Black People : List Of Prior 9/11 Knowledge

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    tigre35 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    OPTIONS ON United Airlines

    FTW, October 9, 2001 - Although uniformly ignored by the mainstream
    U.S. media, there is abundant and clear evidence that a number of
    transactions in financial markets indicated specific (criminal)
    foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center
    and the Pentagon.

    In the case of at least one of these trades -- which has left a $2.5
    million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the "put options"
    on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by the man who is
    now in the number three Executive Director position at the Central
    Intelligence Agency.

    Until 1997 A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard had been Chairman of the investment
    bank A.B. Brown. A.B. Brown was acquired by Banker's Trust in 1997.
    Krongard then became, as part of the merger, Vice Chairman of
    Banker's Trust-AB Brown, one of 20 major U.S. banks named by Senator
    Carl Levin this year as being connected to money laundering.

    Krongard's last position at Banker's Trust (BT) was to
    oversee "private client relations." In this capacity he had direct
    hands-on relations with some of the wealthiest people in the world in
    a kind of specialized banking operation that has been identified by
    the U.S. Senate and other investigators as being closely connected to
    the laundering of drug money.

    Report: Calendar Showed Plane Crashing Near Manhattan
    NewsMax Wires
    Thursday, Sept. 27, 2001
    A calendar which was printed in Egypt and for the month of September
    shows a crashing passenger plane with Manhattan and the Statue of
    Liberty as a backdrop -- and which was printed in May, a full three
    months before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on America -- has caused
    an uproar in the Dutch town of Almere, Netherlands, the newspaper De
    Telegraaf reported yesterday.

    "I am supported by Allah, to die for Allah" was quoted on the
    calendar, the same words reportedly used by an EgyptAir pilot who
    allegedly crashed a jet in November of 1999.

    FBI Knew Terrorists Were Using Flight Schools
    By Steve Fainaru and James V. Grimaldi
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Sunday, September 23, 2001; Page A24
    Federal authorities have been aware for years that suspected
    terrorists with ties to Osama bin Laden were receiving flight
    training at schools in the United States and abroad, according to
    interviews and court testimony.

    A senior government official yesterday acknowledged law enforcement
    officials were aware that fewer than a dozen people with links to bin
    Laden had attended U.S. flight schools. However, the official said
    there was no information to indicate the flight students had been
    planning suicide hijacking attacks.

    Says Organization of Terrorist Groups Has Changed
    ROME, SEPT. 16, 2001 ( A priest who has worked in
    charities in Muslim countries had openly warned about a possible
    terrorist attack on population centers in the United States and
    England -- four days before the horrific raids on New York and

    On Sept. 7, when he officiated at a wedding in Todi, Italy, French-
    born Father Jean-Marie
    Benjamin, 55, explained informally to a judge and several politicians
    that he had been told that a terrorist commando was preparing an
    attack, with hijacked passenger planes, on U.S. and British
    population centers. {EXCERPT}
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    tigre35 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Newspaper: Echelon Gave Authorities Warning Of Attacks
    FRANKFURT, GERMANY, 2001 SEP 13 (NB) -- By Ned Stafford, Newsbytes.
    U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals at
    least three months ago that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning
    to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important
    symbols of American and Israeli culture, according to a story in
    Germany's daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ).

    The Article

    FBI tracked man in custody 2 weeks before attacks
    September 18, 2001 Posted: 4:41 PM EDT (2041 GMT)
    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Two weeks before the terorist attacks in New York
    City and Washington, D.C., FBI agents were at a flight school in
    Oklahoma asking questions about a man now suspected of having a link
    to those attacks, sources said.

    The fact that FBI agents were at the Airman Flight School in Norman,
    Oklahoma, two weeks before any attacks would seem to contradict the
    agency's assertion that it was not aware of any connection between
    aviation schools and suspected terrorists.

    The possibility that pilots were being trained for terrorist plots
    was revealed earlier this year during testimony at the trial of four
    men charged with the 1998 bombings of American embassies in Africa.
    U.S. prosecutors believe Osama bin Laden -- described as the "prime
    suspect" in the hijackings -- was behind that plot as well. He, in
    fact, was indicted for the 1998 bombings.

