Host to Fall to the earth and test or prove mans ability and willingness to adhere to HIS Doctrine does that make the Host Evil?

    Testing and proving man is the job of the Sons of GOD. The only way GOD could communicate to us the Nature of Sons of GOD was to manifest or present them in the Old Testament as Evil. The first communication to the reader that begins to describe the Nature of Sons of GOD would be these passages.

    Gen:6:2: That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    Gen:6:4: There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    The Sons of GOD committing to Gen 6:2 caused them to be the First Beings to deny a Command of GOD.

    Gen:1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    With the Sons of GOD manifesting offsprings through human woman man could no longer exist as GOD described in Gen 1:26. Man no longer had dominion over the earth. This rule and control was taken away from us through Sons of GOD and their offsprings that became demigods on earth. These offsprings between human woman and Sons of GOD were beings that appeared as humanoid or beings of great beauty that had supernatural powers unexplainable to man, we began worshiping and praising them as gods. We would war and kill each other continually for our gods. We even began to breed for the Barbaric warier killer instinct and started becoming nothing more than mindless killing machines to each other for the worship, religion and praise of these demigods. The Sons of GOD and their offsprings reigned over the earth and us and man began to forget GOD and the knowledge of GOD was reduced to a few pockets of tribes and clans in the earth.

    Gen:6:3: And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    My spirit is referring to the Spirit of GOD that exists in the Sons of GOD that got transferred to the demigods through the combining of human woman and Sons of GOD.
    shall not always strive with man is referring to the continues state of war on earth between the demigods, man and man that continued to worship GOD.
    for that he also is flesh is referring to GOD Spirit existing in the flesh through the demigods on earth. yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years the demigods and Sons of GOD reign in the earth physically for 120 years. GOD ended their reign over the earth and man with a great flood.

    This Action by GOD made the Sons of GOD furious because their entire kingdom was reduced to nothing. They went from being praised and worshiped by billions to being nothing and having no servants and their offsprings were destroyed but yet GOD saved man through Noah. This made the Sons of GOD hate and despise man because they feel their offsprings and their reign should not have been destroyed to make way for man to reign in the earth. Now the Sons of GOD work everyday to prove to GOD man is not worthy of HIM nor to reign in the earth. Creating this enmity between Sons of GOD (Order of Satan) and man was professed and predetermined in this passage.

    Gen:3:15: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


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    The next verse that begins to reveal the Nature of Sons of GOD would be Gen 6:4.

    Gen:6:4: There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    English Bible:
    There were Nefilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men of old, men of renown.

    In the KJV Bible the translators edited out the name “Nefilim” because it was too revealing that it relates to the Nature of Sons of GOD. “Nefilim” is translated as “The Fallen”. The Servants of Jesus covered up the true meaning of Nefilim through replacing it with “Giants” in this particular passage because the Entity they beguile people to worship referrers to himself as a Son of GOD and in his own words specifies as to which Sons of GOD he professes to be.

    Jn:8:58: Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

    The only Son(s) of GOD that existed before Abraham are the Son(s) of GOD that became the Nefilim.

    Many Servants of Jesus try to say Jesus is Son of GOD through this passage.

    2Sam:7:14: I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

    But in order to do this they have to begin denying the specific words and teachings of Jesus himself. Jesus in his own words never professes to be the Son of GOD as through a Covenant. Jesus in his own words professes to be a Son of GOD as through Creation from GOD and of GOD. Even GOD referrers to and confirms Sons of GOD being in existence during the Creation of our environment.

    Job:38:7: When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

    In a reading around that passage you will see it is GOD Speaking and boasting about the time HE Created our environment, as you can see the Sons of GOD where there but had nothing to do with Creation, they only Witnessed and marveled at the LORDS Works. Sons of GOD became the Nefilim after the creation of Humans.

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    Did you say more?! Check out this more....Do you think I want to go to heaven based upon the Biblical version? I think not. But let me sum it up like this. Obviously the angels had "free will" or there could not have been a rebellion in heaven according to the Christian version.

    Logic says that "Nobody rocks the boat when the going is good"...so the question becomes; "Why would the angels rebel against God if everything was coochie crunch"? Furthermore, since man was not made at that time, what would they have been ruling had their rebellion been won?

    However, let me state it this way. Based upon the Scriptures, God "DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME CAUSE THE ANGELS WOULDN'T HAVE REBELLED"

    GOD DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT THE SECOND TIME CAUSE HE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO DESTROY THE WORLD BY A FLOOD.

    SO NOW WE ARE ON THE THIRD TRY?...AND OBVIOUSLY GOD ALREADY KNOWS HE DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME EITHER CAUSE HE THREATENED TO DESTROY THE WORLD BY FIRE THIS TIME.

    JUST HOW MANY CHANCES ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GIVE THIS GOD BEFORE HE GETS IT RIGHT?

    PERSONALLY IF I WAS A CHRISTIAN I'D BE SCARED TO DEATH JUST WONDERING IF HE GOT HEAVEN HOOKED UP CORRECTLY...CAUSE SO FAR HE GOT A BAD BATTING AVERAGE.

    IF HIS BATTING AVERAGE WASN'T BAD, HE WOULDN'T HAVE TO KEEP DESTROYING THINGS TO DO IT AGAIN. JUST MY THOUGHTS.
     
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    And the question that will make your pastor trip over his own muddled theology: once in this Heaven will we have free will? If so how can God gaurantee eternal life?

    The bible tells us that the smoke of the torment of those in hell goes up before the Lord forever. So there will be an element of threat in Heaven--the kind of threat that causes free will beings to rebel.
     
