Black Spirituality Religion : Leaving the Doctrine of Christ?

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  1. ru2religious

    ru2religious Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Hebrews 6:1
    1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

    Hebrews 6:1 is one of the most telling scriptures in the New Testament of Paul's intentions for a new religious order altogether. In this script he implies leaving the doctrine of Christ to go unto perfection as though the doctrine of Christ was not perfection. In Hebrews chapter six Jesus Christ wasn't even greater then Melchizedek but under the order of Melchizedek and not Melchizedek under his order.

    So then the question now becomes - what was Paul's true intention? We know his intention was to abandon the order of the Pharisees but why when he had already committed so many atrocities under the order of the Pharisees having been a Pharisees and the son of one (Acts 23:6 & Philippians 3:5)?

    In order to get a better understanding of why he left the order you have to know what the order truly was.

    In the New Testament which is the only place that actually named this order it states that the word Pharisee in Greek means 'to separate' having its root in the Hebrew word Parash which again is 'to separate'. So in a sense you can basically say that the Pharisees were separatist yet I declare and even more power root to the word Pharisees and not that of an Egyptian connection as I once though.

    According to the so-called history of the Jews the Pharisees order began when King Cyrus of the Persians allowed the Israelites to go back to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple. What we have to understand is that the ancient Persians spoke Aramaic as did the ancient Hebrews who were enslaved to the Babylonians (pseudo-history if you ask me).

    Nevertheless, I was just sitting here thinking about Apostle Paul and him being a Pharisee so I began to write about the ancient order of the Pharisees when it dawned on me that the word Farsi (Iranian language) and Pharisee (ph having the 'f' sound) where the same exact word. So then I looked for the word 'Persian' in my Strong's Concordance and what did I find? The Hebrew word 'Parsiy' which is pronounced par-see without the 'i' sound. The order of the Pharisees is none other then the Persians order Pharsis having been schooled in the knowledge of Zorastrianism.

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    Zorastrianism (Parsis)

    Founded in Persia by the prophet Zarathustra in the 6th or 7th Century BC, Zorastrianism is one of the oldest religions in the world. He was born in Mazar-i-Sharif, which is now in Afghanistan. The followers of Zorastrianism are known as Pharsis since they originally fled to India to escape persecution in Persia.
    http://www.diehardindian.com/demogrph/moredemo/zorastrm.htm

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    What was it about this order that lead Paul to abandon the ideology? Paul began to realize that Pharisees and the Sadducee were not following the ancient ideas of Zoroastrianism as was deemed.

    Acts 23:6-8 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. 7 And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided. 8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.

    Please Note: The Zoroastrianism religious concept was that of the hope and resurrection of the dead which is exactly what Paul professed in the scriptures above. http://tenets.zoroastrianism.com/zor33.html

    Now please remember that the Pharisees are none other then the Pharsis of the Zoroastrian religion. It was the Pharsis of Zoroastrianism who believed in angels and spirits just as the pharisees of the Acts 23:6-8 so it is clear that Paul was of Zoroastrian order of Pharsis/Pharisees. What made Paul leave this order which was the order of his father? Paul left not because he was knocked off of a horse by light and was blinded but because of the confusion and bickering between the two orders. The Apostle Paul then began to learn the teachings of the Essene - the teachings of the Gnostic Egyptians and began to teach but without letting go of the Persian (Zoroastrian) believe in the savior (Soashyant) born of a virgin that would raise the dead (resurrection of the dead) for the final battle against evil.

    Paul saw how the Pharisees and Sadducee was using man made laws against the people as he was apart of it but then he rejected the ways of man and wanted to focus strictly upon the spiritual aspect of his religious ideology. There was no such thing as Christianity in Paul's time and neither was it in the time of the so-called Apostles -

    So now back to the original leaving the doctrine of Christ - why? Was Paul prone to leaving doctrines as he left his Pharsis/Pharisees doctrine? The Christ doctrine was in fact an Egyptian doctrine of the Krst or even an Indian dotrine of Krishna but what was he leaving it for? Our answer can be found in the very next scriptures:

    Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

    Zoroaster baptized with water, fire and “holy wind.” (Lk 3:16)
    Zoroaster taught of the resurrection of the dead (remember Paul in Acts as a Pharisees/Pharsis spoke of the resurrection of the dead) and of course eternal judgement.


