Black Spirituality Religion : king narmer worshipped as baal

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  1. nibs

    nibs Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    narmer's palette is one of the oldest known historical records to date. it has been dated anywhere from 3100 - 4400 bc.
    narmer's palette depicts the pre-dynastic unification of upper and lower kemet. at the time, lower kemet had been partially habitated and controlled by asiatic populations, in addition to the african people living there. narmer's conquering and unification of kemet is one of the oldest historical accounts of the struggle africans undertook in protecting their lands from foreigners. (chancellor williams - destruction of black civilization)

    narmer has been associated with wsr (ausar) as it was written historically that wsr led the troops from kush that "colonized" kemet (cheik anta diop - african origins of civilization); and this is exactly what narmer is depicted as doing on the palette.

    african people have deified their ancestors, kings & queens from times immemorial.
    wsr, aishat, heru...are all regarded as deified ancestors. narmer was similarly deified. as a god, narmer was known beyond kemet, in canaan and throughout the region. baal is merely a title meaning "lord". these images illustrate that baal & narmer are identical. narmer was known by the title baal. baal was known across continental africa, as far as south africa, where rock carvings from ancient times make mention of him. (credo mutwa - zulu shaman: dreams, prophecies, and mysteries)

    narmer's palette (left) baal (right):
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    baal here is depicted in the same pose as narmer, wearing the white crown of upper kemet, holding the mace.

    the real deception is in the vilification of narmer as baal. narmer literally is one of our greatest african ancestors; who led the fight in controlling the spread of indo-european populations and influence. the hebrew bible/doctrine is a doctrine plagiarized, compiled and edited by asiatic/indo-european invaders on african territories (kemet, canaan, sumer) that literally curses the warrior/king who evicted and subdued their ancestors. african people that embrace this hebrew doctrine are disrespecting their own ancestors that fought to control the spread of the foreign (barbaric) populations which they now embrace.
    the vilification of narmer that black christians and hebrews participate in; is the same as if indo-europeans tricked african americans into cursing malcolm x, marcus garvey, and martin luther king jr today.
    the hebrew doctrine again shows itself to be a cultural assault disguised as a religion.
    baal is not "some pagan god"; baal is a title applied to narmer, a deified ancestor who fought against indo-european & asiatic encroachment on african lands.
    this cultural/racial "war" has persisted for over 6000 years and is one of the first conflicts/struggles that africans ever documented.
     
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    Music Producer Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    First question is what exactly is an Asiatic?

    Why don’t we have any Egyptian Antiquities depicting these so called Asiatics?

    Isn’t it true that the word foreigner simply was a reference to another African tribe or peoples?

    This is the type of writings and fabrication of history that you support and aid when you use and go into cohort with the white mans ideology of Egyptian History.
    http://www.burlingtonnews.net/redhairedmummiescanaryislands.html

    The problem is you have already agreed with the white man that Asiatic people set on the throne of Egypt. From there the white man can make you start believing we saw them as gods.

    Google the phrase “Asiatic Mummies” you will see it is a term that is being defined by Caucasians that leads to “tall white, red headed Spaniards”.

    Every time you utilize the white mans words to describe the ancient people of the Middle East you are telling African Americans that ancient Spaniards ruled Egypt and you remove the original African Pharaohs that actually ruled Egypt at the time. You do this despite the Scientific Evidence that pure Caucasian DNA has yet to be found that is older then 2000 BC.

    Why do you fictitiously project the Caucasian into a history in which he could not have been a part of?

    I understand clearly why white people would do and support such a notion but for the life of me I can not understand why a Black Man would support such a notion and hand over about 500 years of ancestral African history to Asiatics (Tall Caucasian red-headed people that became Spaniards).

