Black Spirituality Religion : Jesus was CONCEIVED on Dec. 25 of 5 BC

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    Christmas!? What is so special about Christmas? Why do we
    celebrate it? And, what happened on Christmas anyway?

    Of course, we have been told and told and told -- that the Lord Jesus
    Christ was BORN on Christmas day! But, was He?

    Well, to answer those questions, let's begin at the beginning. We'll
    read some passages in the Bible which tell us about Christ and the
    events leading up to His Birth. Then we will do some "research" and
    fit the pieces together. I think you will be suprised and thrilled
    at what you will learn! Ready? OK! Let's begin.

    Read the following verses from the Book of Luke (in the New Testament
    of the Bible), and, as you read these verses (printed out here for
    you), underline or put a RED circle around every reference to a
    PERSON and underline or put a BLUE circle around every reference to a
    specific TIME period. (Of course you may use any color or symbol you
    wish to mark these things, these are only suggestions.)
    LUKE 1: 5-47, 56-60 NIV
    5. In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named
    Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah (Abia);
    his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron. 6. Both of them
    were upright in the sight of God, observing all the Lord's
    commandments and regulations blamelessly. 7. But they had no
    children, because Elizabeth was barren; and they were both well along
    in years. 8. Once when Zechariah's division was on duty and he was
    serving as priest before God, 9. he was chosen by lot, according to
    the custom of the priesthood, to go into the temple of the Lord and
    burn incense. 10. And when the time for the burning of incense came,
    all the assembled worshipers were praying outside. 11. Then an angel
    of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar
    of incense. 12. When Zechariah saw him, he was startled and was
    gripped with fear. 13. But the angel said to him: "Do not be afraid,
    Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear
    you a son, and you are to give him the name John. 14. He will be a
    joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth,
    15. for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to
    take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the
    Holy Spirit even from birth. 16. Many of the people of Israel will he
    bring back to the Lord their God. 17. And he will go on before the
    Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the
    fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the
    righteous--to make ready a people prepared for the Lord." 18.
    Zechariah asked the angel, "How can I be sure of this? I am an old
    man and my wife is well along in years." 19. The angel answered, "I
    am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and I have been sent to
    speak to you and to tell you this good news. 20. And now you will be
    silent and not able to speak until the day this happens, because you
    did not believe my words, which will come true at their proper
    time." 21. Meanwhile, the people were waiting for Zechariah and
    wondering why he stayed so long in the temple. 22. When he came out,
    he could not speak to them. They realized he had seen a vision in the
    temple, for he kept making signs to them but remained unable to
    speak. 23. When his time of service was completed, he returned home.
    24. After this his wife Elizabeth became pregnant and for five months
    remained in seclusion. 25. "The Lord has done this for me," she
    said. "In these days he has shown his favor and taken away my
    disgrace among the people." 26. In the sixth month, God sent the
    angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27. to a virgin pledged
    to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The
    virgin's name was Mary. 28. The angel went to her and
    said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."
    29. Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of
    greeting this might be.30. But the angel said to her, "Do not be
    afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. 31. You will be with
    child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name
    Jesus. 32. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most
    High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33.
    and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will
    never end." 34. "How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I
    am a virgin?" 35. The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come
    upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the
    holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 36. Even
    Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and
    she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month.37. For nothing
    is impossible with God." 38. "I am the Lord's servant," Mary
    answered. "May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left
    her. 39. At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the
    hill country of Judea, 40. where she entered Zechariah's home and
    greeted Elizabeth. 41. When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby
    leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
    42. In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and
    blessed is the child you will bear! 43. But why am I so favored,
    that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44. As soon as the
    sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped
    for joy. 45. Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has
    said to her will be accomplished!" 46. And Mary said: "My soul
    glorifies the Lord 47. and my spirit rejoices in God my
    Savior, ... ... 56. Mary stayed with Elizabeth for about three
    months and then returned home. 57. When it was time for Elizabeth to
    have her baby, she gave birth to a son. 58. Her neighbors and
    relatives heard that the Lord had shown her great mercy, and they
    shared her joy. 59. On the eighth day they came to circumcise the
    child, and they were going to name him after his father Zechariah,
    60. but his mother spoke up and said, "No! He is to be called
    John." ... ...
    Hmmmmm. Very interesting. But what does all this mean? Why did we
    mark the names of Zechariah and Elizabeth and John? What do they
    have to do with the birth of Jesus? And why were we marking the
    times? What is so important about marking 5 months in verse 24, and
    the 6th month in verses 25 and 36, and "at that time" in verse 39,
    and 3 months in verse 56? (You did mark those time periods, didn't
    you? Yes, I thought so. Great!)

