Black Spirituality Religion : Like the NOI is it time for a Nation of Christianity?

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  1. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Some folks are catching hell in the Black community, family wise, education, wise, economicaly, and emotionaly, and some are not because they have made serious and concrete plans for the future.

    Looking at the many ills in the Black community, drugs, crime, pregnant teens, gang activity, fatherless children, these pathologies have been squashed by those who are members of the Nation of Islam.

    Is it now time for a real pardigm structure to be embraced since the majority of Black folks in this nation are Christian, by the forming of a Nation of Christianity based on the same Pan African, Black Nationalist, and Self Sufficency Principles

    as the NOI??????????????
     
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    It would be tough.

    They may not wanna risk losing their tax exempt status and or 'favors'.

    History tells us that xianity was not administered as a means of empowering black folks, but as a means of subordination and or submissiveness.

    There are, come to think, a few out there using xianity as a tool of liberation like james cone and and jeremiah wright.

    While I'm at odds with abrahamic faiths, if they can be used as a tool for the liberation of black people in this existence, as noi with islam
    then I'm all for it.

    I'm interested in what our resident xians think about this suggestion.
     
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    How can it be a Nation of Christianity if its based on the same principles as the NOI? Are they thought of as being that similar nowadays?
     
  4. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    It would not be wise to leave out the slave trade of Islam in Africa or the Christian warlords who battled and killed thousands of arab slave traders;
    (Chancelor Williams, Dr. John Henrik Clarke)
    nor to leave out the Deacons for Defense who were the inspiration for the Black Panther Party, due to their eligious habit of sitting in trees with their sons and busting buck shot from sawed off shotguns, into the hind parts of the Klan when they invaded Black towns in the 50s, or Pastor Nat Turner, or Reverend Bevel, of the 60s, Adam Clayton Powell of Abbysinian Baptist Church, Reverand Herbert Daughtry, reverend Johnnie Young Blood, or priest Laurence Lucas of the December 12th Movement, but you do have a point, however the NOI pays no taxes either, and the majority of Black folks here are Christian, in fact Min Farakhan has worked with several pastors very closely, since the 70s as well as The Messenger, after the advice of Dr King.

    It had been the church, that had given representation to Malcolm X while in the nation, the Black Panther Party, The Republic of New Africa, US Ron Karenga, and protection for H Rap Brown during the 60s.

    To look at the fake preachers of the 21 century and say that typical of what is Christianity i in the Black neighborhood,
    is like comparing Lil Wayne to Sam Cooke or Otis Redding
     
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    THANATOS


    IN ALL HONESTLY, THIS IDEA IS LIKE UMMM 50 YEARS TOO LATE. CERTAIN THINGS ARE MEANT FOR CERTAIN "TIME" FRAME. IF THE SAID IDEA(S) ARE NOT IMPLEMENTED THEN THEY DRIFT OFF. A EXAMPLE OF THIS WOULD BE MARCHING AND SUCH, THAT IDEA IN A SENSE WAS FOR THAT ERA, BUT MARCHING TODAY REALISTICALLY WILL NOT ACCOMPLISH SQUAT. THIS IS KALI YUGA AND FOR THE "BLACK" PEOPLE TO RISE UP THEY NEED TO CHANGE TACTICS FOR KALI YUGA AND CHRISTIANITY IS NOT GOING TO DO IT. NOT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE BUT IF IT AINT WORKING, WHY CONTINUE WITH IT.
     
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    ^^yes it's time to start something new,The Honorable Elijah Muhammad stated this,he mentions a new "islam" or new way of living!
     
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    IMO, since the NOI and Christianity are both Abrahamic faiths, I would be quite pleased to see the two work together, fashioning a doable paradigm between them to approach the ills of our communities.....Why does it have to be ONE or the OTHER??

    IMO, Malcolm said it best in his "MESSAGE TO THE GRASS ROOTS"

    "...What you and I need to do is to learn to forget our differences. When we come together, we don't come together as Baptists or Methodists.

    You don't catch Hell because you're Baptist and you don't catch Hell because you're a Methodist.