    As for your depiction of Baal and matching the poses, this is a standard pose of conquering pharaohs and or gods “smiting the enemies”.
    http://www.khm.uio.no/utstillinger/mumien_lever/grafikk/bilde6.jpg
    http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/ramesses2anat1.jpg
    http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/templeentrance5.jpg
    http://www.grisel.net/images/egypt/smite_enemy.jpg
    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19400/19400-h/images/289.jpg
    http://www.dailygrail.com/images/orion/fig2.jpg

    So just because we see a similarity in poses it does not mean it is the exact same representation of person. As you can see these are standard artistic smiting poses that are found throughout Egyptian Art and expression.

    The word Ba-al is actually a play on words being shortened and abbreviated form of two words that could be translated as “Son of GOD”.

    “Ba-” being a shortened and corrupted form of BN=“Son” and of course “-al” being a shortened and corrupted form of EL= “GOD”.

    With very little true research your perception can be shown as inaccurate mainly because of you lack of desire to understand Hebrew / Egyptian phrasing and play on wording.
     
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    Is it possible that the term asiatic be an alternative label to asian? And the term as it is used today refered to the ppl now in the land generally known as Asia? Is it also possible that some caucasians did travel to north/west africa at some point in past history(Nordic cultures particularly the well known Vikings were were known to be pretty good sea travelers to say the least) and as some may have stayed in those lands, for good or bad became mummified upon their physical death? Possibly leaving behind what some discoverers call Asiatic Mummies.

    Just questions I'd like to hear your perspective on nothing more

    peace
     
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    Baal is mentioned in Vusamazulu mutwas books as being the 'foreign god' or something to that extent.
     
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    (I-khan) - Baal is mentioned in Vusamazulu mutwas books as being the 'foreign god' or something to that extent.

    yup, credo mutwa shows a rock that was used for sacrifices; and rock carvings bearing the name of baal. mutwa's theory was that seafaring canaanites had brought baal to south africa in ancient times. it's documented that the caanaanites and kemau travelled across africa and as far as the america's via sea routes.
     
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    As a people we need to define what we mean by “Foreigner” as related to Egypt. I mean did the Egyptians believe Ethiopians were Foreigners? and if this is the case then what were the Egyptians?

    The only way to dilute this conundrum is to accept that all of them were Africans and the division only came from Tribal division, not race such as Asiatic, Eurasian or Semite etc. Those words are words invented by later races intentionally trying to muscle their way into a Great History that was the brunt of the civilized world.

    I use to believe Jesus was a totally foreign god until I started studying Ethiopian religions and came across the book Ethiopian Book of the Dead that predates the New Testament and actually could see where our Ethiopian ancestors merged Osiris to a Jesus figure.

    This book proves the white man did not invent the current New Testament concepts, it was our ancestors. Even Constantine was an African thus it becomes very confusing to see our brothers and sisters trying to blame the KJV on the white man.

    We wrote those books and we destroyed ourselves with those books.

    The Old Testament story reflects Khnemu, the Supreme Being that we rebelled against as a People. The New Testament reflect Osiris, the god and religion we used to rebel against Khnemu.

    Names and places may change but the moral and reality of our ancestral story stays the same.

    The entire Bible is our ancestral knowledge that explains why we struggle today and secretly informs us of what we need to do in order to rise above that struggle.
     
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    (Music Producer) - First question is what exactly is an Asiatic?

    a non-african person of western asia. possibly a mix of scant african and indo-european or mongoloid ancestry.

    (Music Producer) - Why don’t we have any Egyptian Antiquities depicting these so called Asiatics?

    here is a depiction shemsi en tehuti has provided in the past:
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    there are numerous depictions of asiatics.

    narmer's tablet is understood to depict asiatics being slaughtered on one side, ad african prisoners and soldiers on the other.

    i use the term "asiatic" here to as that is the language chancellor williams and cheik anta diop (both of whom i cited) used.

    (Music Producer) - Isn’t it true that the word foreigner simply was a reference to another African tribe or peoples?

    which word "foreigner"?

    (Music Producer) - This is the type of writings and fabrication of history that you support and aid

    music producer, you insist that the greeks and romans were black africans. who exactly is fabricating history?

    (Music Producer) - The problem is you have already agreed with the white man that Asiatic people set on the throne of Egypt.

    it is not possible for asiatic people to sit on the throne of kemet. not unless they married a kemau/kushau princess.
    asiatics can only invade and occupy kemet.