    Well, let's look at some very interesting and pertinent information
    and then I think you will understand why we read and marked those
    verses in Luke.

    First of all, for those of us who are not Jews and are not familiar
    with Jewish customs, it is important to know how the Priests were
    assigned to their specific "tours of duty" (divisions, courses).

    Look back at Luke 1:5. What did this tell you about Zechariah? And, who was the King of Judah at the time? (see verse 5)

    Yes! Zechariah was a Priest in the division (course in KJV) of
    Abijah (Abia in KJV). And Herod was the King of Judah. But, why is
    that important?

    Well, according to 1 Chronicles 24:7-19, there are 24 divisions
    (courses) of Priests, of which Abijah (Abia) is one. Each Priest,
    and there were many, was assigned to one of the divisions. Each
    division was, in turn, assigned to serve in the Temple twice a year.
    The "tour of duty" of these divisions would change every week with
    the change beginning with each Sabbath. The first course was served
    by the division of Jehoiarib....the eighth course to Abijah
    (Abia) ... and etc. as noted in 1 Chronicles 24:7,10.

    Now, according to and quoting (and paraphrasing) from a little
    booklet entitled "The Real Christmas Story -- The Word Became Flesh"
    "The reckoning (of the assignment for the division of Abijah) began
    on the 22nd of Tisri - October 6. This was the eighth and last day of
    the Feast of Tabernacles -- the great day of the feast (John 7:37),
    and was a Sabbath (Lev. 23:39:)

    The first administration of the eighth course fell upon the 12-18 of
    Chisleu--(Dec. 6-12); whereas the second administration of the eighth
    course was the 12-18 of Silvan -- (June 13-19.)

    It was during this second administration of the eighth course (of
    Abijah) when the announcement (by the Angel of the Lord) to
    Zachariah in the temple concerning the conception of John the
    Baptist) occurred. Therefore, this must have taken place between the
    12-18 of Silvan -- June 13-19, in the year 5 BC, since we know that
    Herod was King of Judea at that time and we know the schedule of when
    Zechariah's division of Priests were assigned to Temple service.

    Read verse 23 & 24 again. What happened when Zechariah finished his
    tour of service? Yes, he went home and his wife, Elizabeth, became pregnant and
    remained in seclusion for 5 months.

    Home? Where did Zechariah and Elizabeth live? Well, we don't know
    for sure but it is thought by most scholars that they lived in
    Juttah, which was a City in which the Levitical priesthood lived.
    Juttah was located about 30 miles south of Jerusalem.

    Remember, they did not have cars in those days, so Zechariah probably
    walked back home, since walking or riding on a horse or donkey was
    the main mode of transportation in those days. Walked! 30 Miles!

    And, since the day following the ending of his course was a Sabbath --
    Silvan 19, (remember, the courses began on a Sabbath and his had
    just ended), then he would not be able to Leave Jerusalem until the
    day after the Sabbath, which would be Silvan 20. Also remember that
    Zechariah was old (look again at verse 7 which tells us that he and
    Elizabeth were , Yes, "well along in years",
    which to you young folks means "old!"

    Anyway, the point is that, since he was an "old" man and was probably
    traveling on foot (or a slow horse or donkey), the time needed to
    walk or traverse the 30 miles would probably be about 2 days (though
    I am not so sure I could travel 30 miles by foot in 2 days and I am
    not really "old"... how about you?) But, assuming that it did take
    approximately two days, he would not arrive at home until about the
    evening of the 21st. Then, allowing a day of rest, the conception of
    John would occur on the 23rd of Silvan (June 24).

    Now look at verses 26 and 36. When, according to these verses did
    the Angel appear to Mary?how many months AFTER Elizabeth became

    When Mary went to visit Elizabeth, was Mary already "with child"
    (carrying the Baby Jesus)?
    Yes, Mary was carrying Jesus in her womb when she went to visit
    Elizabeth. How do we know? What happened when Mary arrived at the
    home of Elizabeth and Zachariah? (Hint read v. 41-44 before you


    Yes, John (the Baptist), who was in the womb of his mother,
    Elizabeth, leaped with joy when Jesus, in the womb of Mary, entered
    the house ! Wow! Astounding! Awesome! (And, by the way, this also
    is further evidence and proof that babies, while still in their
    mother's wombs and not yet born, are REAL babies and are not
    just "globs of tissue". But that is another topic for another study,
    so we will only make that passing comment and then continue with the
    subject at hand.)