    U.S. investigators also believe that two of the dead World Trade
    Center hijackers had toured the Oklahoma facility, seeking flight
    training. Those two hijackers later enrolled in a Florida aviation
    Meanwhile, the FBI was warned six years ago of a terrorist plot to
    hijack commercial planes and slam them into the Pentagon, the CIA
    headquarters and other buildings, Philippine investigators said.

    Philippine authorities learned of the plot after a small fire in a
    Manila apartment, which turned out to be the hideout of Ramzi Yousef,
    who was later convicted for his role in the 1993 bombing of the World
    Trade Center. Yousef escaped at the time, but agents caught his right-
    hand man, Abdul Hakim Murad, who told them about plots to hijack U.S.
    Reuters and the Associated Press contributed to this report.

    The Article

    Seattle man reportedly warned of terror attack
    Friday, October 12, 2001
    By SAM SKOLNIK [email protected]


    A Seattle man of Middle Eastern descent who reportedly predicted
    terrorists would attack the United States has been subpoenaed by a
    federal grand jury in New York, according to sources familiar with
    the investigation.
    The man, employed as a security guard, suggested to an East Coast
    friend in a telephone conversation days before the Sept. 11 passenger-
    jet hijackings that an attack on U.S. soil was coming, the sources

    After the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, the friend
    went to federal authorities with his concerns.
    When the tipster passed a lie-detector test, FBI agents in Seattle
    were assigned to track down the security guard.
    The man refused to cooperate with the agents, who asked him to also
    submit to a lie-detector test.

    The Article

    World: Israel knew bin Laden attack was coming, source says
    By JASON KEYSER, Associated Press
    TEL AVIV, Israel (September 21, 2001 7:39 p.m. EDT) - Israeli
    intelligence services knew months ago that Osama bin Laden was
    planning a large-scale terror attack, a senior intelligence official
    said Friday. But no one knew what his targets would be. The Israeli
    official, who briefed journalists on condition of anonymity,
    said "everybody knew about a heightened alert, and knew that bin
    Laden was preparing a big attack."

    The Los Angeles Times first reported that Israel's Mossad warned
    Washington in August that as many as 200 terrorists linked to bin
    Laden were slipping into the country to prepare a major assault in
    the United States.

    The Article

    Project Bojinka -
    More Indications Of
    Prior US Knowledge Of
    Hijacker Attack Plans EXCLUSIVE
    ©. 2001 All Rights Reserved

    Subject: Project Bojinka To my Classmates: Sometime in January
    1995, when Philippine Police authorities captured Ramsey Youssef in
    Manila, I was asked, because of my affiliation with the NBI, to help
    decode and decipher the hard drives of the computers found in
    Youssef's possession. This is where we found most of the evidence of
    the projects that were being funded by Osama Bin Laden in the

    The first plan was to assassinate Pope John Paul II who was then
    scheduled to visit the Philippines. The second was Project Bojinka,
    which called for the hijacking of US bound commercial airliners from
    the Philippines, Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, Honking(sic -ed) and
    Singapore, and then crash them into key structures in the United
    States. The World Trade Center, the White House, the Pentagon, the
    Transamerica Tower, and the Sears Tower were among prominent
    structures that had been identified in the plans that we had

    I would have thought that intelligence operatives would have analyzed
    all the evidence and worked out various scenarios that could have
    included the modified Bojinka plan. If they had done so, the US would
    have been prepared for this attack.

    The Article

    State Department memo warned of terrorist threat
    Phillip Matier, Andrew Ross, Chronicle Staff Writers
    [email protected]
    Friday, September 14, 2001
    ©2001 San Francisco Chronicle
    Former U.S. Secretary of State George Shultz said yesterday that he
    was "startled" by a little-noticed State Department memo that was
    issued a week ago and warned that Americans "may be the target of a
    terrorist threat."

