Black Spirituality Religion : Jesus Has Nothing To Do W/ Christmas.

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  1. decipherx1

    decipherx1 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Black people; if you have children and love them PLEASE tell them the truth that there is no White Man coming down their chimney giving them gifts; my parents had me believing in everything from Santa Claus to the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny-SMDH... If we are to REALLY change our mind set for a better future it starts w/ these little WHITE LIES we tell our Children. We must tell them that Jesus has nothing to do w/ Christmas, and that it is a Pagan Holiday. You don't have to mention the Fertility aspect of it--that's up to you. But tell them that you BUST your behind every yr to give them gifts, not some White man coming down a chimney.
    I know some will say: "Well, Family's get together and it's a time of yr for joy and laughter", that's all good, but, look at what's happening around this time of year now: People are Literally being killed at shopping Malls by herds of people greedily trying to get that gift for half price, and not even thinking about someone just died that they trampled all over just to get that gift ...ash. We may be a lot more happier and have more peace of mind if we tell our kids the truth, and tell ourselves the truth about what Christmas really means, it would relieve a lot of stress of trying to get that perfect gift, and most of all YOUR kids will not
    be confused about the Holiday itself, so it starts w/ us people, speak the truth and free your mind from these Eurocentric lies that we have been trapped in for over 400 yrs , Hotep.



    The Orgin Of Christmas.
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    thank you for sharing this link....many more of us need to know this info...ignorance is truly not bliss
     
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    decipherx1 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Yes it is my brother WE need to KNOW this info, many times
    the truth hurts us, but it's better to be in pain for a little while,
    than to be in eternal pain for not knowing the truth!
    TY brother keep the truth flowing!
     
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    Christmas: Is it "Christian" or Pagan?

    Lorraine Day, M.D.

    The Bible does not tell us when Jesus was born. However, we know that the angels announced the birth of Christ to the Bethlehem shepherds in the open fields who were tending their flocks by night.. This fact certainly implies that the birth of Jesus could NOT have been on the 25th of December. "The cold of the night in Palestine between December and February is very piercing, and it was not customary for the shepherds of Judea to watch their flocks in the open fields later than about the end of October." Hislop, A., The Two Babylons, Loiseaux Brothers, Neptune, N.J. pg 91.

    In addition, Jesus Himself said, in speaking of the coming destruction of Jerusalem,

    "But pray that your flight be NOT in winter, neither on the Sabbathday."
    Matt 24:20

    Obviously, Jesus understood that the wintertime in Palestine was harsh enough to make traveling difficult and uncomfortable. If the winter was such a bad time in which to flee, it seems unlikely that the shepherds would be sleeping out in the fields while tending their sheep during that season.

    Because of these facts, and others to be discussed, it is virtually impossible for the birth of Christ to have occurred on December 25.

    "No such festival as Christmas was ever heard of until the THIRD century, and not until the FOURTH century was far advanced did it gain much observance.

    "Long before the fourth century, and long before the Christian era itself, a festival was celebrated among the HEATHEN, at that precise time of the year, in honor oft the birth of the son of the Babylonian queen of heaven; and it may fairly be presumed that, in order to conciliate the heathen, and to swell the number of the nominal adherents of Christianity, the same festival was adopted by the Roman Church, giving it only the name of Christ. This tendency on the part of Christians to meet Paganism half-way was very early developed." Ibid, pg 93

    It is beyond doubt that Christmas was originally a pagan festival. The time of the year and the ceremonies with which it is still celebrated, prove its origin.

    Isis, the Egyptian title for the "queen of heaven," gave birth to a son at this very time, about the time of the winter solstice. The term "Yule" is the Chaldee (Babylonian) name for "infant" or "little child."

    This pagan festival not only commemorated the figurative birthday of the sun in the renewal of its course, but it also was celebrated (on December 24) among the Sabeans of Arabia, as the birthday of the "Lord Moon."

    In Babylon, where the sun (Baal) was the object of worship, Tammuz was considered the incarnation of the Sun.