    Returning to our "calculations" of WHEN Jesus was conceived by the
    Holy Spirit in the womb of Mary -- let's summarize what we know:

    When does it seem likely that John (the Baptist) was conceived:
    (circle your answer from the choices below)

    January 1, 00
    23 of Silvan (June 24, 5 BC)
    February 14, 1999
    And how many months AFTER John (the Baptist) did Mary go to see
    Elizabeth (and John)?

    5 Months
    6 Months
    12 Months

    Was Mary Pregnant with Jesus at the time she went to visit Elizabeth
    and John?YES
    Correct! Mary was pregnant when she went to see Elizabeth, who, at
    the time of Mary's arrival, was 6 months pregnant with John.
    Therefore, this means that the time of the visit was in the month of

    Yes, June + 6 Months = December !

    Hmmm. December! And we know it was in December because Luke records
    that the "begetting" of the Lord Jesus was 6 months after the
    conception of John the Baptist (vs. 26,36). "It is, therefore, only
    a matter of simple calculation to arrive at the 1st of Tebeth (Dec
    25), concerning the date of Christ's conception."

    Wow! So, Jesus was not BORN on Christmas Day.... but... He was
    CONCEIVED on Christmas Day ! WOW !

    And, according to verse 56, how long did Mary stay on her visit with
    Elizabeth?And what happened after Mary left? (v. 57)

    Yes, Mary (and Baby Jesus in her womb) visited for 3 months and then
    they left and, after they left, John (the Baptist) was born.

    So, since John was conceived on 23rd of Sivan (June 24, 5 BC) and was
    born on the 7th of Nisan (March 28, 4 BC), then Jesus was conceived
    on Dec. 25 of 5 BC and was born on the 15th of Tisri -- Sept 29, 4

    And, what is so special about this? Well, 2 things actually:
    First, the fact that Jesus was conceived on Dec. 25 is totally
    awesome! We have known for a long time that Dec. 25 was actually a
    pagan holiday and festival long before the time of Jesus. Indeed it
    was the birthday of a false god , Horus (Osiris) of Egypt. For that
    reason, many Christians today, not knowing these details, which you
    have just studied, were and are reluctant to "celebrate" Jesus'
    Birthday, knowing that it is a pagan winter solstice holiday and the
    day of celebration for a false god.
    But, wow, now we CAN celebrate Christmas, because we now know that
    Dec 25 is a very special and wonderful day; it is the day that our
    Lord was conceived. It is the day when the spark of His life came
    into the world! We know that it is the day of His conception, and at
    the INSTANT of His conception, He was a living viable real being (not
    a glob of tissue, but a REAL person) in Mary's womb! And John, in his
    mother's womb, and Elizabeth both recognized and responded to Jesus'
    viability and presence! WOW! Now that is worthy of celebrating!!

    And, secondly, guess what! It gets even more exciting! For, Jesus'
    BIRTH, which occurred 9 months after Dec. 25 was on the 29th of
    September, the 15th of Tisri.

    And what is so important about the 15th of Tisri?? Just this! The
    15th of Tisri was the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles !!!! And
    the circumcision of Jesus (on the 8th day) was on the last day of the
    great feast of Tabernacles! WOW! Awesome!

    Now let's read in the Gospel of John, a verse which confirms,
    affirms, and explains the significance of this for us:

    John 1:14
    The Word (God Jesus) became flesh and made his dwelling (tabernacled)
    among us.
    We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,
    Who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
    WOW !!!
    Jesus was CONCEIVED on Dec. 25 of 5 BC .....
    and was BORN (Tabernacled / dwelt) with us on the 29th of September
    (Tishri 15) 4 BC !
    AWESOME !!!