    The memo, issued just four days before the attacks on New York and
    Washington, identified the threat as coming from "extremist groups
    with links to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization."
    "I have not idea what intelligence lies behind the warning," Shultz
    said, ''but they put this out because they had some sort of

    Shultz, who served as secretary of state under President Reagan, said
    he received a copy of the Sept. 7 "worldwide warning" in his San
    Francisco office on the day before the fatal attacks. The memo
    addressed concerns for Americans overseas and made no mention of any
    possible attack on U.S. soil.

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    Officials Told of 'Major Assault' Plans

    Inquiry: U.S. authorities were advised in August that as many as 200
    terrorists were coming to U.S. as part of plot.
    An article Thursday reported that in August, Israeli intelligence
    warned U.S. officials that terrorists were preparing a large-scale
    attack in this country.

    The article cited as its source a high-ranking law enforcement
    official. The Times has since learned that the official's account was
    based on a British newspaper report, not on independent information.

    The Article

    Internet Domain Names May Have Warned of Attacks
    By Jeff Johnson Congressional Bureau Chief
    September 19, 2001

    ( - The terrorists who planned and executed the September
    11 attack on America may have registered as many as 20 Internet
    domain names, or web addresses, that experts believe should have
    warned authorities of a possible assault on the World Trade Center in
    New York City.

    Internet domain names like ''
    and '' were registered more than a year ago.
    It's not known at this time who registered the suspicious names or
    what their purpose was.

    "It's unbelievable that they (the registration company) would
    register these domain names, probably without any comment to the
    FBI," according to Neil Livingstone, head of Global Options LLC, a
    Washington, D.C.-based counter-terrorism and investigation company.


    The Article

    Mossad warned CIA of attacks - report
    By Douglas Davis
    LONDON (September 17) - Mossad officials traveled to Washington last
    month to warn the CIA and the FBI that a cell of up to 200 terrorists
    was planning a major operation, according to a report in the Sunday
    Telegraph here yesterday.

    The Article

    Early Warnings by David Johnson -- Reports keep coming in to us of
    advanced warnings that an attack of some sort was eminent. San
    Francisco Mayor Willie Brown was booked to fly from the Bay Area to
    New York City on the morning of September 11. But Brown says that
    late Monday evening, a full 8 hours prior to the attack, he received
    a call from a person Brown described as his "airport security man"
    telling him that he should be extra cautious about air travel on
    September 11.

    In addition to what we have previously reported about heightened
    security at the World Trade Center itself in the weeks leading to the
    attack and at the Picatinny Arsenal in Rockaway New Jersey
    CounterPunch has also learned that an internal memo was sent around
    Goldman Sachs in Tokyo on September 10 advising all employees of a
    possible terrorist attack.

    It recommended all employees to avoid any American government
    buildings. Wonder why all the CEOs they have been reporting were
    conveniently "out of the office" in the
    WTC that day?

    The Article

    OCTOBER 02, 19:59 EDT SEC Probes Suspicious Trading
    AP Business Writer
    Traders work floor of NYSE
    The government is investigating trading in shares of 38 companies,
    including major airlines, cruise lines, General Motors and Raytheon,
    to determine if people used advance knowledge of the terror attacks
    to profit.

    The 38 companies also include the parents of major airlines American,
    Continental, Delta, Northwest, Southwest, United and USAirways as
    well as cruise lines Carnival and Royal Caribbean, aircraft maker
    Boeing and defense contractor Lockheed Martin.

    In the days before the terrorist assaults, unusually high numbers of
    put options were purchased for the stocks of AMR Corp. and UAL Corp.,
    the parents of American and United - each of which had two planes

    The Article
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    Report: bin Laden Treated at U.S. Hospital Wires
    Wednesday, Oct. 31, 2001
    PARIS - A CIA agent allegedly met with suspected terrorist mastermind
    Osama bin Laden in July, while the Saudi underwent treatment for
    kidney problems at an American hospital in Dubai, France's Le Figaro
    newspaper reported Wednesday.
    Bin Laden reportedly checked into the American Hospital Dubai, a 100-
    bed acute-care general hospital, July 4 and stayed until July 14.
    Copyright 2001 by United Press International. All rights reserved.

