Libya : Libya, The Truth

Thanks for posting this. Things are often not black and white and waters sometimes are muddy. Information has been brought forth from various points of view and sources on what is occurring on the African Continent and in other parts of the region. I think it wise not to lay in wait for an opportunity to poke or prod a fellow member over these events. I think it wise to pay attention, weigh what one learns of the events there and avoid using blanket statements based on race, religion, or nationality when speaking of peoples, places, and events now taking place in those most ancient of lands. And to be careful when using modern terminology like the word Arab, lest you forget or never learn that Libyans are Libyans first. An ancient people by their aboriginal black ancestry of various cultures. That word Arab can cause confusion, deception, and misunderstanding. There is complicated turmoil in that region of the world. Winds of change? The gathering?

Libyans call themselves Arabs, some will even say (while in Libya) ''I AM GOING TO AFRICA TOMORROW'' in reference to making a trip to West, South, or Central Africa...

This is why the Arab league is so keen on protecting the Country(that and the Oil)... if they saw them as ''Africans'' they wouldn't give two hoots about the Country..
 
If Qaddafi is such a saint, and a true Pan Africanist then why would he make a so called ''apology'' for the ''Arab slave trade'' but the Ignore the situation going on Sudan?....a Country that is almost next door him?

until i speak with Libyans or West Africans who have lived in Libya.. i don't believe anything i read.

This dude throws around too much money for my liking....

In terms of throwing around money.......


In Britain, critics Monday blasted the 2007 “deal in the desert” between Kadafi and then-Prime Minister Tony Blair to try to normalize relations between their nations. The effort came in spite of such major sore points as the deadly 1988 terrorist bombing of a Pan Am airliner over Lockerbie, Scotland, which killed 270 people and was blamed on Libya.
The growing rapprochement between London and Tripoli facilitated an oil exploration deal by BP worth more than $800 million. The British government has provided a few million dollars in development aid, and British arms dealers have reportedly sold millions of dollars’ worth of equipment to Libya, including tear gas and bullets — a lucrative trade that has taken on sinister implications in light of Kadafi’s response to the demonstrations.
The British government has now revoked export licenses to Libya for riot-control gear, the Guardian newspaper reported. And Prime Minister David Cameron, in Cairo for the first visit by a Western leader to post-revolution Egypt, strongly condemned Kadafi’s crackdown.
“The brutal oppression by the regime is completely appalling and unacceptable,” Cameron said Monday.
http://www.shoah.org.uk/2011/03/04/zionist-blair-ties-to-kadafi/


I was an avowed Pan Africanist until Sekou Toure, then Kadafi began their "rapproachement" policies.

That signaled the death of radical Pan Africanism.
 
It's been known that Gadhafi is a pan-africanist which is probably one of many reasons why the West is supporting these "revolutions". Gadhafi has also nationalized their oil supply. There are many movements like pan-africanism, pan-asianism, and a united colored nations alliance which combines all of them. This is by far the biggest threat to whites because they see all this unity that excludes them. The west always wants to be in control and they want to be everywhere.

When he pronounced himself the “king of kings” on the African continent, Moammar Gadhafi was widely seen as a buffoon and a megalomaniac.

But behind the absurd titles, behind the crown and sceptre that were awarded to him by his hand-picked collection of African tribal monarchs, Col. Gadhafi had a profound impact on Africa. And for better or worse, he will leave a vacuum behind him on the African landscape if he is toppled from power in Libya.


Col. Gadhafi was the last major global leader who promoted the dream of pan-African unity. He had his own self-interested reasons for this quixotic campaign, of course, since his own ambition was to become the powerful ruler of a new United States of Africa. But his disappearance from the political stage would remove the last remaining enthusiast for a European-style political union in Africa.

“Without Gadhafi, the pan-African movement is dead,” said Laura Seay, a political scientist at Morehouse College in Atlanta who specializes in African politics.

“He was the only prominent voice driving that movement. He was keeping those ideas alive. There’s nobody else with the financial resources available.”

Under his grandiose ambitions, the United States of Africa would have its own common army, its own passport, and its own currency (to be named, he said solemnly, “the Afro”).

There was little chance that this scheme could succeed in a badly divided continent, and there was little practical support for his ideas at the African Union, even when he served as the AU chairman from 2009 to 2010. But by tirelessly marketing this idea, he kept alive the dream that Africa could overcome its differences and find some form of unity. After him, the dreams will be smaller.

Col. Gadhafi, one of the wealthiest leaders on the continent, did not hesitate to use Libya’s vast oil money to buy political influence across Africa. This money, in turn, helps to pay for peacekeeping missions, humanitarian aid, infrastructure projects, political organizations, and support for fragile states.

In his drive to transform the African Union into a single government under his personal dominance, he became one of the AU’s biggest benefactors. Libya provided 15 per cent of the AU’s membership dues. It also paid for the dues of many smaller and poorer countries. If his 42 years of authoritarian rule are ending, the AU will struggle to keep its financing intact.

“It would change the African Union’s dynamics completely,” Prof. Seay said. “The AU would become less effective. He’s been such a key player in the AU. What will it mean for peacekeeping in Somalia and Darfur? Those peacekeeping missions are already hanging by a thread – they’re already so under-equipped and under-staffed.”

The AU peacekeeping force in Somalia, with its 8,000 troops battling against the Islamic radicals who threaten to seize control of the war-torn country, could be weakened if the AU loses the money that Col. Gadhafi provided. A similar peacekeeping mission in Darfur, whose 20,000 troops are supported by the AU and the United Nations, could be similarly jeopardized if the AU loses its Libyan money.