    And now we know What really happened on Christmas day !!!
    And now we know why we can joyously Celebrate Christmas!!!
    GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    A comparative list of some pre-existing and pre-Christian data which were christianized in the Canonical Gospels and the Book of Revelation.
    Egyptian Christian
    The Mysteries The miracles
    The Sem, or mythical representations The parables
    The Ritual as the book of resurrection The Book of Revelation
    The sayings of Iu or Iu-em-hetep The Sayings of Jesus
    Huhi the father in heaven as the eternal, a title of Atum-Ra Ihuh, the father in heaven as the eternal.
    Ra, the holy spirit God the Holy Ghost.
    Ra the father of Iu the Su, or son of God, with the hawk or dove as the bird of the holy spirit God, the Father of Jesus, with the dove as the bird of the Holy Spirit.
    Iu or Horus, the manifesting son of God Jesus the manifesting Son of God.
    The trinity of Atum (or Osiris) the father, Horus (or Iu) the son, and Ra the holy spirit The Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
    Iu-Su or Iusa, the coming son of Iusāas, who was great with Iusa or Iusu Jesus.
    The ever-coming Messu or Child as Egyptian The Hebrew Messianic Child.
    Horus (or Heru), the Lord by name, as a child Child-Jesus as the Lord by name (Gospels of the Infancy).
    Isis, the virgin mother of Iu, her Su or son Mary the virgin mother of Jesus.
    The first Horus as Child of the Virgin, the second as son of Ra, the father Jesus the Virgin’s child, the Christ as son of the father
    The first Horus as the founder, the second as fulfiller for the father Jesus as the founder, and the Christ as fulfiller for the father.
    The two mothers of Child-Horus, Isis and Nephthys, who were two sisters The two mothers of Child-Jesus, who were sisters.
    Meri or Nut, the mother-heaven Mary as Regina Coeli.
    The outcast great mother with her seven sons Mary Magdalene, with her seven devils.
    Isis taken by Horus in adultery with Sut The woman taken in adultery.
    Apt, the crib or manger, by name as the birthplace and mother in one The manger as cradle of the Child-Christ.
    Seb, the earth-father, as consort to the virgin Isis Joseph, the father on earth, as putative husband to the Virgin Mary.
    Seb, the foster-father to Child-Horus Joseph, as foster-father to the Child-Jesus.
    Seb, Isis and Horus, the Kamite holy trinity Joseph, Mary and Jesus, a Christian holy trinity.

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    Egyptian Christian
    Seb, the builder of the house, the carpenter Joseph, the carpenter.
    Seb, the custodian of the mummied dead Joseph of Arimathea, the keeper of the Corpus Christi.
    Sut and Horus, the twin opponents Satan and Jesus, the twin opponents.
    Horus, the sower, and Sut, the destroyer, in the harvest-field Jesus, the sower of the good seed, and Satan, the sower of tares.
    Sut and Horus contending in the desert Satan and Jesus contending in the wilderness.
    Sut and Horus contending on the Ben-Ben or Pyramidion Satan and Jesus contending on the pinnacle.
    Horus carried off by Sut to the summit of Mount Hetep Jesus spirited away by Satan into an exceeding high mountain.
    Sut and Horus contending on the mount Satan and Jesus contending on the mount.
    Sut undoing the good that Horus does Satan sowing tares by night.
    S’men, for Khemen, a title of Taht Simeon.
    S’men, who held Child-Horus in his arms as the young solar god Simeon, who took the Child-Jesus in his arms.
    Anna or Annit (a title of Hathor), with Taht-S’men Anna, the prophetess, with Simeon.
    The Petar or Petra by name in Egyptian as Revealer to Horus Peter, the revealer to the Christ.
    The house of Annu Bethany.
    The group in the house at Annu The group in the house at Bethany.
    Horus in Annu Jesus in Bethany.
    Asar or Osiris Lazarus.
    The two sisters Mertae The two sisters Mary and Martha.
    Osiris, whom Horus loved Lazarus, whom Jesus loved.
    Osiris perfumed for his burial Jesus anointed, when the odour fills the house.
    Osiris prays that he may be buried speedily Jesus begs that his death may be effected quickly.
    Osiris prepared for burial under the hair of Hathor-Meri Jesus prepared for his burial beneath the hair of Mary
    Osiris, who slept in the tomb at Annu Lazarus, who slept in the tomb at Bethany.
    Osiris raised from the tomb by Horus in Annu Lazarus raised from the tomb at Bethany.
    The mummy Osiris bidden to come forth by Horus The mummy Lazarus bidden to come forth by Jesus
    The Great One who does the work of washing Jesus washing the feet of his disciples.
    The star, as announcer for the Child-Horus The Star in the East that indicated the birthplace of Jesus.
    The seven Hathors (or cows) who minister to Horus The seven women who minister to Jesus.
    Anup, the Precursor of Horus John, the forerunner of Jesus the Christ.
    Anup, the Baptizer John the Baptist.
    Aan, the saluter of Horus John, the saluter of the Christ.
    Aan, a name of the divine scribe John, the divine scribe.
    Hermes, the scribe Hermas, the scribe.
    Mati, the registrar Matthew, the clerk.
    Taht, Shu, and black Sut The three kings, or Magi.
    Nut at the pool of the Persea, or sycamore-tree, as giver of divine drink The woman at the well as giver of the water.
    Horus born in Annu, the place of bread Jesus born in Bethlehem, the house of bread.
    The vesture put on Horus by the Goddess Tait The swaddling clothes put on the infant Jesus.

