Black Spirituality Religion : Knowledge—Clearer and Sharper Than Ever Before

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    Knowledge—Clearer and Sharper Than Ever Before

    Ramanath (Bombay) asked that why such wonderful knowledge was not revealed by previous human incarnations. Lakshman (Bombay) asked that why My knowledge is becoming sharper and sharper day by day. Both these questions have the same answer. The first question was in a macro-scale and second question was in a micro-scale. As generations passed, human beings have become more and sharper by the development of scientific logical analysis. Therefore, a better knowledge is revealed at present. Similarly, as My devotees become sharper and sharper, My knowledge is also becoming sharper and sharper.

    The same God existed in the previous human incarnations also, and possessed the complete knowledge. In this human body the same God exists everyday and God is not sharpened day by day! The Veda says that the body is the chariot (car). The senses are horses (wheels). The mind is the controlling reins of horses (steering rod). The soul is the owner of chariot sitting in the chariot (car). If the driver is an ignorant person, the car will meet with an accident and owner will die. Similarly, if you are proceeding in the spiritual path using your own intelligence or a wrong preacher as your driver, you are bound to go to the hell and fall in the liquid fire in the wrong path. If the driver is a human incarnation like Krishna, you are sure to travel in the right path and reach the final goal successfully like Arjuna. In the darkness, your eyes cannot lead you in the right path and you will certainly deviate. But the human incarnation is like the torch light and will lead you on the right path.

    I am giving this divine knowledge step by step with certain gaps in between. The reason is that if the total divine knowledge is revealed, a real devotee will burst with surprise on understanding the total concept at single instance. A farmer won one lakh [hundred thousand] in a lottery. He was informed that he won the one lakh rupee lottery. He was so shocked and surprised that he died immediately. Therefore, this wonderful knowledge revealed in a single instance will shock the real devotee. The devotee may become mad or may even leave the body. The Gita says that the devotee hears the knowledge from God with infinite wonder (Ascharyavat…). I am giving the gaps so that you are deviated by such intervals. The interval will immerse you in Maya and thus dilute your seriousness and wonder. The Lord not only knows the divine spiritual knowledge but also knows the method of injecting the knowledge based on the withstanding capacity of the receiver.
     
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    Fail Safe

    This is true (That is to say "I agree")

    Maya...as a buffer or security blanket has its purpose for the uninitiated and the devotee.
     
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    Mula Maya, Maha Maya and Maya


    The world is a composite of

    1) Primary energy (Mula Maya),

    2) Matter, awareness and different forms of energy like light, heat etc. (Maha Maya) and

    3) The forms of matter and feelings of awareness (Maya).

    For the soul only Maya is unreal because soul being awareness is in the higher plane. The soul is a part of Maha Maya. Maya is like the drama which is restricted to the roles and dialogues including actions (feelings). The actors, dresses, lights and stage constitute Maha Maya which remains even after the drama. Even if these items of Maha Maya are removed, the ground remains eternal which is like the Mula Maya. Therefore, with reference to the soul, only the drama is unreal.

    The Unreal world for the soul is restricted to the Maya only. If you define the world as Maha Maya and Mula Maya, it is real for the soul. If you define the world as Maya, Maha Maya and Mula Maya put together, it is mixture of reality and unreality and hence can neither be stated as real nor unreal (Mithya of Shankara). If you restrict the world to Maya only, it is nothing (Shunyam of Buddhists and Asat of Gaudapada). If you restrict the world to Maha Maya and Mula Maya, it is real (Sat of Ramanuja and Madhva). Therefore, with reference to the soul the world can be real or unreal or a mixture of both according to the limitations of the restricted part of the creation.

    If the reference is changed from soul to God, the entire creation is unreal because there is nothing other than God. But to prove the reality of the entertainment of God, the world has to be real for God also and this requires the separate existence of the world. A negligible part of God might have been modified into the world so that both the concepts can be simultaneously maintained.

    A negligible quantity can be treated almost nil. Such modification can be treated as real (Parinama) or apparent (Vivarta). It is immaterial because the modified part is very much negligible. But in any case, the knowledge of the nature of God becomes essential. All this can be accepted if you place the primary energy in the place of God. But the primary energy is only the first creation of God. Therefore, all this analysis ends with only the first item of the creation (Primary energy). The link between God and Primary energy is unimaginable since God Himself is unimaginable. This is the analysis that can be done with the help of scriptures, science and logic and experience of liberated souls. We can combine these two concepts and arrive at Primary energy charged by unimaginable God as the starting point to avoid defects from both sides. Now the problem is solved.
     
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    The analysis of Maya revels that the unreal factors cause the real disturbance. All the worldly bonds are just feelings on certain forms. The bond (feeling) and the bonded (form) are found unreal on analysis. The form of a beautiful girl is unreal because the reality is only Matter. The glamour of shining is only a color generated based on certain frequency of the light energy. Thus, color is an unreal form of light.

    The sweet love expressed by her is also unreal form of awareness. Therefore, the beautiful form of matter, the glamorous color of light and the sweet love of the awareness are totally unreal if isolated from their corresponding real matter, real light and real awareness. If this Maya is not analyzed, even a great sage like Viswamitra sitting in constant devotion to God is dragged out by the dancer from the heaven. Similarly, all the worldly bonds are only feelings established by some rigid social convention.