    Paul was trying to get back to the his old spiritual belief which was in that of God and not the Sun/Son of Man aka Christ.



    Peace and Blessings





    Ru2religious
     
  2. RAPTOR

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    Interesting that you mention, "Apostle Paul then began to learn the teachings
    of the Essene - the teachings of the Gnostic Egyptians".

    I read in kuhn's, "Shadow of the Third Century" that:

    "Paul himself had been a member of the Eleusinian, Dionysiac or Bacchic
    Mystery schools." I am trying find other sources that corroborate with
    that claim.

    But for the most part, it seems to suggest that paul's 'contribution' to said
    faith was of so called pagan origin. And that it may have even contributed
    much to xian thought.
     
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    THE WORSHIP OF MITHRAS AND SERAPIS.
    p. 114


    "O voi ch’ avete gl’ intelletti sani,
    Mirate la dottrina che s’asconde
    Sotto il velame degli versi strani."

    "Salve vera Deûm facies, vultusque paterne,
    Octo et sexcentis numeris cui litera trina
    Conformat sacrum nomen, cognomen et
    Omen. (Mart. Capella. Hymn. ad Sol.)


    ΦΡΗ = ϒΗC = =

    p. 115

    THE WORSHIP OF MITHRAS.
    I. ORIGIN OF MITHRAICISM.
    THE innumerable monuments of every kind bequeathed to us by the widely-spread worship of the deity styled Mithras, serve, at the same time, copiously to illustrate the important contributions of Zoroastrian doctrine towards the composition of Gnosticism. The Mithraic religion, according to Plutarch, first made its appearance in Italy upon Pompey's reduction of the Cilician Pirates, of whom it was the national worship; * a and who, when broken up into colonists and slaves all over Italy, propagated it amongst their conquerors. In the new soil the novel religion flourished so rapidly as, in the space of two centuries, to supersede (coupled with the earlier introduced Serapis worship) the primitive Hellenic and Etruscan deities. In fact, long before this final triumph over the sceptical, Pliny appears disposed to accept Mithraicism, in its essential principle, as the only religion capable of satisfying a rational inquirer; as may be deduced from this noble passage (ii. 4): "Eorum medius Sol fervidus, amplissima magnitudine, nec temporum modo terrarumque sed siderum etiam ipsorum cœlique Rector. Hanc esse mundi totius animam ac planius mentem, nunc principale Naturæ regimen ac Numen credere decet, opera ejus æstimantes. Hic lumen rebus ministrat, aufertque tenebras, hic reliqua

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/gno/gar/gar17.htm
     
  4. Omowale Jabali

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    sidera occultat, illustrat; hic vices temporum annumque semper renascentem ex usu Naturæ temperat, hic cœli tristitiam discutit, atque etiam humani nubila animi serenat: hic suum lumen cæteris quoque sideribus fœnerat; præclarus, eximius, omnia intuens, omnia etiam exaudiens; at principi literarum Homero placuisse in uno eo video. Quapropter effigiem Dei formamque quærere imbecillitatis humanæ rear. Quisquis est Deus, si modo est alius, et quacunque in parte, totus est senses, totus visus, totus auditus, totus animæ, totus animi, totus sui." Thus, during the second and third centuries of the Roman Empire, Mithras and Serapis had come almost to engross the popular worship, even to the remotest limits of the known world. For Mithraicism was originally the religion taught by Zoroaster, although somewhat changed and materialized so as better to assimilate itself to the previously established Nature Worship of the West. Under this grosser form it took its name from Mithras, who in the Zendavesta is not the Supreme Being (Ormuzd), but the Chief of the subordinate Powers, the Seven Amshaspands. Mithra is the Zend name for the sun, the proper mansion of this Spirit, but not the Spirit himself. Hence the great oath of Artaxerxes Mnemon was, "By the light of Mithras," a counterpart of the tremendous adjuration of our William the Conqueror, "By the Splendour of God!" But the materialistic Greeks at once identified the Persian Spirit with their own substantial Phœbus and Hyperion. Thus Ovid has,


    "Placat equo Persis radiis Hyperiona cinctum." (Fasti I. 335.)