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    Offerings made to the child by the worshippers in Annu Offerings and worship of the Magi.
    Child-Horus with the head of Ra Child-Jesus with the solar glory round his head.
    The Bull of Amenta in the place of birth The ox in the birthplace of the Child.
    The ***, Iu, in the birthplace The *** in the birthplace (catacombs).
    The lions of the horizon attending upon Horus The lions attending the Child-Christ (pseudo- Matthew).
    Child-Horus emerging from the Papyrus-reed The Child-Jesus in the catacombs issuing from the Papyrus.
    Horus, the ancient child The little old Jesus in the catacombs.
    Horus, the gracious child Jesus, the child full of grace.
    Horus, one of five brethren Jesus, one of five brothers.
    Horus, the brother of Sut the betrayer Jesus, the brother of Judas the betrayer.
    Amsta, the one brother of Horus in the human form James, the human brother of Jesus.
    The two sisters of Horus The sisters of Jesus.
    Horus the lad in the country and youth in town Jesus as the child in the country and youth in town.
    Horus baptized with water by Anup Jesus baptized with water by John.
    Horus in the tank of flame Jesus the baptizer with fire.
    Horus in his baptism becoming the beloved Son of God the Father Jesus becoming the Son of God the Father in his baptism.
    Horus the husbandman with the fan in his hand Christ coming with the fan in his hand.
    Horus the Good Shepherd, with the crook upon his shoulder Jesus the Good Shepherd, with the lamb or kid upon his shoulder.
    Horus with the four followers in the Mount Jesus with the four disciples in the Mount.
    Horus with the seven great spirits in the Mount Jesus with the seven spirits in the Mount (Rev.).
    Herrut the Apap-reptile, slayer of the younglings in the egg Herod, the murderer of the innocents.
    Isis commanded to take her child down into Egypt for safety Mary warned to take her Child down into Egypt for safety.
    Horus as the typical fish Jesus as Ichthus the fish.
    Horus as the fisher Jesus as the fisher.
    The four fishers with Horus as founders of the kingdom The four fishers with Jesus as founders of the kingdom.
    Sebek, the father of the fishers Zebedee, the father of the fishers.
    Two fisher-brethren, Kabhsenuf and Hapi Two fisher-brethren, Simon and Andrew.
    Two other fisher-brethren, Amsta and Tuamutef Two other fisher-brethren, James and John.
    The seven on board the bark with Horus The seven fishers on board the bark with Jesus.
    The wonderful net of the fishers The miraculous draught of fishes in the net.
    Horus as the lamb Jesus as the lamb.
    Horus as the lion Jesus as a lion.
    Horus (Iu) as the black child Jesus as the little black bambino.
    Horus as Ahi, the striker with the flabellum Jesus wielding the scourge of cords as the striker.
    Horus identified with the Tat or Cross Jesus identified with the Cross.
    The blind Horus, in two characters, as the God and Manes The two blind men of the Gospels.
    Horus of twelve years Jesus of twelve years.
    Horus made a man of thirty years in his baptism Jesus, the man of thirty years in his baptism.

