Black People : LET'S TALK ABOUT GODPARENTS IN IFA AND ORISA

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  1. Kongolini Zulu Mau

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    KONGOLINI ZULU MAU
    LET'S TALK ABOUT GODPARENTS IN IFA AND ORISA Aboru, Aboye, Abosise and greetings to all devotees of Ifa,Orisa, and Egungun . Let it be known from the start, there is no such thing as godparents in Ifa, Orisa, and Egungun study, practice and worship. This myth hails from Catholocism, the Catholic church has created this concept of parenting. In the catholic church the biological parents of a child will choose two individuals a male and a female. It is not even necessary that the two individuals are married. These two individuals pledge allegiance to this child in a christening ceremony, that if anything should happen to the biological parents the godparents will step in and assume the continuing rearing of the child. Note: you have the right to call anyone by any label, sticker, tag, or title that you so choose. But know and understand there is no godparent concept in Ifa and Orisa. Ifa is built and established on a premise of teachers and students in which the entitlement is clear and speaks for itself loudly. How is one to reap the great benefit of the many teachers that Ifa and Orisa have to offer if you are enslaved, tied and obligated to a godparent or godparents who are under the understanding that you are to be of great benefit to them and not them you. Those of us who carry the name of Babalawo, Iyanifa, Babalorisa, and Olorisa are servants of the people and not to be mistaken or confused with the understanding of African royalty (kings and queens). Do not allow yourself to fall victim to the king and queen and loyal subject complex. It is time to put this myth to rest. Even Olodumare is not our father or mother, it is a creator and creation relationship. We are born with two sets of parents, biological and spiritual. Our spiritual parents are our Orisa parents. Two sets not three. A babalawo is a father, messenger, and teacher of Ifa, An iyanifa is a mother of Ifa, caretaker of Ifa and caregiver of the people. An orisa priest/priestess is a father of orisa/mother of orisa, caretaker of orisa and caregiver of the people, etc. We must stop feeding into what is popular. A high level of popularity is not an indication or a manifestation of truth. Most high levels of popularity come from being a person who tells a bunch of people what they want to hear and not what they need to hear. We must destroy this level of codependency that some of us have created and have allowed others to create for us. It is time to see clear and again put to rest all of this godfather, godmother, godbrother, and godsister madness. If you come across an Ifa elder who has a temple and you join, you have now become a member of that Ifa temple. Same rule of thumb if you join someones ile or egbe. You have now become a member of a group of individuals that have or should have sworn some form of allegiance to its leadership. In life we walk a path on a journey to understanding our destiny and what is needed to navigate that course of action are good teachers for we are students of the multifaceted aspects of life. Stop looking for what you already have and what you want and start pursuing that which you need. You need a good teacher. You need to be a good student. Because you need divine knowledge, wisdom and understanding to set the foundation , structure, and the premise of your life's journey. Going back, case in point, we create obstacles and roadblocks for ourselves living outside of the order and dynamic of Ifa, Orisa and the ancestors. Under the umbrella of the godparent myth, what happens if the awo(babalawo) is unmarried and waiting on Ifa to send him a wife and there are women in his Ile Ifa that Ifa is waiting to come of age and maturity mentally, physically, and spiritually in their Ifa and Orisa study practice and worship understanding and one day when the awo has one of these women on the mat Ifa brings to his attention that she is the one the awo is to take, love and respect as his wife. How would this now come to past? When the awo has been addressing this woman as his god-daughter. See the confusion. And it will bring about the same form of confusion when the time comes for the awo to navigate other members to each other. Again how will this come to past? if these individuals are under the impression that he/she is my godbrother or godsister. It will be as what it is today, a recipe for disaster. Life is about adding not subtracting. We are to live our lives adding to the different aspects of our lives. Adding is building and building is growing strong. We must weigh the pros and cons of any given situation. Life and learning, growing and progressing in Ifa and Orisa is common sense based. Now what I have learned in my Life is that common sense is everything but common. A good teacher will always leave a student with a clear understanding of things to the very best of that teacher's ability. if you have a teacher or teachers and you are still walking around in a state of confusion entertaining many questions that is something that you need to address. There are so many individuals who have embraced this godparent myth to such a degree that they cannot even respectfully leave the company of those who are not teaching them, growing them and progressing them, because of this godparent obligation that they have taken on. To think about leaving a so-called godparent leaves the godchild in a state of feeling that they are being unloyal and doing something wrong. It is a mind game people. You are being played with like the cat to the mouse. These so-called godparents want a lifelong allegiance aka SLAVERY. Do not allow anyone to mentally, physically or spiritually enslave you. Anyone would gladly stay and keep the company of those who are teaching, growing and progressing them but the question is are you growing and progressing with whom you are keeping company? Allow no one to obligate you to them. If you are a part of something that does not fulfill you mentally, physically and spiritually but your position is more of a benefit to the so-called godparent and not yourself, that is a problem. In the teacher-student relationship the student is the benefactor of knowledge. In the student-teacher relationship the teacher is supposed to be of great benefit to the student and the student is of great benefit to the teacher by way of properly representing that which has been taught. I am Akoda Awo and I stand committed!!​
     