    The Article

    December 22, 2001

    Flight School Warned F.B.I. of Suspicions
    WASHINGTON, Dec. 21 —

    An instructor at a Minnesota flight school warned the F.B.I. in
    August of his suspicion that a student who was later identified as a
    part of Osama bin Laden's terror network might be planning to use a
    commercial plane loaded with fuel as a weapon, a member of Congress
    and other officials said today.

    The officials, who were briefed by the school, said the instructor
    warned the Federal Bureau of Investigation in urgent tones about the
    terrorist threat posed by the student, Zacarias Moussaoui. Mr.
    Moussaoui, a French citizen of Morrocan descent, was indicted last
    week on charges of conspiring in the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

    Representative James L. Oberstar of Minnesota, who received the
    briefing and is the ranking Democrat on the House Transportation
    Committee, said the instructor called the bureau several times to
    find someone in authority who seemed willing to act on the

    Mr. Oberstar said the instructor's warnings could not have been more
    blunt. The representative said, "He told them, `Do you realize that a
    747 loaded with fuel can be used as a bomb?..."

    The Article

    Who Did It?
    U.S. Searches for Terror Clues; Analysts See Signs of Osama Bin Laden
    By David Ruppe
    A June 22 alert said the U.S. government had learned "that American
    citizens and interests abroad may be at increased risk of a terrorist
    action from extremist groups."
    Most recently, on Friday, Sept. 7, the State Department issued a
    worldwide alert warning "American citizens may be the target of a
    terrorist threat from extremist groups with links to [Osama bin
    Laden's] al Qaeda organization."
    ABCNEWS' Howard Rosenberg contributed to this report.

    The Article

    "CIA, FBI KNEW in August!!!"
    Times Staff Writers
    October 18 2001
    WASHINGTON -- The one thing everybody agrees on is that a CIA cable
    transmitted Aug. 27 over a classified government computer network
    warned that two "Bin Laden related individuals" had entered the
    United States and that two other suspected terrorists should be
    barred from entering.

    The CIA had already notified the White House and other senior
    policymakers in early August that the exiled Saudi militant Osama bin
    Laden was determined to launch a terrorist attack within the United
    But CIA and FBI officials now disagree over the significance of the
    later notice and, specifically, whether an apparent miscommunication
    affected the FBI's response.

    The Article

    DC Lawyer Says US KNEW about WTC
    Planned Attacks Before They Happened
    David Shippers Interview
    Alex Jones Radio Show
    Oct. 10, 2001
    The following is a very serious, but credible interview with David
    Shippers, the D.C. lawyer, who was the prosecuting attorney in the
    Clinton impeachement. This guy is one of Washington's top lawyers and
    insists throughout this transcript of a lengthy radio interview that
    the government knew about 9/11 BEFORE it happened, that HE knew, and
    that some of the FBI agents knew too, but even together, they
    couldn't get anyone to listen to him/them.

    The Article

    Trade Center warning baffles police
    An `urban myth' turns out to be true - but what does it mean?By
    Jonathan Alter [email protected] SPECIAL TO MSNBC
    NEW YORK, Oct. 12 - I went to Brooklyn this week in search of
    an "urban myth" about the World Trade Center attacks.

    What I came back with was no longer a myth - it was cold, chilling
    fact. But it didn't clear anything up for me; that the "myth" was
    true only made matters murkier. Was word of the attacks on the
    street: beforehand? I wanted to find out.The story I was looking for
    had circulated less widely and in more general form.

    It recounted the story of a kid who bragged around school before the
    attacks that the World Trade Center was going to be destroyed. On
    October 11, an aggressive young reporter for The JournalNews of
    Westchester, N.Y. - Jeffrey Scott Shapiro - published a article that
    tracked the story down to New Utrecht High School in Brooklyn.
    Shapiro identified a teacher who witnessed a freshman in her class
    saying: "Do you see those two buildings? They won't be standing there
    next week."

    On September 6 - five days before the attack - Antoinette DiLorenzo,
    who teaches English as a second language to a class of Pakistani
    immigrants, led a class discussion about world events.