    The bonds in this life did not exist in the previous birth and will not exist in the future birth. They are only temporary and hence unreal (Tat krutakamhi..Shankara). Reality is eternal. Once king Janaka asked the sages to tell about the previous birth of his queen. The sages kept silent for a long time. But the sages reveled the truth due to continuous pressure from Janaka. They told that the wife was his mother in the previous birth! Since the bond is unreal, neither she was mother nor is she the wife of Janaka. Mother and wife and son and husband are unreal bonds which are the unreal roles in the drama. Both are simply actors taking different unreal roles in different dramas to entertain the Lord. The relationship between the souls is only a colleague type only which is eternal in all the dramas (lives). Therefore, there is no meaning of kith and kin and the outsiders. All the souls are equally related to each other if the reality is realized. Hence, the entire world is a single family of God as its head (Vasudhaika Kutumbakam).
     
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    All the fights between the human beings in the name of family-outsider, caste, sex, nationality, religion, language etc., are only due to the illusion of Maya that is prevailing over the soul. Arjuna killed several kings in the battles previously when his brother performed Rajasuya sacrifice. But in the karukshetra war, Arjuna could not kill the opponents since they were his relatives. You are taking bribe from an outsider for the sake of over enjoyment of your family and you are going to hell for that. Your sin is not shared by your family members who enjoyed the extra wealth. On this point Valmaki, robber was transformed in to sage.

    Boys are dejected and some times commit suicide since the unreal love and the unreal beauty of a girl is not attained. This is the climax of the illusion (Maya)! With reference to Maha Maya, this Maya (beauty and love) are unreal.

    If you cannot come out of the illusion in the lowest level, how can you cross the other levels of illusion like Maha Maya and Mula Maya to attain God? Arjuna was also overcome by this basic illusion and treated the unreal relatives as the real kith and kin. He was unable to identify the Lord acting as his driver as his real kith and kin. He was worried about the incidental death of those unreal kit and kin. Therefore, the Lord laughed at the very outset (Prahasanniva….Gita) because even the lowest Maya was not conquered by him. With the help of analysis of Maya, all the devotees in this universe should be united as one family irrespective of religion, caste etc.
     
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    EYE SEE YOU

    This will be a divine orgasm......conventions, standards, dialects,(Maya) are all indeed stumbling blocks if the initiate has not taken the aforementioned into consideration. As expressed in another post by Bro Meta saience , these people we call *family* friends ect are all subject to be devices of this illusory thinking(Agents of the enemy). Most embrace (latch on to) these people indirectly substantiating their allegiance to maya and those who manipulate it for their well defined purposes. Dattaswami ....these High spiritual teachings are the original templates from which indigeneous people (melanated people) established their systems of governance and order. These Westerners treat it as a means of elevating the individual; dissecting and using whatever brings about wellbeing so they can eventually have self help work shops and institutions. Reestablishing these cosmogonies as our interpersonal imperative is do or die for descendants of indigeneous people as a collective. Asamprajnata Sarvikalpa Nirvanna. Hetepu
     
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    MENEFER;

    People want the Yoga up to first five stages only which is just helpful to their materialism. This much is desired even by an atheist. There is no difference between a devotee and an atheist up to this point. If we show the higher three steps related to God, the devotees become certainly interested. But their interest is again to strengthen their materialism (Pravrutti) only by the upper three steps (Nivrutti). In Nivrutti, the first point of a devotee is about the super power that can do miracles. Such enquiry about miracles is not for recognition of God and not for doing service to God. In the first stage they say that they need the proof of miracles just only for recognition of God to develop in the spiritual field. God is trapped by them due to His infinite kindness and shows the proof hoping that they will turn to the spiritual line.

    After seeing the proof, they become very strong devotees and God is again trapped by their talented devotion. They show the climax of theoretical devotion. They do sacrifice of work and fruit of work also to prove that they have achieved the final step of divine service and that they have been really transformed. After some time, when they are sure that God is fully trapped by them, the hidden desire to use His super powers for personal problems comes up in a very sweet coated manner. They plead that the problem is disturbing them from doing the divine service. For the third time, God is again trapped.

    God solves their problem with His super power behind which the secret technology exists. He uses the fruits of their own good deeds to solve the problem because their devotion is doubtful. Now they start using the super power of God for every problem in chain. There is no end to this chain. God refuses to solve the problems. Suddenly they discard this human form of God and search for another human form of God repeating the same procedure. They think that they have fooled the previous God and could solve at least a few problems by their talent of film action. But they have not fooled God because no one can fool God.

    God has spent from their own bank by withdrawing the fruits of their own good deeds as pre-matured deposits with reduced value. When they approach the new God, history repeats. Even if the new God is not genuine and is a demon, even then, the super power working through that demon is also from the same God, who is present in the previous discarded God only. You may go to another human form of God or a demon, there is no use because the same God exists in another human form and the power of the same God works through that demon. You have changed only the external forms but not the internal God who is one only. If there were several Gods, your trick becomes fruitful. Even if you run to temples, priests, astrologers etc., there is no use because your problem can be solved only by that one God.

    The priests have to use the same power of the same God. Planets are the executive powers of the same God. Therefore, there is no use of changing the God. You must change yourself. There is no other way than this even in the infinite span of time. If you stick to the previous real human form of God, you can change yourself because He will guide you by preaching the most powerful divine knowledge and brings determination in you by clearing all your doubts. Therefore, if you have caught the real human form of God, use Him to uplift your soul (Uddhare datmana.. Gita). A rabbit took some money from goddess earth. It wanted to avoid the payment of loan to the earth. Therefore, it started running away to avoid the earth. After a very long run, it became tired and stood. Immediately the earth below its legs asked for the payment of the loan!
     
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