Black Spirituality Religion : Jesus= GOD?? Maybe NOT!!!

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    Kemetstry going above and beyond PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I Corinthians 15:25-28

    For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is expected which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that GOD may be all in all.
    This last passage seems to indicate that Jesus will then turn and serve GOD. How then can he be called GOD incarnate or GOD come to earth? Does this not seem to indicate that Jesus, though surely devine, can not be considered GOD?
     
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    This seems to directly contradict John
     
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    The verse you quote is one of many that show that Jesus is not God. Only in Paulianity does Jesus become God and yet that verse in corinthians was written by Paul. Can anything be more confusing?

    When the Jews accused Jesus of calling himself God he quoted David "Does it not say in your law 'I said ye are gods?'"

    If he came to save men and salvation is based on believing that he is God why wouldn't he come out and say it instead of giving himself a hedge as he does here?

    He also prayed to his Father that those who believe in him would be one as he and the Father are one. So you have to either acknowledge that the oneness of Jesus and God means one in agreement not one in being or say that the church will be one in being.

    Nowhere does Jesus say that he is God.

    That's a moot point, though because there is too much disagreement among the Gospels and the Book of Acts to trust them as a reliable source of what Jesus actually said.
     
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    I agree for my own personal religous philosophy that Jesus wasn't God, but this is a belief that won't easily be released by others.
     
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    Hmmmmmmmmmm.......


    But what of the gospel of John? Doesnt it's opening verses say that he was?
     
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    Not necessarily, Kemestry. The New Testament was translated from Greek into English, and in the Greek language the word logos translates as "word." The majority of grammarians who have written on this subject view "God" in John 1:1 as qualitative, though some older grammarians did not use this term. Some grammarians - and most commentators - regard "God" in John 1:1 as definite, though their interpretations of this verse are much the same as those who see it as qualitative. Ultimately, grammar and context must determine John's intention, thus we may confidently take John's meaning as:

    "In the beginning of all creation, the Word was already in existence. The Word was intimately with God. And the Word was as to His essence, God."

    See http://www.forananswer.org/John/Jn1_1.htm
     
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    The New Testament is nothing more than confusion and lies to keep the original Children of Israel away from The GOD of the Old Testament. Through the New Testament GOD is testing our Love for HIM. GOD desires you to be successful in overcoming the test that is why the New Testament is so poorly written, GOD wants you to pass.
     
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    That's your opinion, MP...
     
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    This is a good thread!! :)
     
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