    She asked a freshman (his name has been withheld): "What are you
    looking at?" The youth was peering out the third floor window toward
    lower Manhattan. After he made the remark about the World Trade
    center not being there next week, the teacher didn't immediately
    think much of it, though it stuck in her mind.

    "It scared the hell out of everyone," according to a source at the
    school. Moreover, according to police, the youth confirmed having
    made the September 6 statement about the towers. At the moment he did
    so, his older brother elbowed him, said he had been "kidding," and
    the youth in question agreed.

    The Article


    LONDON: The US administration had very specific information about
    Osama Bin Laden, his whereabouts, details of his al-Qaeda network and
    the degree of Pakistani military and security involvement in
    Afghanistan as far back as March, courtesy of the Russians, but still
    elected to take no action.

    The latest issue of Jane's Intelligence Review, published from
    London, says that Moscow's Permanent Mission at the United
    Nations "submitted an unprecedentedly detailed report" to the UN
    Security Council six months before the American atrocities.

    According to Alex Standish, the editor of the Review, the attacks of
    September 11 were less of an American intelligence failure and more
    the result of US inaction based on "a political decision not to act
    against Bin Laden".

    The Article
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    "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

    Is "adhering to their Enemies" like:

    1. hosting the Taliban in Texas at his ranch?

    2. having congressman Helms' niece arrange meetings all year?

    3. meeting with the Taliban to discuss oil business?

    4. working for a company the Bin Ladens owned a big piece of? (Carlyle)

    5. chatting with Bin Laden in an Indian hospital and, letting him go last summer?

    And, does "giving them Aid and Comfort" include:

    1. giving the Taliban $43M last year?

    2. selling Iraq $23.8 million dollars worth of technology? (Cheney from Halliburton)

    3. ordering the FBI to "stand down" from investigating the Taliban?

    4. asking that the follow-up investigation not dig TOO DEEP?

    Visas Issued To Terrorists As Policy BBC - Greg Palast

    Has someone been sitting on the FBI? 6/11/01

    The CIA and Saudi Arabia, the Bushes and the Bin Ladens. Did their connections cause America to turn a blind eye to terrorism?

    There is a hidden agenda at the very highest levels of our government.

    The sad thing is that thousands of Americans had to die needlessly.

    How can it be that the former President of the US and the current President of the US have business dealings with characters that need to be investigated?

    In the eight weeks since the attacks, over 1,000 suspects and potential witnesses have been detained. Yet, just days after the hijackers took off from Boston aiming for the Twin Towers, a special charter flight out of the same airport whisked 11 members of Osama Bin Laden's family off to Saudi Arabia. That did not concern the White House.

    Newsnight has uncovered a long history of shadowy connections between the State Department, the CIA and the Saudis. The former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah is Michael Springman.

    In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the Inspector General's office. I was met with silence.

    By now, Bush Sr, once CIA director, was in the White House. Springman was shocked to find this wasn't visa fraud. Rather, State and CIA were playing "the Great Game".

    What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits, rounded up by Osama Bin Laden, to the US for terrorist training by the CIA. They would then be returned to Afghanistan to fight against the then-Soviets.

    The attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 did not shake the State Department's faith in the Saudis, nor did the attack on American barracks at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia three years later, in which 19 Americans died. FBI agents began to feel their investigation was being obstructed. Would you be surprised to find out that FBI agents are a bit frustrated that they can't be looking into some Saudi connections?

    I would never be surprised with that. They're cut off at the hip sometimes by supervisors or given shots that are being called from Washington at the highest levels.

    I showed lawyer Michael Wildes our FBI documents. One of the Khobar Towers bombers was represented by Wildes, who thought he had useful intelligence for the US. He also represents a Saudi diplomat who defected to the USA with 14,000 documents which Wildes claims implicates Saudi citizens in financing terrorism and more. Wildes met with FBI men who told him they were not permitted to read all the documents. Nevertheless, he tried to give them to the agents.

    "Take these with you. We're not going to charge for the copies. Keep them. Do something with them. Get some bad guys with them." They refused.

    In the hall of mirrors that is the US intelligence community, Wildes, a former US federal attorney, said the FBI field agents wanted the documents, but they were told to "see no evil."

