Pan Africanism : Islamic Economics

Discussion in 'Black History - Culture - Panafricanism' started by abdurratln, Mar 25, 2007.

  1. abdurratln

    abdurratln Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Dear Africans,

    There has been much discussion about socialism and capitalism. By focusing in these terms, we tend to distort the realities of the economic situation that we must deal with in Africa and in the African Diaspora. His Excellency Brother Colonel Muamar Quadafi has defined what he called the Third Universl Principle. At a very mnimum, this would indicate that there is much more to concern ourselves with than a conventional discussion of European economic theories.

    This thread is dedicated to a discussion of theories and ideas other than the usual rhetorical theories. In particular, I would like to share with the users some of the things that I have learned about Islamic Economics. It is my opinion that a positive and constructive discussion of Islamic Economics can certainly help us to find solutions to the many economic problems that face the African Nation. Accordingly, it is hoped that we can find new meaning and and more in-depth understanding of the concept of the total liberation and unification of Africa (and Arabia) under scientific socialism.

    By Islamic Economics, I mean those economic theories, practices and systems that are governed by Islamic Law (as-Saharia). A basic characteristic of such is the prohibition of unjust exploitation in the form of usury, the under-paying of workers, the over-paying of capitlaist and the cheating of the the people. Clearly there is much to be learned by studying Islamic ecomics.

    Check out my fudaa.blogspot.com and follow the links for Islamic banking.
     
  2. Ikoro

    Ikoro Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Hotep.

    Person, and I assume you are a Brother since you are here professing belief in Islam... what are you here for? Have you come to share the "wonder that is" Islamic Economics with your Family (assuming, again, that you are in the family)?

    The Ancestors has bestowed and ill-fated first reply to your post, as it is I, Ikoro, who am the first poster (lest it be that someone else reply in my typing this).

    It is of utmost import that I begin by asking you a few questions, just to clarify a few things for my own peace of mind and to make sure wether or not I deem you safe for the community... I will also challenge this Islamic Economy that you have decided to inform us of.

    Person-Abdurratln, you have come here and talked of Islam. Wether to promote it or just bring it to light, I do not know. But I must serve criticism where it is due, and I will start with your faith in Islam as the solution for our people.

    For you to speak of Islam as a solution for us Afrikans brings great displeasure to my eyes. For, if my Ancestral heritage and memory serves me right, it was your people (they are now yours, since you have adapted their faith, and clearly you ally with them as you mention Arabia in your post), the Arabs, who enslaved us before the Great Maafa of the White Man. In fact, let me correct myself; they were -part- of the Great Maafa. If you are not ignorant of your own Islamic History, and not oblivious to the events in the timeline of Afrikans, you will recall the Zanj. If you do not, then allow me:

    "The Abbasi Empire (750-1258 AD) understood the concept of a progressive civilization as one constantly increasing its surplus profit. (...) To this end Zanjis, or black slaves of East African origin, were imported. The term Zanj appears on the one hand associated to a certain geographical area and on the other it became a "free-floating" classificatory label used for stereotyping the zanj-as-enslaveable barbarians. This construct then facilitates the ideological justification for slavery."

    For more on the Zanj see links at the bottom of the post.

    Ignoring the fact that you cannot justify this, why do you think that this religion holds any solutions to our problems? Do you not know that besides color and social paradigm there is little that differs the Arab man from the White man? In fact, Islam has brought just as many fatalities as Christianity to the Motherland. Why do you seek to give us more alien solutions to AFRIKAN problems?

    Capitalism did not help us, nor did white-feminism. Communism was not for us, nor was marxist-leninist theory. Post-modern ideologies and Western religions (copied from us) were -never- for us, why do you feel that Arab religion, politics and paradigms are for us?

    Surely, you overstand that anything not Afrikan cannot solve Afrikan problems? The Islamic Law, Shariah, that you speak so highly of, is it not what is murdering my family in Sudan, causing conflict in Nigeria? Your moral guideline, the hadith, is it not the book that quotes your benevolent Prophet as condoning mutilation of the holiest of holies, the reproductive organ of our Queens?!

    And you -dear not- blame these things on misinterpretion, as all your Islamic Brethren would. I am weary of hearing "Oh, no, they have misunderstood, they do not represent Islam". Then who does? Soon even the Q'uran will be said to be wrongly interpreted and written wrongly in its original form.

    Moving on.

    Your Islamic Economy fails you, Person-abdurratln. Here my intelligence falls short, but I will say this: One look at the predominant Islamic Arab societies will tell us that men are meant to provide for the family. You cannot dispute this, however hard you may try. And had it not been for the West and its so-called democracy, all your women would still be wearing Niqabs (the dress that makes women look like ninjas wrapped in curtains).