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    Egyptian Christian
    Horus (Iu), the son of a beetle Jesus, the good Scarabaeus.
    Horus (or Ra) as the great cat Jesus as the cat.
    Horus as the shrewmouse The mouse of Jesus dedicated to “Our Lady.”
    Horus, the healer in the mountain Jesus, the healer in the mountain.
    Horus as Iusa, the exorcizer of evil spirits as the Word Jesus, the caster out of demons with a word.
    Horus, born as the shoot, branch, or plant from the Nun Jesus born as the Natzer of Nazareth, so rendered in the course of localizing the legend.
    Osiris as the vine-plant, Aarru Jesus as the vine.
    Horus, the bringer of the fish and the grapes in Egypt Jesus as bringer of the fish and the grapes (catacombs).
    Horus, the child standing on two crocodiles which adore him The Christ-Child adored by dragons=crocodiles.
    Horus, the child of a widow The Child-Christ who lodges with a widow in Egypt.
    Horus, the child of the widow in Sutenkhen The Child-Christ with the widow in Sotenin (pseudo-Matthew).
    The golden Horus The corn-complexioned Jesus.
    Horus full of wine Jesus the wine-bibber.
    Horus, who gives the water of life Jesus as giver of the water of life.
    Horus in the lentils and the grain Jesus the bread of life.
    Horus as Unbu in the bush of thorn Jesus in the crown of thorn.
    Horus the just and true Jesus the faithful and true.
    Horus-Mat-Kheru, the Word made truth at the second coming Jesus the spirit of truth at the Second Advent.
    The human Horus glorified in becoming a (Khu) spirit The spirit not given until Jesus is glorified.
    The world made through Horus The world made through Jesus.
    Horus the bridegroom with the bride in Sothis Jesus the bridegroom with the bride.
    Horus of both sexes Jesus as the bearded Sophia; Charis, the female Christ.
    Horus who exalteth his father in every sacred place Jesus who exalteth his father in every place.
    Horus as Remi the weeper Jesus as the weeper.
    Dumb Horus, or the silent Sekari Jesus silent before his accusers.
    Horus behaving badly to Isis Jesus speaking brutally to his mother.
    Horus the gladsome Jesus the jocund.
    Horus as prince of the divine powers Jesus the prince.
    Horus the uplifted serpent Jesus uplifted as the serpent.
    Horus as the Bennu Jesus as the phoenix.
    Horus who giveth light by means of his own body Jesus the light of the world.
    Horus the hider of himself as Har-Sheta Jesus the concealer of himself.
    Horus the word-made-flesh Jesus the word-made-flesh.
    Horus the word-made-truth Jesus the doer of the word.
    Horus in the bosom of Ra Jesus in the bosom of the Father.
    Horus the Krst Jesus the Christ.
    Horus the avenger Jesus who brings the sword.
    Iu-em-hetep who comes with peace Jesus the bringer of peace.
    Horus called the illegitimate child Jesus called the Mamzer.
    Horus the afflicted one Jesus the afflicted one.
    Horus the unique one Jesus the unique one.
    Horus the lord of resurrections from the house of death Jesus the resurrection and the life.
    Horus as the type of life eternal Jesus the type of eternal life.
    Iu (em-hetep) the child-teacher in the temple The Child-Jesus as teacher in the Temple.

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    Child-Horus as sower of the seed Child-Jesus as sower of the seed.
    Har-Khuti, lord of the harvest Jesus, lord of the harvest.
    Horus the founder Jesus the founder.
    Horus the fulfiller Jesus the fulfiller.
    Horus as master of the words of power Jesus whose word was with power.
    Horus Ma-kheru Jesus, “the witness unto the truth.”
    Horus as the lily Jesus typified by the lily.
    Horus the link Jesus the bond of union.
    Horus who came to fulfil the law Jesus who comes to fulfil the law.
    Horus as bearer of the Ankh-symbol of life and the Un-sceptre of resurrection Jesus as the resurrection and the life personified.
    Horus (or Khunsu) the chaser of boastfulness Jesus the humbler of the proud.
    Horus of the Second Advent The coming Christ.
    Horus the hidden force Jesus the concealed.
    Horus as Kam-Ura, the overflower, and extender of the water illimitably Jesus, giver of the water of life without limit.
    Horus, who came by the water, the blood and the spirit Jesus, who came by the water, the blood and the spirit.
    Horus the opener as Unen Jesus the opener with the keys.
    Horus of the two horizons Jesus of the two lands.
    Horus as teacher of the living generation Jesus as teacher on the earth.
    Horus as teacher of the spirits in Amenta Jesus as preacher to the spirits in prison.
    Horus as teacher on the Atit-bark, with the seven glorious ones on board Jesus the teacher on the boat, also with the seven fishers on board.
    Horus uttering the words of Ra in the solar bark Jesus uttering the parables on board the boat.
    Horus walking the water Jesus walking the water.
    The blind mummy made to see by Horus The blind man given sight by Jesus.
    Horus and the Hamemmet or younglings of Shu Jesus and the little ones.
    The children of Horus The children of Jesus.
    Horus the raiser of the dead Jesus the raiser of the dead.
    Horus the raiser up of Asar Jesus the raiser up of Lazarus.
    Horus, who imparts the power of the resurrection to his children Jesus who confers the same power on his followers.
    Horus entering the mount at sunset to hold converse with his father Jesus entering the mount at sunset to hold converse with his father.
    Horus one with the father Jesus one with his father.
    Horus transfigured on the mount Jesus transfigured on the mount.
    Amsu-Horus in his resurrection as a Sahu- mummy Jesus rising again corporeally or incorporated.
    The blood of Isis The issue of blood suffered by the woman.
    The field manured with blood in Tattu Aceldama.
    The mummy-bandage that was woven without seam The vesture of the Christ without a seam.
    Seven souls of Ra the Holy Spirit Seven gifts of the Holy Spirit.
    Seven hawks of Ra the Holy Spirit Seven doves of the Holy Spirit.
    Seven loaves of Horus for feeding the multitude reposing in the green fields of Annu Seven loaves of Jesus for feeding the multitude reclining on the grass.
    Twelve followers of Har-Khuti Twelve followers of Jesus, as the twelve disciples.