Beyond the peacekeeping missions, a host of smaller African countries have become dependent on Col. Gadhafi as a source of aid money, infrastructure projects and military support. Fragile states such as Chad and the Central African Republic have needed Libya’s support when they were threatened with coups. Poorer countries such as Liberia, Mali and Niger have relied on Libya for financial support and investment. Libya has won praise for providing humanitarian aid to the Darfuri refugees in Chad, and for helping to forge a ceasefire between Chad and Sudan.

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Most of his donations and loans, certainly, were intended to advance his personal ambitions. Earlier in his career, Col. Gadhafi had campaigned for pan-Arab unity, seeing himself as a “man of history.” But when Libya was isolated on the global stage as a result of the sanctions imposed on it for its support of international terrorism in the 1980s and 1990s, he became furious that the Arab nations seemed indifferent to him. He turned, instead, to Africa, where his support seemed greater.

“After moving on from his dream of pan-Arab leadership, Gadhafi funnelled billions of dollars into cultivating relationships in sub-Saharan Africa that would facilitate his leadership of the African Union,” the U.S. embassy in Tripoli reported in 2009 in a confidential cable obtained by WikiLeaks.

Col. Gadhafi opted to use “dinar diplomacy” – a reference to the Libyan currency – to create a “new and larger sphere of influence,” the embassy said in the cable.

It described how the Libyan dictator had ordered his personal designers to incorporate African maps and images into his vast collection of clothing, including a large green Africa-shaped brooch, a camouflage-style tunic with Africa-shaped patterns, and a jersey emblazoned with portraits of famous African leaders.

Most Libyans still saw themselves as Arabs, but Col. Gadhafi worked ceaselessly to portray his country as African, the cable said. “A domestic propaganda campaign designed to represent Libya as an African state was also undertaken: billboards and larger-than-life murals depict Gadhafi emerging, messiah-like, from a glowing green Libya into an embracing African continent.”

Despite the long-standing conflicts between Washington and Tripoli, the U.S. diplomats actually saw Col. Gadhafi as a constructive and useful player on some African issues. “When approached with appropriate deference, Libya can be an effective actor – leveraging support and connections on the continent to secure our foreign-policy interests, as it has done (to an extent) in Chad, Sudan and Somalia,” the embassy cable said.

If the Libyan strongman now disappears ignominiously from the stage, one of the biggest winners will be China. Until now, Libya was one of the few countries that could challenge Beijing’s mounting influence in Africa. Libya was one of the few powers with enough money and ambition to offer an alternative to China as a source of investment and financing for African nations.

If the long-ruling dictator is finally toppled, Libya’s ambitions are likely to become much smaller and more modest. In the aftermath, China could emerge as an even stronger power on the African continent.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/w...-african-unity/article1915485/?service=mobile
 
Libyans call themselves Arabs, some will even say (while in Libya) ''I AM GOING TO AFRICA TOMORROW'' in reference to making a trip to West, South, or Central Africa...

Libyans may. It does not however change the fact that Arab is a solidarity term when convenient and at best, and a term of confusion and deception at worst. I have no problem with Libyans or "Arabs" saying they are going to Africa while in Libya. Why should I? I do understand what you are saying though, in that by doing so they are trying to separate themselves. Here is one for you, CNN has been referring to North Africa as the Middle East. :bully:.

This is why the Arab league is so keen on protecting the Country(that and the Oil)... if they saw them as ''Africans'' they wouldn't give two hoots about the Country.. No argument from me.
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I am going to take some issue with you on this...

It's been known that Gadhafi is a pan-africanist which is probably one of many reasons why the West is supporting these "revolutions". Gadhafi has also nationalized their oil supply. There are many movements like pan-africanism, pan-asianism, and a united colored nations alliance which combines all of them. This is by far the biggest threat to whites because they see all this unity that excludes them. The west always wants to be in control and they want to be everywhere.

Its been known that Gadhafi WAS a Pan African in theory, but in practice that went out the window when he transformed his Pan African Legion into a mercenary force and then started making arms deals with the French and Italians.

The Islamic Legion (Arabic الفيلق الإسلامي al-Failaka al-Islamiya[1]) (aka Islamic Pan-African Legion) was a Libyan-sponsored pan-Arab paramilitary force, created in 1972. The Legion was part of Muammar al-Gaddafi's dream of creating the Great Islamic State of the Sahel.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Legion


I have dropped more than enough information concerning this the last few days and wont rehash what has been posted in other threads.

However I will reiterate the following point:

In 1972, Gaddafi created the Islamic Legion as a tool to unify and Arabize the region. The priority of the Legion was first Chad, and then Sudan. In Darfur, a western province of Sudan, Gaddafi supported the creation of the Arab Gathering (Tajammu al-Arabi), which according to Gérard Prunier was "a militantly racist and pan-Arabist organization which stressed the 'Arab' character of the province."[1] The two organizations shared members and a source of support, and the distinction between the two is often ambiguous.

I think you realy ned to study what happened, and who was responsible for what happened in Darfur, as well as the failure and split into factionalism within FROLINAT.

Gaddafi later embraced (or gave the appearance of doing so) after the collapse of the Arab Baath Socialist Party alliance between Syria and Iraq, as well as the failed movement of POLISARIO in western Sahara.

I personally worked with these movements and know their descent into factionalism well.
 

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