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    It was the ONLY time in history when the :


    all agreed on the same thing at the same time. They did the EXACT SAME THING at the same time.

    And, that is:


    They were ALL blind, deaf and dumb at the same time, our hour of greatest need and all the months leading up to it.

    The rest of the world knew and sent us warning galore. But, they were ALL asleep at their posts at the same time.

    The odds for catching them ALL unawares are astronomical. Odds say this this didn't happen, couldn't.

    So, it was staged. Deliberate.

    They WEREN'T caught off-guard. They stood down.
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    tigre35 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Our Government Is Behind The Attacks

    This was to secure the pResidency he stole AND to give him more powers and to cause us to give away our basic rights AND to give an excuse to invade the middle east.

    Newsweek had him on the cover 9/10, "How *ush STOLE The Presidency" because the votes had been recounted again by a group commissioned by the media companies (NY Times and others) and the truth came out that he LOST, period.).

    This was in May. We hammered the public and the media SO MUCH with the truth that it was starting a steady "drip" that was getting worse. THEN, the cover of Newsweek...

    9/11 was the best thing that EVER happened to him. He kept reading to those schoolkids as one tower burned, doing asbolutely nothing. Then, after the second tower, he started flying all over the country, hiding, not to be found for hours. He abandoned us, point blank.

    Then, they gave orders for the air force to stand down. But, frankly, I've seen all the testimonies of the people in PA. and they say flt. 11 was shot down. The whole passenger uprising thing either didn't happen or it DID happen and they shot them down anyway.

    We gave him all of our basic rights and we didn't dare question if he should be in office anymore. Even the Dems backed off and gave him whatever he wanted. He posed with some firemen and his popularity went thru the roof because people are basically dumb, scared sheep.

    They are behind the anthrax, too. And, I have all the proof you need on that. Peopla had too many 9/11 questions and they needed their minds taken off of all that. Just scare tactics borrowed straight from the Nazis.

    You know the nazis burned down the Reichstag building and blamed the Jews. This caused the people to be "outraged" (ha) and give Hitler unprecendented power and it removed the rights from the people. It's a template for what was done here. But, most people don't know geo-political history and such...

    Now, they got those fake assed "terror alerts" that have backfired at this point because they overused them and people are numb to them. But, at first, it kept us all nice and scared.

    So, they WILL attack something else before we get them out of office. They even laid the groundwork awhile ago by telling us to "expect a terror attack here" and that there were all these cells operating here.

    And, unfortunately, americans are SO WEAK-MINDED that they will let people that they pay BILLIONS to protect us tell us something like that. Me, I'dve taken them out back and shot them and got new people. That's dereliction of duty. Don't tell me to "expect" an attack or, YOU better expect me to attack YOU for taking BILLIONS of my dollars and providing NOTHING.

    But, everyone isn't as strong as me.

    SO, we just give them MORE of our money that WE need so bad and wait for the next attack. And, when it happens, we'll blame somebody else we need to attack.

    So, EXPECT another attack. Maybe, they'll nuke a city. It won't work, it'll catch up to them, like all this sh*t is catching up to them. They're not really that smart, americans are that dumb and morally lazy. They'd rather watch the game than put themselves at risk or have to read something unpleasant.
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    tigre, my goodness...who are you and how is it that you're so knowledgeable of these issues? Do you sit and study this. Most of what you say I believe many members have also expressed in various threads here. I have a question to ask you though.

    Knowing all that you know, and knowing the extent to which governments will go when they are desperate, feel threatened and backed in a corner, what do you propose can be done to intervene in this modern day holocaust?

    The wheels of this despot machine have been allowed to turn for many years. Are the wheels getting rusty or are ignorant Americans the grease?
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    tigre35 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    "tigre, my goodness...who are you"

    If I told you, I'd have to kill you...



    I'm ALOT of things, ma'am.

    Warrior, Researcher, Scientist, Historian, Philosopher, Painter, Poet, Lover Of Queens...

    I thought the black man was SUPPOSED to be quintessential. So, it's just the routine for me.