    Now, in todays White-Supremacist world, where white capitalism rules (even Islam is tainted with it), there is no way that one man can support his family of one wife and one child without working himself to death - this is unjustifiable and goes against the Afrikan family model/structure. Why would you have us adapt yet another alien economy, and furthermore, you must see that Islam Economy functions best within White Economy, namely, capitalism. (it would serve even better than the white economic solutions had it not been for the interest issue).

    Your mullahs and ayatollahs cheat people like everyone else does Person-abdurratln, do not bring your benevolent teachings here, for they have slaughtered us on earlier occasions, and still do.

    Now, Stand mighty Muslim, and defend your Self, if you can, against these disparaging remarks!

    Aaaannd, for those who will surely attempt to discuss it:

    My knowledge of the NOI is limited, I plead guilty to the sin of ignorance on this matter. Yet I can say that I support them insofar as they promote Black Power (especially economic, as Brother Shabazz etc). Yet we cannot dispute that copying a religion that does not have our best interest at heart is wise, and so even the much heralded "Malcolm X" must take grave criticism.

    One.

    Zaanj
    http://www.geocities.com/pract_history/zanj.html
    http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/zanj.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanj_Rebellion
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanj
     
  3. taaa7

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    Shalom Brother Ikoro,

    I just want to go on record in support of your post. You're right on target.

    Know the truth, then act on that truth, and the truth shall make you free.

    Liberation begins at home.

    I'll be free, I'll be free,
    And none shall deny,
    With fetters and chains,
    This spirit of mine.......
    By any means necessary

    Peace, Blessings
     
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    abdurratln Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Good Discussion

     
  5. OmowaleX

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    Your posts just happen to be the most overt revisionism of "Nkrumahism" that I have witnessed.

    I am sure that Osageyfo did not envision an Africa united under Islamic Law.

    Not to say that I have anything against the concept but the civil conflict which has occured in the Sudan, Chad and Nigeria indicates that there are far to many non-islamic Africans, at home and abroad, who most likely will not "submit" to such economic Law.

    Now, if someone can show me where Nkrumah mentions Africans uniting under islam rather than scientific socialism, I willingly shall alter my perspective.

    If "pragmatism" is indeed an objective, seeking to use ISLAM as the unifying ideology and/or culture seems to be a self-defeatist proposition from the gate.

    You are indeed speaking of the same Islam which the majority of Ethiopian people have historiclly resisted arent you?

    By the way, speaking of "Somalis". What was the NATIONAL identity of these people prior to the europeans creating colony known as Somalia? Same question in regards to "Eritrea". Does the history of support for some of these "national fronts" actually reveal a movement forward for "Pan-Africnism"?
     
  6. abdurratln

    abdurratln Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_people.

    Notice that the Somalis are one of the oldest Muslim Nations in the world. Important: nobody "imposed Islam" them.
     
  7. OmowaleX

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    Dude, quite seriously,...your'e TRIPPIN!

    If you come here misrepresenting Nkrumah's teaachings, Im gonna call you on it.

    By the way, Nkrumah wrote many more books and published far more materil than Kwame ture and Sekou Toure combined.

    Perhaps you dont know what you are talking about because you did mention Sharia in the context of Islamic law.

    Now if you want to get personal, dont even try it. You wont get far here. Especially while posing as a "revolutionary" who is not even based on the continent!

    You are coming off as yet another junior college ideologue new to revolutionary ideology with no practcal position in which to make any radical difference.

    Lets see how far you get from your base in st. louie...

    Aight...
     
  8. OmowaleX

    OmowaleX Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    By the way.....

    Here you are in the united states expousing anticommunist rhetoric against ETHIOPIA?!

    :hiya:

    That link concerning Nkrumah's wife say nothing of him even close to exposusing Islm over communism or socialism.

    I was trying to be nice but......you are here perpetrating FRAUD!

    And I wonder if sister Destee knows about your blog link to this site....

    along with who...Roy Innes and CORE?!.....LOL!!


    :eek:oops:


    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
     
  9. OmowaleX

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    There was no such thing as a "Somali Nation" until 1960, and for the most part, Somalia has been a puppet-state of the us militarists, which the CIA used to destabilize and attack the ETHIOPIAN REVOLUTION.

    FACTS:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siad_Barre

    :skillet:
     
  10. abdurratln

    abdurratln Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Anyhow, I will check out the one positive sugestion that you made: establish a Front with the workers in Texas.

    By the way, exactly what did Osagyfo stand for? I want chapter and verse. I think I deserve at least that much respect. Afterall, I have spent quite a bit of my value time giving you detailed infromation to check. Instead of responding to the facts, you want to go there.

    I will say this again: until you can provide me with chapter and verse, I will assume that Osagyfo was not a no good, rotten, stinking, sorry behind, atheistic communist. If he was, prove it.
     
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