    You don't catch Hell because you're a Democrat or Republican.

    You don't catch Hell because you're a Mason or an Elk.

    And you SURE don't catch Hell because you're an AMERICAN!

    Because if you were an AMERICAN, you wouldn't catch Hell!

    YOU CATCH HELL BECAUSE YOU'RE A BLACK MAN!

    YOU CATCH HELL.

    ALL OF US CATCH HELL FOR THE SAME REASON!

    So, we're ALL Black people, so-called Negroes, second-class citizens, ex-slaves.

    You're nothing but an ex-slave.

    You don't like being told that. But what else are you?

    You are all ex-slaves. You didn't come here on the 'MAYFLOWER.'

    You came here on a slave ship."
     
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    Ma'at Hetep

    Sistah Cherry Blossom.

    I knew one day we would agree on something, Lol. Outstanding response.
     
  9. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    i can understand your point but however,

    There is a world of diference between the relationship of those who practiced Islam in the Black community in Harlem and Chicago before the Messenger ,and their focus on uplifting the race, and the Nation of Islam and their work on uplifting the race.

    Creflo Dollar is still on television, but Reverand Price is not, because he had the audacity to have Black history and collective Economics classes and lectures given by Dr. Claude Anderson, on his television sermon broadcasts.

    Islam had been in the Black community for a long time before The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammed and the Church was as well, however no organization in the history of the planet has provided a working lasting and simple paradigm for Black folks in America of;
    Family structure of Father an Mother at home universaly,
    Man making the money, working and providing for his family,
    Children haveing a love for education,
    A drug and alcohol free society,
    A knowledge of ones history and who has tried to hide it,
    A cogent program of Self Sufficiency,
    A program of security safety survival and progress in case Capitalism falls,
    The reconditioning by virtue of a knowledge of self of previous hard core crimies, uncle toms, house negroes and massa lovers , into becoming brothers and sisters who are pillars of the community!
    A general concern for the common good and greater prosperity of the race globaly!
    And the imbedding subconciuosly of moral and ethical values to ensure the prosperity of their family and the further prosperity of their progeny, and it is in the light of these monumental accomplishments and many many more, which the church (as Elijah himself knew a Christian minister),
    did not unifiedly do,
    it mite be necessary for a more bolder,
    stronger and more dignified orgnization
    of Unified Black Nationalist Orientd Churches
    to come under the heading of some sort of orthodoxy similar to the Nation of Islam, and not to replace it
     
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    I can agree with you on the "time frame" point.

    Yes, everything has a "season" relative to its time and purpose.

    However, I don't think our "Marching" days have to necessarily be over.

    Now, I'm speaking figuratively, not literally when I say this...

    But, historically, different factions of Black leaders and groups have "marched" on their side of the street, preaching/teaching what he/she/they thought was best or most advantageous for us as a People.

    While Booker T. Washington was "marching" on one side of the street, W.E.B. Dubois was "marching" on the other side.

    When Marcus Garvey was "marching" on one side of the street, A. Phillip Randolph was "marching" on the other side.

    When Elijah Muhammad/Malcolm X were "marching" on one side of the street, M.L. King was "marching" on the other side.

    But, TODAY, we need to find a way that we can "march" together ON THE SAME SIDE of the street.

    We need to put aside those things which separate us. We need to put aside what we disagree on, especially spiritually and concentrate more on what we can agree on.

    Do we agree that our children are killing each?

    Do we agree that most Black homicides are perpetrated by other Black hands?

    Do we agree that many of our communities are riddled with crime and drugs?

    Do we agree that the Black Family Unit is an endangered entity?

    Do we agree that the effeminization of the Black male; the objectification of the Black woman; the hyper-masculinity of the Black male (gotta be HARD!); the "INDEPENDENT" Black woman ("I don't need a man!); the out-of-wedlock births; the teen pregnancies; the glorifying of crime and promiscuity; and all the other ills which affect US is what we have in COMMON?

    Can we just come together and "MARCH" on these things?
     
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