    (Music Producer) - You do this despite the Scientific Evidence that pure Caucasian DNA has yet to be found that is older then 2000 BC.

    provide evidence of that date.

    from kush to china, and possibly japan as well; all original civilizations were black african in origin. blacks have been displaced by more than indo-europeans. see the bigger picture.

    (Music Producer) - Why do you fictitiously project the Caucasian into a history in which he could not have been a part of?

    what's the origin of mongoloids? there are many other non-african peoples, and blends of non-african peoples...etc.

    (Music Producer) - As for your depiction of Baal and matching the poses, this is a standard pose of conquering pharaohs and or gods “smiting the enemies”.

    so we agree, that baal is depicted as a king of kemet. certainly we agree that baal is depicted wearing the white crown of upper kemet.

    our only disagreement is whether or not baal depicted is narmer or another king of kemet.

    that is actually an ancillary issue; my focus is that africans are disrespecting a king of kemet when they follow after jewish and christian doctrine that disrespects baal.

    africans have been tricked into disrespecting their ancestors who in the past fought against the same people that pulled the trick today.

    to reiterate:
    narmer's conquering and unification of kemet is one of the oldest historical accounts of the struggle africans undertook in protecting their lands from foreigners. (chancellor williams - destruction of black civilization)

    narmer has been associated with wsr (ausar) as it was written historically that wsr led the troops from kush that "colonized" kemet (cheik anta diop - african origins of civilization); and this is exactly what narmer is depicted as doing on the palette.


    it's been argued that narmer is none other than wsr/ausar himself. thus, narmer is wsr and this is the original depiction.

    (Music Producer) - The word Ba-al is actually a play on words being shortened and abbreviated form of two words that could be translated as “Son of GOD”.

    “Ba-” being a shortened and corrupted form of BN=“Son” and of course “-al” being a shortened and corrupted form of EL= “GOD”.


    yes, and the kings of kemet were regarded as the "son of god". "son of ra"...etc.

    again we agree.

    ba = soul, ba'al could also mean soul of "god".
     
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    What Viking Mummies do you know of and can show and prove that dates back as far as 4400BC?

    As I said; scientific evidence reveals the pure Caucasian DNA not as of yet being found that predates 2000BC.

    How can a race that did not exist in 4400BC be responsible for being rulers and kings of Lower Egypt in 4400BC?
     
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    Nibs:

    We have already had extensive debate over these Paint Shop Pro edited pictures. I know for an absolute fact that the Libyan is much, much darker then that because they are to this day.

    Why are you continuing to pass off fake Egyptian images to trick African Americans into believing in Caucasian invented words such as Asiatic, Eurasian and Semite?

    These are the exact same images used by others that minister this same theology. Why can’t you and them find anymore images then these?

    http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=444538&postcount=8

    The reason you guys keep using this same old picture is because you can not find any true Egyptian Antiquates of so called Asiatic, Eurasians or Semites.

    Thus you have to keep using the same old one that some white man has faked in Paint Shop Pro.

    So lets see them that date back to Narmer or 4400BC. I will be waiting……..
     
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    You and the white man because we have an eye-witness record describing several of those nations as African. His exact words are “they have the skin color that approaches that of the Ethiopian”.

    This can be found in Histories of Herodotus.

    Herodotus also describes the Middies and Persians as being of the same stock as the people of the Caucus Mountains who established themselves during the times of Remises II.

    Once again we have already talked about this extensively. You had no answer for it then and you have no answer now.

    This information can be found in The Sirius Mysteries. Before the author shows all of his religious links back to Africa he has to clear up the races lies that have been spread by races Caucasian Historians. In doing so the author sights several Historians / Explorers that described the Natives of several Middle Eastern regions as African.

    Of course these historians predate the invention of words like Asiatic, Eurasian and Semite. Historians that predate those words used the true description of these people “black, stocky, short, large nose and lips, bushy hair etc…”.
     
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