    "Knowing all that you know, and knowing the extent to which governments will go when they are desperate, feel threatened and backed in a corner, what do you propose can be done to intervene in this modern day holocaust?"

    We can get rid of these guys. They're already gone. Me and, people like me have been spreading this information around for years but, because of the media blackout on the truth (yes, they're VERY MUCH in on it) most of these stories get buried or obscured by Laci Peterson or Coby or, whatevah.

    But, this information has finally reached SO MANY PEOPLE, globally (thanks to email and the internet) that it has reached critical mass and the independent media is getting the scoop on the majors and so, the majors HAVE to run this now.

    And, now, since EVEN MORE people are outraged, globally, it has a life of it's own. They are currently tearing each other apart, pointing fingers and throwing each other to the wolves. SOMEbody gotta fall on his sword for the team but, the guy THEY chose, the CIA Director, accepted it, at first. NOW, he's saying they told the pResident the information was false and he used in his State Of The Union Address anyway.

    That's HIGH TREASON. That's the only speech that is mandated for the Prez and he knowingly lied. He's been lying the whole time but, TOO MANY people know and TOO MANY have died and this war cost TOO MUCH and TOO MANY families are STIL missing their loved ones or, they're burying them. Daily.

    SO, we've reached the point of no return, the point at which an object has gone so high, it can't fall back to earth, it just keeps on going.

    They're truly gone and just don't know it yet. I'll start a thread with vivid proof of WHY we're REALLY gonna get them out.


    since THEY MIHOP'd 9/11 (made it happen on purpose) AND, are responsible for the Anthrax (I'll do a thread on that, too. And, yes, it's VERY comprehensive), they'll do something desperate AND major before they leave to take everybody's mind off of them or, to frighten everyone into wanting some other Arabs dead.

    They were trying to attack Syria this week but, nobody wanted to hear the same story about Weapons Of Mass Destruction.

    They've already warned us (primed us) to EXPECT another attack and nobody took them out back and shot them for dereliction of duty - what do we pay them billions a year for? So, there WILL be another attack. I think a nuke.

    They'll need something really BIG to panic people out of their minds. SO, more people will probably be sacrificed. But, they won't get away with it. With the internet, information circles the globe in HOURS, not months or years, like old conspiriacies. AND, with all the in-fighting, evidence is being leaked weekly and me and people like me send it everywhere and to places like this, to be cut and pasted and sent evrywhere, as well.

    "The wheels of this despot machine have been allowed to turn for many years. Are the wheels getting rusty or are ignorant Americans the grease?"

    Well, with "Joe Millionaire" sports, hip hop and other things people would rather do, this happened because most people are morally lazy and won't get off their couches for a cause. they're too busy trying to cram their lives into the two days a week their master lets them do their thing.

    That's agood way to keep people at bay. Imagine only having 7 days a week, that's ALLTHE TIME THERE IS and, you are only given TWO days to actually live your life.

    It makes people justifiably lazy about things that don't affect their household directly, But, The alternative, doing nothing, is all evil needs in order to win...

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    <i>A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week's attacks.

    Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.

    Mr Naik said US officials told him of the plan at a UN-sponsored international contact group on Afghanistan which took place in Berlin.</i>

    There's alot of that kind of proof just laying around all over the place. Somebody's gonna get the death panalty or life behind this. Somebody high up.
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    UPI: 911 Report says NO Iraq-Al Quada Link

    WASHINGTON, July 23 (UPI) -- The report of the joint congressional inquiry into the suicide hijackings on Sept. 11, 2001, to be published Thursday, reveals U.S. intelligence had no evidence that the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein was involved in the attacks, or that it had supported al-Qaida, United Press International has learned.

    "The report shows there is no link between Iraq and al-Qaida," said a government official who has seen the report.

    Former Democratic Georgia Sen. Max Cleland, who was a member of the joint congressional committee that produced the report, confirmed the official's statement....

    Former Democratic Georgia Sen. Max Cleland, who was a member of the joint congressional committee that produced the report, confirmed the official's statement.