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    Horus with the twelve in the field of divine harvest Jesus with the twelve in the harvest-field.
    The twelve who reap for Horus The twelve who reap for Jesus.
    Horus as the intercessor Jesus as the paraclete.
    Horus as the great judge Jesus as the great judge.
    The judgment of the righteous, who are the sheep of Horus, the good shepherd Judgment of the righteous, who are the sheep of Jesus the Good Shepherd.
    The judgment of the guilty, who are the goats of Sut Judgment of the wicked, who are the goats of Satan.
    Horus parting off the evil dead Jesus parting off the accursed.
    The condemned spirits entering the swine The evil spirits entering the swine.
    The glorious ones that wait on Horus The angels that minister unto Jesus.
    Horus ascending to heaven from Bakhu, the Mount of the olive tree Jesus ascending to heaven from Mount Olivet.

    The revelation of Horus, given by Ra, his father, to make known the mysteries of divine things to his followers The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him to show unto his servants.
    The revelation written down by Aan (Tehuti), the scribe of divine words The Revelation written by John the divine.
    The saluter Aani, who bears witness to the word of Ra and to the testimony of Horus John, who bears witness to the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
    The secret of the Mysteries revealed by Taht-Aan The secret of the Mysteries made known by John.
    The books in Annu The book of doom and the book of life in Patmos.
    The books and their bringer The book and its opener.
    Seven dungeon-seals The book with seven seals.
    The great mother Apt, the pregnant water-cow The woman sitting on the waters.
    The crocodile as great mother The dragon as great mother.
    The great mother as Hathor, the abode The woman that was the great city personalized.
    The great or enceinte mother in her lunar character The woman arrayed with the sun about to bring forth the child
    Isis, who brought forth Horus in the marshes The woman who brought forth in the wilderness.
    Isis pursued by the great crocodile The woman persecuted by the dragon.
    Isis, hawk-winged The woman with eagle’s wings.
    The bride as Hathor-Isis, with the calf or lamb upon the mount of glory The bride as the lamb’s wife upon the mount.
    Atum-Huhi, the closer and the opener of Amenta Ihuh, who carries the keys of death and Hades as closer and opener.
    Atum-Ra, the holy spirit The spirit.
    Hathor-Iusāas the bride, with Horus the lamb (or earlier calf) upon the mount The bride with the lamb upon the mount.
    Anup and Aan, the two witnesses for Horus The two Johns as witnesses for Jesus.
    The seven Khuti or glorious ones The seven spirits of God.
    Horus, with the seven Khabsu stars, or gods of the lamp Jesus in the midst of the seven golden lamp- stands.
    Sebek-Horus the lamb on the mount Jesus the lamb on the mount.
    Horus the morning star Jesus the morning star.