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    Aboru Aboye Abosise To all practitioners and devotees of Ifa, Egungun, and Orisa. Let my words be warmly and respectfully received as they reflect the truth pertaining to Ifa. There is a very big misconception pertaining to not only Ifa but the whole concept of priests and priestesses and how they come into fruition. They are born not made, purchased, or manufactured. And the 256 Odu Ifa makes it perfectly clear there are only a handful of odus that speak to the manifestations of a priest of Ifa. Real Awos/Babalawos and Iyanifas are few and far between. In my travels to Nigeria over the years I have only encountered three Iyanifas. This destiny was understood on the third day of their existence when Ifa was consulted and they were groomed, tempered and trained from that point over the continuing span of their life. All three of these women are over the age of 50. And til this day two of them are in Nigeria and one is in Mexico. Two are now over 70 and one in her late sixties. AND PLEASE LET IT BE CLEAR AND UNDERSTOOD WHAT IM SAYING HERE I AM NOT SAYING THESE ARE THE ONLY THREE IYANIFAS IN THE WORLD , NOR AM I SAYING THERE ARE NO REAL IYANIFAS OUTSIDE THE BORDERS OF YORUBALAND. What I am saying is , check your odu thoroughly before you take on the labels stickers tags and titles, beads, crowns, and clothes of priests, priestesses and chiefs. Because those of you who have not taken out the time to thoroughly, spiritually, investigate your destiny are turning this great tradition into a circus of epic proportion. And many of you are being clowned right to your face and you don't even know it. Ask questions always , even when your being told what you want to hear. Ask for the verse of your odu that states that you are a Babalawo, Iyanifa, or Chief for everything is born out of the 256 Odu Ifa. In Yorubaland, the overwhelming majority of the individuals within the Ifa, Orisa, Egungun community are not Babalawo, Iyanifas or Olorisa priests and priestesses, they are devotees. There are way more individuals with hands of Ifa than actually initiated to Ifa. But in the world outside of Yorubaland everybody and their Mother is under the impression that you can wake up one day, half blowin' zzz's up the wall, slobbin on the pillow and jump up , go run out and become a priest or a priestess like picking up taco bell in a drive-thru, don't even have to go inside, don't even have to get out of the car. Spirituality is not a GAME, especially pertaining to the coming together of its hierarchy of leadership and its practitioner representatives. Each one of the 256 odu that you receive either by a hand of Ifa or Ifa initiation makes it very clear what your calling is. But yet I am consistently and constantly crossing paths with individuals that are under a deep impression that because they have been initiated to Ifa that they are called to fill the shoes and walk the path as a communal priest. And this is a falsehood of the highest level. The overwhelming majority of the members of society that occupy different geographical areas of the world are not even fit to be president of their resident location. And presidents have cabinets with plenty of individuals hard at work on their behalf. A Babalawo/Iyanifa is of the highest order of the priest pantheon. To be a high priest or high priestess or priest or priestess in any spiritual regard requires an above average level of intelligence and education, divine knowledge, wisdom, and understanding with a whole lot of common sense and a strong elder teacher mentorship base, structure with that persons odu Ifa being a point of focus and pinnacle goal on the path of their priesthood, on a most difficult journey to achieving their destiny. So for those of you who feel that the Ifa shoes of leadership and priesthood are that easy to fill, after doing so, why don't you just run for president? I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ON CSPAN! -Kongolini Zulu Mau-​
     
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