    "In the Hindu mythology, which is admitted to be essentially Babylonian, this comes out very distinctly. There, Surya, or the Sun, is represented as being incarnate, and born for the purpose of subduing the enemies of the gods, who without such a birth, could not have been subdued." Ibid pg 96

    There are many other Christmas counterparts of the Babylonian winter solstice festival, such as: 1) candles lighted on Christmas eve and used throughout the festival season were equally lighted by the Pagans on the eve of the festival of the Babylonian god, to do honor to him, 2) the Christmas tree was equally common in Pagan Rome and Pagan Egypt. In Egypt that tree was the palm tree; in Rome it was the fir. The tree denoted the Pagan Messiah.

    "The mother of Adonis, the Sun God and great mediatorial divinity, was mystically said to have been changed into a tree, and when in that state to have brought forth her divine son. If the mother was a tree, the son must have been recognized as the "Man of the branch." Ibid pg 97

    The Yule log was considered the dead stock of Nimrod (or Tammuz, depending on the specific nation involved), deified as the sun god, but cut down by his enemies; the Christmas tree is Nimrod revived - the slain god come to life again.

    The Yule occultic colors are red and green.

    The mistletoe branch symbolized "the man, the branch" and was regarded as a divine branch - a corrupt Babylonian representation of the true Messiah. Both mistletoe and holly were considered fertility plants by the pagans.

    "Babylon was, at that time, the center of the civilized world; and thus Paganism, corrupting the Divine symbol as it ever has done, had opportunities of sending forth its debased counterfeit of the truth to all the ends of the earth, through the Mysteries that were affiliated with the great central system in Babylon."
    Ibid pg 99

    The story of the death of Adonis, also known as Tammuz, involved a fatal wound from the tusk of a boar when Tammuz was 40 years old. That is why a boar was sacrificed on this Pagan holiday. Even today, a Christmas ham is a traditional favorite of many.

    "According to a Roman almanac, The Christian festival of Christmas was celebrated in Rome by A.D. 336. During the 4th century the celebration of Christ's birth on December 25 was gradually adopted by most Eastern churches. In Jerusalem, opposition to Christmas lasted longer, but it was subsequently accepted.

    "The traditional customs connected with Christmas have developed from several sources as a result of the coincidence of the celebration of the birth of Christ with the pagan agricultural and solar observances at mid-winter.

    December 25 was regarded as the birthdate of the Iranian mystery god Mithra, the Sun of Righteousness. . . The ecclesiastical calendar retains numerous remnants of pre-Christian festivals—notably Christmas, which blends elements including both the feast of the Saturnalia and the birthday of the god Mithra." Encyclopedia Britannica, 1976 edition; Micropedia II, pg 903, Macropedia 15, pg 1063.

    The much-loved hero of Christmas, Santa Claus, who "knows when you are sleeping, he knows when you're awake, he knows when you've been bad or good" and who can circumnavigate the globe in one night, is nothing more than the Winter stag god, the god of the hunt, a "take-off" on the true God of heaven, who is omnipresent (everywhere at once), omniscient (knows all), and omnipotent (all powerful).

    Santa has Eight Reindeer. Reindeer are symbolic of the Pagan Stag god. The number 8 is the number for a new beginning, and, when laid on its side, is the occultic symbol for Infinity.

    There can be no doubt that the Pagan festival of the winter solstice—in other words, Christmas—was held in honor of the birth of the Babylonian Messiah.

    The prophet Ezekiel is told by God to:

    "Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they (the Israelites) do.

    "Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house (the Temple) which was toward the north; and behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz (A Sumerian fertility god similar to the Greek god, Adonis)." Ezekiel 8:14

    December 25 was also the Day of Saturnalia, a celebration dedicated to the Chief god, Saturn, during which time there was much drinking, many banquets, and presents were exchanged.

    God is very clear in his directives against the celebration of this Pagan holiday that Christians now universally celebrate as Christmas. God calls this an abomination! Christians celebrate December 25th blindly believe they are honoring the birth of Jesus, when they are in reality honoring the Pagan god Tammuz.

    In Jeremiah 10:1-4, we read:

    "Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

    "Thus saith the Lord, Learn NOT the way of the heathen, and be NOT dismayed at the signs of heaven (the queen of heaven, Isis, worshiped by the heathen), for the heathen are dismayed at them.

    "For the customs of the people are futile: for one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.

