Black Spirituality Religion : Jesus story TAKEN from Mirthranism

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  1. A007

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    Virtually all of the elements of Orthodox Christian rituals, from miter, wafer, water baptism, alter, and doxology, were adopted from the Mithra and earlier pagan mystery religions. The religion of Mithra preceded Christianity by roughly six hundred years. Mithraic worship at one time covered a large portion of the ancient world. It flourished as late as the second century. The Messianic idea originated in ancient Persia and this is where the Jewish and Christian concepts of a Savior came from. Mithra, as the sun god of ancient Persia, had the following karmic similarities with Jesus:
    Identical Life Experiences
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    Mithra was born on December 25th as an offspring of the Sun. Next to the gods Ormuzd and Ahrimanes, Mithra held the highest rank among the gods of ancient Persia. He was represented as a beautiful youth and a Mediator. Reverend J. W. Lake states: "Mithras is spiritual light contending with spiritual darkness, and through his labors the kingdom of darkness shall be lit with heaven's own light; the Eternal will receive all things back into his favor, the world will be redeemed to God. The impure are to be purified, and the evil made good, through the mediation of Mithras, the reconciler of Ormuzd and Ahriman. Mithras is the Good, his name is Love. In relation to the Eternal he is the source of grace, in relation to man he is the life-giver and mediator" (Plato, Philo, and Paul, p. 15).

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    He was considered a great traveling teacher and masters. He had twelve companions as Jesus had twelve disciples. Mithras also performed miracles.

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    Mithra was called "the good shepherd,” "the way, the truth and the light,” “redeemer,” “savior,” “Messiah." He was identified with both the lion and the lamb.

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    The International Encyclopedia states: "Mithras seems to have owed his prominence to the belief that he was the source of life, and could also redeem the souls of the dead into the better world ... The ceremonies included a sort of baptism to remove sins, anointing, and a sacred meal of bread and water, while a consecrated wine, believed to possess wonderful power, played a prominent part."

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    Chambers Encyclopedia says: "The most important of his many festivals was his birthday, celebrated on the 25th of December, the day subsequently fixed -- against all evidence -- as the birthday of Christ. The worship of Mithras early found its way into Rome, and the mysteries of Mithras, which fell in the spring equinox, were famous even among the many Roman festivals. The ceremonies observed in the initiation to these mysteries -- symbolical of the struggle between Ahriman and Ormuzd (the Good and the Evil) -- were of the most extraordinary and to a certain degree even dangerous character. Baptism and the partaking of a mystical liquid, consisting of flour and water, to be drunk with the utterance of sacred formulas, were among the inauguration acts."

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    Prof. Franz Cumont, of the University of Ghent, writes as follows concerning the religion of Mithra and the religion of Christ: "The sectaries of the Persian god, like the Christians', purified themselves by baptism, received by a species of confirmation the power necessary to combat the spirit of evil; and expected from a Lord's supper salvation of body and soul. Like the latter, they also held Sunday sacred, and celebrated the birth of the Sun on the 25th of December.... They both preached a categorical system of ethics, regarded asceticism as meritorious and counted among their principal virtues abstinence and continence, renunciation and self-control. Their conceptions of the world and of the destiny of man were similar. They both admitted the existence of a Heaven inhabited by beatified ones, situated in the upper regions, and of a Hell, peopled by demons, situated in the bowels of the Earth. They both placed a flood at the beginning of history; they both assigned as the source of their condition, a primitive revelation; they both, finally, believed in the immortality of the soul, in a last judgment, and in a resurrection of the dead, consequent upon a final conflagration of the universe" (The Mysteries of Mithras, pp. 190, 191).

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    Reverend Charles Biggs stated: "The disciples of Mithra formed an organized church, with a developed hierarchy. They possessed the ideas of Mediation, Atonement, and a Savior, who is human and yet divine, and not only the idea, but a doctrine of the future life. They had a Eucharist, and a Baptism, and other curious analogies might be pointed out between their system and the church of Christ (The Christian Platonists, p. 240).

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    In the catacombs at Rome was preserved a relic of the old Mithraic worship. It was a picture of the infant Mithra seated in the lap of his virgin mother, while on their knees before him were Persian Magi adoring him and offering gifts.

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    He was buried in a tomb and after three days he rose again. His resurrection was celebrated every year.