    Asked whether he believed the report will reveal that there was no connection between al-Qaida and Iraq, Cleland replied: "I do ... There's no connection, and that's been confirmed by some of (al-Qaida leader Osama) bin Laden's terrorist followers."

    The revelation is likely to embarrass the Bush administration, which made links between Saddam's support for bin Laden -- and the attendant possibility that Iraq might supply al-Qaida with weapons of mass destruction -- a major plank of its case for war.

    "The administration sold the connection (between Iraq and al-Qaida) to scare the pants off the American people and justify the war," said Cleland. "What you've seen here is the manipulation of intelligence for political ends."

    The inquiry, by members of both the House and Senate intelligence committees, was launched in February last year amid growing concerns that failures by U.S. intelligence had allowed the 19 al-Qaida terrorists to enter the United States, hijack four airliners, and kill almost 3,000 people.

    Although the committee completed its work at the end of last year, publication of the report has been delayed by interminable wrangles between the committees and the administration over which parts of it could be declassified.

    Cleland accused the administration of deliberately delaying the report's release to avoid having its case for war undercut.

    "The reason this report was delayed for so long -- deliberately opposed at first, then slow-walked after it was created -- is that the administration wanted to get the war in Iraq in and over ... before (it) came out," he said.

    "Had this report come out in January like it should have done, we would have known these things before the war in Iraq, which would not have suited the administration."

    The case that administration officials made that al-Qaida was linked to Iraq was based on four planks.

    Firstly, the man suspected of being the ringleader of the Sept. 11 hijackers, Mohammed Atta, was supposed to have met with an Iraqi intelligence official in Prague, the capital of the Czech Republic, in April 2001. But Czech intelligence - the original source of the report - later recanted, and U.S. intelligence officials now believe that Atta was in the United States at the time of the supposed meeting.

    The Iraqi official, Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani is now in U.S. custody.

    Secondly, U.S. officials said Iraq was harboring an alleged al-Qaida terrorist named Abu Mussab al-Zakawi.

    But the government official who has seen the report poured scorn on the evidence behind this claim.

    "Because someone makes a telephone call from a country, does not mean that the government of that country is complicit in that," he told UPI.

    "When we found out there was an al-Qaida cell operating in Germany, we didn't say 'we have to invade Germany, because the German government supports al-Qaida.' ... There was no evidence to indicate that the Iraqi government knew about or was complicit in Zakawi's activities."

    Newsweek magazine has also reported that German intelligence agencies - having interrogated one of Zakawi's associates - believed that Zakawi was not even an al-Qaida member, but headed a rival Islamic terror group.

    Thirdly, defectors provided to U.S. intelligence by the then-exiled opposition group, the Iraqi National Congress, said that Islamic terrorists had been training to hijack airliners using a disused plane fuselage at a camp in Salman Pak in Iraq.

    "My understanding was that there was an alternate explanation for that," said the government official, suggesting that that they were doing counter terrorism training there. "I'm not saying that was the explanation, but there were other ways of looking at it."

    Fourthly, officials have cited a series of meetings in the 1980's and 1990's between Iraqi officials and al-Qaida members, especially in Sudan.

    Former CIA counter-terrorism analyst Judith Yaphe has questioned the significance of this data, "Every terrorist group and state sponsor was represented in Sudan (at that time)," she said recently, "How could they not meet in Khartoum, a small city offering many opportunities for terrorist tête-à-têtes."

    The government official added that the significance of such meetings was unclear: "Intelligence officials, including ours, meet with bad guys all around the world every day. That's their job. Maybe to get information from them, maybe to try and recruit them.

    "There are a series of alternative explanations for why two people like that might meet, and that's what we don't know."

    SO, this delayed report is going to be yet another big blow for them. Like getting kicked in the groin and then, upper-cut when you bend over and then, getting groined again before someone else socks you from your blindside and trips you, as one holds you while the other kicks you and robs you then, they both start kicking you while talking to you about it. You might even get pissed on when they're done...

    Just an old-skool ***-whuppin' we got started. The material I send to my major news sources gets aired within days, instead of months now. So, that means i'm getting in mY licks, too.

    ****, this makes me horny.