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    Horus, who gives the morning star to his followers Jesus, who gives the morning star to his followers.
    The Har-Seshu, or servants of Horus The servants of Jesus Christ.
    The seven spirits of fire around the throne of Ra The seven spirits of fire before the throne.
    The fathers, or the ancient ones The four-and-twenty elders.
    The four corner-keepers The four living creatures at the four corners.
    The solar god of golden form The form with feet like unto burnished brass, and countenance as of the sun.
    Iu the son of man (or Atum) Jesus the son of man.
    Horus as the first-born from the dead Jesus the Christ as first-born of those that slept.
    Horus in the house of a thousand years The Millennial reign of Jesus.
    Sebek the solar dragon The scarlet-coloured beast with seven heads.
    Seven souls or powers of Ra Seven heads of the solar dragon.
    The eighth to the seven The eighth to the seven.
    Ten Tata-gods or powers The ten horns or kings.
    The war in heaven The war in heaven.
    Har-Tema as the avenger, the red god who orders the block of execution The word of God, faithful and true, with raiment dipped in blood.
    Har-Makhu Michael the Archangel.
    Sut the accuser Satan the accuser.
    Sut and Horus Christ and the Anti-Christ.
    The celestial Heptanomis The seven mountains of earth or islands in the sea.
    The seven children of the old earth-mother The seven kings of the earth.
    Horus at the head of the seven Jesus at the head of the seven.
    The last judgment The last judgment.
    The mount of glory The throne set in heaven on the mount.
    The mount as judgment-seat The mount as throne of the Great Judge.
    The lion-faced throne of steel The great white throne.
    The great judge seated on his throne The Great Judge on the judgment-seat.
    The god in lion form The god who is the lion of the Tribe of Judah.
    The god in the solar disc The god with the sun-like countenance.
    The god whose dazzling mouth sends forth breezes of flame The god from whose mouth proceeded the two-edged sword.
    Osiris-Tat, the sufferer in the Lower Egypt of Amenta The Lord who was crucified in Egypt.
    The Apap-reptile, the serpent of evil Abaddon, Apollyon, or Satan, that old serpent.
    Apap, the power of evil in the Abyss Abaddon or Apollyon, the angel of the Abyss.
    The binding of Apap in chains and casting the beast into the Abyss The binding of the dragon, that old serpent, and casting him into the Pit.
    Apap and Sut bound in chains and cast into the Abyss The Devil and Satan bound in a great chain and cast into the Pit.
    The Ankh-key of life and the Un-symbol of the resurrection The keys of death and Hades in the hands of the opener.
    The first resurrection and the second death in Amenta The first resurrection and the second death.

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    The Lake of Putrata where the lost souls fall headlong into everlasting night The lake of the second death.
    The beatified in their white garments of glory The beatified spirits arrayed in white.
    The name of Ra on the head of the deceased The name of the Father written on the forehead.
    The little column of white stone given as a talisman to the initiates The white stone given to the initiated.
    The mount of the double earth in Hetep The mountain great and high.
    The eternal city at the summit The Holy City.
    The water of life as lake or river The river of the water of life.
    The two divine sycamores over the water of life The tree of life on either side of the water of life.
    The water of life proceeding from the throne of Osiris. The water of life proceeding from the throne of God.
    The great lake in Hetep upon which the gods and glorified alight The glassy sea on which the victors stand triumphant.
    The great white lake of Sa The sea of crystal.
    The calf (later lamb) of Horus standing on the mount with Hathor bearing the bride The lamb standing on Mount Zion with the bride.
    The lunar goddess Hathor bearing the solar orb The woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon at her feet.
    The glorified in Hetep stoled and girdled and crowned The angels girt about the breasts with golden girdles.
    The emerald dawn around the mount or throne of Ra The rainbow like an emerald round the throne.
    The Ba enclosure of Aarru, in twelve measures The walled enclosure of the New Jerusalem, in twelve measures.
    Heaven according to the measure of a man Heaven according to the measure of a man.
    The paradise of the pole-star The Holy City lighted by one luminary that is neither the sun nor the moon=the pole-star.
    The ark of Osiris-Ra The Ark of the New Covenant in heaven.
  3. MizLindaLinda

    MizLindaLinda Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    What Book did thie information come from?????

    AACOOLDRE Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Gerald Massey "Ancient Egypt:Light of the world". I suggest if your curious to read "101 Myths of the Bible" By Gary Greenberg. After reading Greenberg book you will never be the same.
  5. Lloyd

    Lloyd Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    You are right

    I've asked myself questions about it several times!It's true that we've the proof of "Christmas" as a non-Christian fiest!But nowadays it is so commercial that we can stop his evolution.On the other hand it's a time when the air is full of love,of forgiveness,of joy...we can't do as we don't see it!So stop wondering about when Jesus is born and enjoy life;we just live once,Jesus will not be angry with you if he knows that you celebrate Christmas.
    Be blessed
  6. MizLindaLinda

    MizLindaLinda Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Nothing can change me nor my Faith in Christ Jesus!!!!
  7. Angela22

    Angela22 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Nah, I don't think so. He didn't say to celebrate His birthday, much less His conception day.

    And things around Christmas really have nothing to do with the Father and the Son, but is more about tradition and greed. It's not truly centered around the teachings of being truly faithful to the Father and the Son, and believing in the Son for our salvation, for what He has done in His sacrifice and resurrection, and for what the Father has done in loving us by sending His Anointed Son to be our Redeemer.

    If we're to celebrate the Father, let us do so according to how the Holy Doctrine states, written of the Prophet, and not how men and women of this generation state, just because it "seems fun" or because all others do it, and you don't know where to fit in.

    To the faithful and Holy, Christmas is just another day to praise and worship the Father, and live in the Spirit as we should do all days, and not just a selective few. ;)