    In this view of his nature Mithras was identified with other types of the Sun-god, such as the "Phanaces" of Asia Minor, and the "Dionysos" of Greece; and thereby soon usurped the place of the latter in the long established Mysteries, the ancient Dionysia. The importance into which the Mithraica had grown by the middle of the second century may be estimated from a fact mentioned by Lampridius, that the emperor himself (Commodus) condescended to be initiated into them. Nay more, with their penances, and tests of the courage of the neophyte, they may be said to have been maintained by unbroken tradition through the secret societies of the Middle Ages, then by the Rosicrucians,
     
  5. Omowale Jabali

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    The pagan theme of Christ, as was a popular part of Roman mystery religions and folklore, was combined with the Hebrew Yeshua story by Paul and his subsequent followers. It was Mithraism that probably provided the greatest influence of all the mystery religions, as Tarsus was a heavily Mithraist place. Tarsus was a very old seaport, over 2000 years old, and Mithraism was popular there with shrines and imagery stretching as far West as the Danube river. Paul no doubt found a large audience there for his preaching of Jesus, the new Christ, and for the story of salvation, as Mithraism contained many compatible and defining features of his Christ theory. This is why Christianity came to have so many rituals and beliefs in common with Mithraism, even down to the same wording used in prayers.

    http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/paul.html
     
  6. Ankhur

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    kinda bizarre since the doctrine of Christ is not mentioned

    One can get more information from a Glenn Beck article on the history of the Black Liberation Army


    Kinda strange to knock something one does not understand
     
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    Mithraism was popular in the Roman Empire with many Emperors following, not just the populace. It had seven sacraments, the same as the Catholic Church, baptism, and communion with bread and water. The Eucharist hosts were signed with a cross, an ancient phallic symbol which originated in Egypt, and the Egyptian cross (the ankh) still shows the original form which included the female symbol.

    ”More important even than the Vedic and Zoroastrian influences, the Mithras cult had a strong impact on Christianity. Mithras was the son of Ormuzd, and as a god of light himself, he engaged the powers of darkness, Ahriman and his host, in a bitter struggle. Mithras triumphed and cast his adversaries into the nether world. Mithras, too, raised the dead and will find them at the end of time. He, too, will relegate the wicked to hell and establish the millennial kingdom. [...]

    Drews, too, believes that it was the influence of Persian, notably Mithraic, thought which led to the gradual transformation of the human figure of Jesus into a Godhead. Robertson thinks that the rock-tomb resurrection of Jesus is a direct transference of Mithras' rock birth, and that Jesus also became a sun-god like Mithras, so that they share their birthday at the winter solstice. Robertson, Niemojewski, Volney and others assert that as son-god Jesus had twelve apostles representing the twelve houses of the zodiac.”

    "Jesus Versus Christianity" by Alfred Reynolds (1993)1

    Zoroastrianism
    The roots of Mithraism go back to Zoroastrianism, a Persian religion that became popular in Greece from 390BCE. It placed Mithras in the role of a deity equal to the sun god. Its priests were Magi; the same Magi assumed to visit Bethlehem when Jesus was born.

    www.avesta.org/avesta.html - Zoroastrian Archives
    www.Zarathushtra.com


    http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/mithraism.html
     
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    St. Paul and Mithraism
    Paul seems to have been part of a conspiracy on the part of the House of Herod, to subvert the emerging Christian movement, by conforming it to their occult doctrines. Paul was from Tarsus, the capitol city of Cilicia, the very hub of the intrigues that produced the Mithraic religion. In addition, according to Robert Eisenmen, in Paul as a Herodian, there is evidence, in the New Testament, early Church literature, Rabbinic literature, and Josephus, to suggest some connection between Paul and so-called “Herodians.”

    http://www.irishoriginsofcivilization.com/appendices/cultofmithras.html
     
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    I thought only white supremists refute something, witout describing what it is they refute?
     
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    :?:So what exatly is the doctrine of Christ?

    (watch how this simple question gets ducked out):em2100:
     
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