    "They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not."

    There could be NO more specific description of a present-day Christmas, than this.

    God says, "DON'T do it. This is Paganism!"


    Why Were These Pagan Holidays and Festivals "Christianized"?​


    The Christianization of Pagan holidays began about the fourth century A.D. when the Roman Emperor Constantine, became (or feigned becoming) a Christian. In order to consolidate his rule, he incorporated the Pagan holidays and festivals into the church ritual - attracting the Pagans, but he gave the holidays and festivals new "Christian" names and identities - thus appeasing the Christians. Over the centuries, this practice has continued until the present time where we find the two systems, Paganism and Christianity, almost indistinguishable.

    This is the Adversary's clever deception - Paganism dressed up in Christian clothes! It's still nothing more than Paganism, but the Christian churches have wholeheartedly embraced this deception.


    http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/holidays2.htm
     
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    Excellent thread. Their is never a good reason to lie to our children. We pick up so many bad habits from western culture practices.

    I don't care what faith or religion a person practice if a lie is included , That in itself ungodly. lmao Amazing how so many wil make an excuse. All man made religions now KNOW without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus was NOT BORN ON DECEMBER 25.


    Here are two primary reasons:

    First, we know that shepherds were in the fields watching their flocks at night at the time of Jesus' birth (Luke 2:7-8). However, shepherds did not remain in the fields of Judea at night during December due to lack of forage and the bad weather.

    According to Celebrations: The Complete Book of American Holidays, Luke's account "suggests that Jesus may have been born in summer or early fall. Since December is cold and rainy in Judea, it is likely the shepherds would have sought shelter for their flocks at night" (p. 309).

    Similarly, The Interpreter's One-Volume Commentary says this passage argues "against the birth [of Christ] occurring on Dec. 25 since the weather would not have permitted" shepherds watching over their flocks in the fields at night.

    Second, Jesus' parents came to Bethlehem to register in a Roman census (Luke 2:1-4). The Romans would have known better than to have taken such a census in the dead of winter, when temperatures often dropped below freezing and roads were in poor condition for traveling. Taking a census under such conditions would have been self-defeating.

    So if Jesus Christ was not born on Dec. 25, does the Bible indicate when He was born? The biblical accounts point to the autumn of the year (in the northern hemisphere) as the most likely time of Jesus' birth, based on details of the conception and birth of John the Baptist.

    Since Elizabeth (John's mother) was in her sixth month of pregnancy when Jesus was conceived (Luke 1:24-36), we can determine the approximate time of year Jesus was born if we know when John was born. John's father, Zacharias, was a priest serving in the Jerusalem temple during the course of Abijah (Luke 1:5). Historical calculations indicate this course of service corresponded to June 13-19 in that year (The Companion Bible, 1974, Appendix 179, p. 200).

    It was during this time of temple service that Zacharias learned that he and his wife, Elizabeth, would have a child (Luke 1:8-13). After he completed his service and traveled home, Elizabeth conceived (verses 23-24). Assuming John's conception took place near the end of June, adding nine months brings us to the end of March as the most likely time for John's birth. Adding another six months (the difference in ages between John and Jesus) brings us to the end of September as the likely time of Jesus' birth.

    Although it is difficult to determine the first time anyone celebrated Dec. 25 as Christmas, historians are in general agreement that it was sometime during the fourth century.

    This is an amazingly late date.

    I agree with you wholeheartedly that we must get out of the mind set of following................ following a lie............ So to celebrate the holiday..............What are we actually teaching our children to do ?? Is that any where near being Christ like or Man like ??

    Errrrrrrrrrrr, Wait until we learn why its traditional to bring a tree with lights in the house.................

    With knowledge comes responsiblity. Once we know better we better learn how to do better.

    Again, Excellent drop !! ^5 !!



     
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    Excellent drop !! Girl, you beat me to the punch !! ^5 !!
     
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    I'm glad that people are really starting to understand this whole Christmas mess. What I don't understand and maybe someone can help me as I'm still a student but what and who decides what is pagan?

    I hear many Christians call religious traditions and cultural traditions pagan but why is everyone else traditions pagan and not Christian traditions? I don't cuss unless I'm way over the top angry which is rare as flying Zebras but I feel like I'm saying a bad word or I'm going to catch a bad omen if I say the word pagan. Why is it that this word is treated like a cuss word or that it implies something horribly wrong?