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    Servants of Heaven are equivalent to robots. They do as GOD Programs them to do and if GOD programs some of them to play the role of Adversary then that is what they will do, period. The scheme of a rebellion is presented for us because it is the only way GOD can communicate to us their programming. The LORD warned you up front and too the point that HE was going to test or prove your love, loyalty, and yielding abilities to HIM. The only way to accomplish proving you, is for GOD to create or invent an Adversarial Force.

    Isa:45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

    Man existed during the time of the Nefilim. I don’t understand where you are getting your information. But this passage shows man in existence in parallel with the Nefilim.

    Gen:6:4: There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    English Bible:
    There were Nefilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men of old, men of renown.

    So do the passages of Job and Isaiah.
    All that has manifested is the Will of GOD. GOD is building a people that will live forever in the earth and not threaten the earth with evil such as nuclear bombs, continual war, lawlessness and oppression. It is called stability of human existence. We live with evil people that threaten that stability continually and enjoy seeing suffering. GOD has devised a plan to weed out these evil people in a way they will go away willingly and of their own free will through their own free will rejection of GOD.
    In doing this GOD saved us from the Nefilim and evil humans. And the last time I checked the world was still here.
    I thank that would be the Nuclear bombs evil humans have built.
    The question is how many chances will HE give us? The answer is as many as it takes. Even if HE has to start all over with two or three families because HE Loves us that much. We just can’t seem to get it right in Loving GOD back but GOD continuously Works with us..
     
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    Your perspectives prove to be more and more biased as I read them.

    How/where is the difference between what Muhammad and Jesus (as you understand) did in relationship to God, and what took place in the Old Testament?

    The OT is rife with statements beginning and ending with "Thus Sayeth The Lord", indicating that they were relayed by a vessel. From the "Mind of God", to the Pen of man, to the eyes and hearts of other men.

    How is this anything different? What did "Moses, Ezra, Joshua, David, Jeremiah", and all of those other characters do, that Muhammad and Jesus didn't?
     
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    Muhammad’s message comes from Gabriel.
    Jesus’s message comes from Jesus.
    Both of them fail to adhere to this LAW and Decreed agreement between GOD and Israel.

    Deu 18:
    16: According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
    17: And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
    18: I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
    19: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

    Muhammad did not receive his message directly from GOD and write his message as GOD Himself Speaking.
    Jesus did not receive his message directly from GOD nor did Jesus write his message as GOD Himself Speaking. Also neither Jesus nor Muhammad is considered to be of the tribe Levi like unto thee, means like unto Moses whom was a Levite. When we read the Old Testament all of the prophets are from the tribe Levi with the exception of one, Amos. I suspect Amos was chosen to deliver GODs message because he was during a time when prophets were being murdered and locked up for speaking the Word of GOD.
    All of the true prophets in the Old Testament Spoke as GOD declaring, “Thus saith the LORD”, or “The LORD said unto me”, or showing GOD Himself Speaking in First Person point of view.
    The LAW dictates that the Word of GOD comes to us or the reader as; from GOD, to a prophet, to us the reader. In studying the Old Testament the Doctrine adheres to that dictation acridly and soundly.
    When we get to the New Testament and the Koran the LAW is blown apart, ignored and made useless.

    We also have a teaching in the Old Testament about a Man of GOD that ignored this LAW and lost his life for it. 1Kgs 13:1 is where the teaching starts.
     
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    The next passages we see that continues the negative nature of Entities referred to as Sons of GOD are the ones we find in Job.

    Job:1:6: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

    Job:2:1: Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

    We began to see in Job the relashonship between GOD and the Fallen Sons of GOD. We began to see the manifestation to the meaning and understanding of this verse.

    Isa:45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

    There is no such thing as Lucifer or Satan or the Devil over there doing his thing and GOD over here doing HIS thing. GOD Wills all things good and evil. The concept of Lucifer or any Host of Heaven being, acting, thinking and committing independent of GOD only comes from Servants of Jesus and their theology. Lucifer is the loyal Servant of GOD, no Host of Heaven can resist or deny GOD, they are equivalent to robots that perform a task of the programmer this is why GOD spends a lot of time Ministering and Teaching HE Only should be Worshiped and Praised.

    A Host of Heaven has absolutely no power nor authority unless authorized by GOD as we see in the writings of Job. GOD authorizes each power or temptation Satan is allowed to place before Job.

    Job:2:10: But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

    Job understood what temptation was and how it manifested. So now we began to see that it is mainly entities referred to as Sons of GOD that GOD has programmed to test or prove our love and obedience to HIM. So when GOD presents Jesus as HIS Son in the New Testament it was not and is not a prelude to worship him. It was a warning that you are about to embark upon the Temptations of the Fallen, but one would never realize this if they had no knowledge of the Old Testament and the Doctrine of GOD.

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    continued….

    The next passage we see is a reference in Daniel.

    Dan:3:25: He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

    This one is a little tricky. One figures this one out through examining the character of the man that is making the statement. Nebuchadnezzar was a man that invented religions and would kill people for not serving his religion. He destroyed Judah and conquered the people and religion of Judah, a man of pure evil in religion and his conquest of the kingdoms. One has to ask the question as to, how would a man of this caliber know what a Son of GOD looked like? We can only assume that he was visited frequently by Sons of GOD that guided him in his destruction of Judah’s religion and kingdom.

    Just as GOD ordained evil against Judah it was fulfilled.

    Jer:18:11: Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: return ye now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good.

    This evil is mostly accomplished through Hosts of Heaven referred to as Sons of GOD.

    Isa:14:12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    This explains why the New Testament is a religion that is designed to contend with Judaism. Due to the god of the New Testament being a Son of GOD the nature of the New Testament becomes that of the Adversary or that to prove and test the human loyalty to GOD.

    More to come……from the New Testament prospective.
     
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