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    McClintock and Strong wrote: "In modern times Christian writers have been induced to look favorably upon the assertion that some of our ecclesiastical usages (e.g., the institution of the Christmas festival) originated in the cultus of Mithraism. Some writers who refuse to accept the Christian religion as of supernatural origin, have even gone so far as to institute a close comparison with the founder of Christianity; and Dupuis and others, going even beyond this, have not hesitated to pronounce the Gospel simply a branch of Mithraism" (Art. "Mithra").

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    Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter, at which time he was resurrected. His sacred day was Sunday, "the Lord's Day." The Mithra religion had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper."

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    The Christian Father Manes, founder of the heretical sect known as Manicheans, believed that Christ and Mithra were one. His teaching, according to Mosheim, was as follows: "Christ is that glorious intelligence which the Persians called Mithras ... His residence is in the sun" (Ecclesiastical History, 3rd century, Part 2, ch. 5).


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    ...and according to

    John G Jackson who wrote "Christianity Before Christ" about 34 other saviors share the same story line along with a mother named Mary....:SuN033:

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    Actually Mithra was taken from the Jesus story because the Mithra of Persia is different than the Mithra of Ancient Rome.

    The Persian Mithra ,which predated Christianity, had no similarities to Jesus.
    The Roman Mithra,which came after the inception of Christianity ,does have some similarities to Jesus. This would indicate that if anything Mithra was plagiarized from the Jesus story and not the other way around.
     
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    You are mistaken. They are EXACTLY the same Mithra. You are mistaken about how it transpired. The Persian Mithra from the religion Zoroastrianism gain prominence in the ROMAN army as Persia invaded Rome. EVERY SINGLE TENANT OF THE FAITH WAS FROM THE ONE AND ONLY MITHRA STORY!
    The Messianic idea originated in ancient Persia and this is where the Jewish and Christian concepts of a Savior came from. Mithra, as the sun god of ancient Persia, had the following karmic similarities with Jesus:
    Identical Life Experiences
    There are no 2 stories. Persians passed it on to Romans and Romans adopted it and were a larger faith than Christians for 600 years until people were FORCED to believe in Jesus OR DIE.
     
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    The Persian mithra is different from the roman mithra . The images associated with the persian mithra are different than the images associated with the roman mithra and because there is little to no text for either version of mithra -- you can't possibly say with any concrete certainty that either one really has anything to do with the Jesus story in any way.

    Because people who hate Jesus want so badly to try to make people doubt Jesus--they take any little info they can find and twist it so it will fit their erroneous theories about Jesus.
     
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    oceolo,

    Well said oceolo, well said indeed.

     
  8. A007

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    You keep saying this but you haven't backed it up once. It is crazy to say there is no text for mithra when Zoroastrianism is still in practice TODAY!! If there were no text...WHY DO YOU SAY THEY ARE DIFFERENT? How could you know? LOL. I can say they have to do with YESUHA, because Yeshua wasn't born on DEC. 25 the Persion mithra was. The Persian Mithra died and ACSENDED...that's why the temples in Rome were DEDICATED TO MITHRA before 600 BC. The Persian Mithra was "the truth and the light".

    "In the catacombs at Rome was preserved a relic of the old Mithraic worship. It was a picture of the infant Mithra seated in the lap of his virgin mother, while on their knees before him were Persian Magi adoring him and offering gifts."(The Christian Platonists, p. 240).

    This is from a CHRISTIAN book!! Persian Magi in a picture found in Roman catacombs (dating to 680 BC)...THEY WERE THEY SAME MITHRA. Sorry to break the news.

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    You can tell they are different because of the fact that the images for the persian mithra are different for the images for the roman mithra. These images are what the historians are basing their theories on when it comes to mithra.

    How does a picture of a baby sitting on his mother's lap automatically mean that Jesus comes from mithra? Do you think it is uncommon for baby to sit on his mother's lap? How do you know that his mother was supposed to be a virgin? You are just taking what you have read in a book written by a biased person who has tried to make the info fit her theory of the mithra story. In truth there is no indication that these images have anything to do with Jesus, but I guess if you want to believe something bad enough then it will become the truth to you.
     
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    Again...this is not true...you may google all images Roman and Persian...you will find more that are similar than dissimilar. In FACT SOME ARE EXACTLY THE SAME!! Zoroastrianism is the religion that still worships mithra. Look it up!
     
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