    If something is pagan does that mean I'm not supposed to partake in its activities and if I do does that mean I've done a bad thing? Seriously have I done a bad thing if I appreciate the lights and the trees (fake trees I don't believe in hurting plant/tree life) and all that comes with it.

    In the bible Jeremiah chapter 10 tells us not to partake of such activities but why and should the bible be the absolute judge? 99% of Christian still have Christmas even though the scriptures tell them not to do that pagan stuff.

    Jeremiah 10:2-5 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

    I mean really? what are they doing wrong and what makes what they are doing wrong?


    Peace



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    Hi , My brother. First let me give you facts to define what exact is pagan. In simplest terms Paganism is a religion of place, or a native religion, for example the Native American's religion is Pagan, Hinduism is a form of Paganism. All Pagan religions are characterised by a connection and reverence for nature, and are usually polytheistic i.e. have many Gods and/or Goddesses.
    Modern Paganism as practised in the west is particular to the native peoples of the west and although there are many forms most are descended from Celtic origins. Modern Paganism or 'neo-Paganism' has the following characteristics:

    1. Paganism is a religion of nature, in other words Pagans revere Nature. Pagans see the divine as immanent in the whole of life and the universe; in every tree, plant, animal and object, man and woman and in the dark side of life as much as in the light. Pagans live their lives attuned to the cycles of Nature, the seasons, life and death.

    2. Unlike the patriarchal religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) the divine is female as well as male and therefore there is a Goddess as well as a God. These deities are within us as well as without us (immanent); they are us. They are not simply substitutes for the Muslim or Judeo-Christian God. This is because the Gods of the major religions tend to be super-natural i.e. above nature whereas Pagan deities are natural, symbolizing aspects of nature or human nature. Having said that God and Goddess are split from the Great Spirit or Akashka which probably equates to the God of the patriarchal religions.

    3. The Goddess represents all that is female and the God represents all that is male. But because nature is seen as female the Goddess has a wider meaning. Often called Mother Earth or Gaia she is seen as the creatrix and sustainer of life, the mother of us all which makes all the creatures on the planet our siblings.

    4. There are sub-groups of named Gods and Goddesses called Pantheons, drawn from the distant past, for example Isis and Osiris from Egypt or Thor, Odin, Freya et al from Norse religion and mythology. Ancient Pagans would have worshipped one or a small number of Gods and Goddesses, whilst often recognizing the validity of other people's deities. The concept of an overall, un-named Goddess and God, the sum totals of all the others, appears to be a recent one but individual named deities represent particular human qualities or archetypes and are often used as a focus for celebrations and spiritual rites.

    5. Paganism has developed alongside mankind for thousands of years; as cultures have changed so has Paganism, yet it is grounded in deep rooted genetic memories that go back to neolithic times and before. Thus Paganism is not just a nature religion but a natural religion.

    6. Paganism in the west takes a number of forms including Wicca, Druidism, and Shamanism.

    I don't agree with every stance made ion this site but the definition is on point.

    http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/nov_2000/pagan.htm


    But short version : Any form of worship , Not to the most high, by any name is pagan. My opinion. **smile** As for the verse you highlighted. This is what iIgathered from it. The tree itself s beautiful, untouched , untainted and a gift from God. Why put lights on it ?? Why touch it more less bring it inside your house ?? Did we disrespect God by doing this ??

    The hardest thing is to untrain the mind. When we do such things. It's not about what is your personal choice like it is how much influence we may have over others. And if we play a role in misguiding others. We have an terrible habit trying to make "Just and unjust"

    You seem to have an humble heart. ( NOTE : "seem," I really don't know anybodies heart ) But to find God , understand God, love God, opens up a new window to your spiritual self as well. I wish you the best. That's a road that we all walk. And we help each other out by weeding out the lies.

    I hope I've helped. Peace

     
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    CANCEL CHRISTMAS

    I LIKE this song...says enough for me:qqb015:







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    Propaganda
    If it ain't what 'they' understand to be an abrahamic religion then it's paganism.
     
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