Black Spirituality Religion : Islam and the Christianity of America MUST READ!!!

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  1. solomon7

    solomon7 Banned MEMBER

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    Let's stop being politically correct. The story of Jesus is not true.
    TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT ALONE. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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    I believe that Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet of God. A little bit of
    research, shall prove his story to be completly false.

    I am a personal friend of Min. Shabazz, so I know for a fact, all of
    the information he quotes, is not simply "copied", from some website.
    He has actually seen these words and books, that he quotes.

    Sorry but, the story of Jesus, is a lie. You are most welcme to
    disptue this evidence, on this forum. Solomon



    Minister Ahmed K. El-Shabazz
    Nation of Islam

    In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful



    CHRISTIANITY


    "...the thing in itself of which it is the name, for the thing
    itself, which
    is now called the Christian religion, really was known to the
    ancients"

    Writings of St. Augustine, Volume 2, page 12

    Today's theological debates between Islam and the Christianity of
    America have not been debates at all, but merely name calling
    contest. Let's face facts: most followers of "religion" be it Islam,
    Christianity, etc., have not done any research what-so-ever on the
    history of the religion they claim to believe in.
    Most people are, in
    reality, BLIND FOLLOWERS of BLIND LEADERS. This is due to today's
    substandard education or mis-education, a lack of broad education
    concerning history, religion, mythology, etc. America is an "A-
    HISTORICAL NATION."

    Example, I opened or began this essay with a quote from St.
    Augustine, a person that many "Christians" know nothing about. They
    would be surprised to know that St. Augustine was African and
    that most of the early "Fathers" of Christianity were Black. Today's
    Christians would be perplexed by St. Augustine's statement,
    that "which is now called the Christian religion, really was known to
    the ancients..." St. Augustine was born in North Africa (today's
    Algeria). He lived between 354-430 A.D. If St. Augustine is right,
    that a religion was known to ancient people similar
    to "Christianity," then what was the name of that religion?


    The Honorable Elijah Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) taught that the
    greatest subject to study was history. WISE people study both ancient
    and modern history.

    As Mr. Marcus Garvey Stated, " A people without the knowledge of
    their past is like a tree without roots." So, with that in mind, let
    us go to the roots of what is called "Christianity."


    Minister Ahmed K. El-Shabazz
    Nation of Islam

    In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

    part 2



    ROOTED IN MYTHOLOGY



    History tells us that the Christianity of today did not begin with a man known by most as Jesus. Christianity’s origins are the BELIEF systems found in ancient Egypt and India. Mr. Godfrey Higgins stated: “The worship of the Virgin and the Child which we find in all Romish countries was nothing more than a remnant of the worship of Isis and the God, Horus.” (Anacalypsis, Volume 1, page 316) Who were Isis and Horus? Isis was, according to Kemet (Egyptian) religion was a goddess, who was married to Osiris, a god, who was killed by his evil brother Seth. Seth chopped the body of Osiris into 14 parts and scattered the body parts all over Egypt. When Isis heard what happened she searched all of Egypt for her husband’s parts, which she found, all except the phallus, which she made out of gold. Isis who had the power of the “word” spoke the “word” which brought Osiris to life long enough to make Isis pregnant. Isis (the Virgin) gave birth to a Son, the Son of Osiris (God), “Horus”, who avenged the murder of his father.

    In the mythology of India we find the God Krishna, which means “the black one”. This is where the word “Christ” comes from . In the book Christ and Krishna written in 1898, Mr. John M. Robertson stated “Krishna” comes “into line with the black deities of other faiths, notably the Osiris of Egypt…the Black manifestations of Greek deities and of Jesus Christ.” What?! Black Gods! Yes, we also find that the “First Buddha” in 1366 B.C. was Black! And there are other similar aspects that these BLACK GODS have besides skin color.H They all had a mother named (Mary) who was a virgin.

    Horus’ mother: Isis-Meri
    Buddha’s mother: Maya
    Jesus’ mother: Mary
    Krishna’s mother: Devaki


    All these Black Gods had “Virgin Mothers”. Horus , born on the 25th of December, 12 disciples crucified and buried in a tomb and resurrected, called the Son of God, the True Messiah, etc. The same as Buddha, Krishna and Jesus. In fact, you can find 16 crucified and resurrected Messiahs. Read Mr. Kersey Graves’ The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors.
    Now, ask yourself, if white historians in the 1800’s stated that Jesus was Black, why is he shown as white? Mr. Gerald Massy says, “The black Jesus is a well known form of the Child Christ worshipped on the Continent. (Europe).” (Ancient Egypt, page 301). Mr. Godfrey Higgins said the same in his Anacalypsis written in 1833. So ask yourself this: Was there a Jesus? Why does his story sound like Horus’ Kristna’s and Buddha’s? Again, why is Jesus shown as White?
    part 3

    Minister Ahmed K. El-Shabazz
    Nation of Islam

    In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful


    There was a prophet who lived 2000 years ago, who was later CALLED JESUS by the Greeks . This prophet was named Isaibn Yusel in Arabic/Aramaic. He is also known in Hebrew as Yeshua. This is the HISTORICAL prophet of religion. Jesus is a Greek name, which means JUSTICE, as Isa was not Greek.

    He did not have a Greek name. Isa (P.B.U.H.) was a Black prophet of the ONE GOD Allah, El-Shaddai, etc., the same as Abraham. As the Book of Hebrews states: “…even Jesus, made a high priest forever AFTER the order of Melchisedec. For this, Melchisedec, King of Salem…” Hebrews 6:20-7:1 (Bible). If Jesus (Isa) was MADE a high priest AFTER THE ORDER OF MELCHISEDEC, that means OTHER MEN came BEFORE him. (Prophets). Melchisedec is called the “KING OF SALEM”. SALEM is Aramaic for peace, the same as SALAAM or ISLAM. So, ISA (P.B.U.H.) was a “HIGH PRIEST” in the ORDER OF PEACE (SALEM, SALAAM) or Islam. Isa (Jesus) was a Muslim. Isa (Jesus) was, I repeat, only a prophet, and a social and political “freedom fighter” that lead a “movement” (not a CHURCH) for Social Justice against Imperial Rome and the corrupt Priest who denied the masses freedom, Justice, and equality. So scientist called him the Black Militant Prophet and not “Mr. Turn the other cheek”. An example of his militant spirit can be found in Luke 22:36. “ …he that hath no sword let him sell his garment and buy one.” Nor, did his (Isa’s) followers worship him as God, nor did his followers (true followers) worship him after his death, which was NOT ON A CROSS, but at the hands of Roman soldiers. The scientist of theology and history, and those who have used and are using “Christianity” to keep the masses asleep know this. Especially the Black people in North America.

    Isa’s followers James (Jam), [Isa’s blood brother], Peter, John, and Maryiam (Isa’s mother) were monotheistic and did not worship Isa (Jesus) as God. It was Paul who began a “new” religious order when HE added Greek mythology along with Roman mythology to form today’s “Christianity”.

    Paul was renewing the religion of Ptolemy I, 320 B.C. According to history, the Greeks invaded Egypt under the command of Alexander the Great in 322 B.C. Alexander’s successor was Ptolemy I. They used the attributes of Osiris and the Sacred Bull symbol to Memphis (Apis). Well, the Black people, the real “Egyptians” did not want this “NEW SAVIOR” to replace their BLACK GOD OSIRIS. After all, this was Kemet “the land of the Blacks”, (the original name of their land). The White Greeks named it Egypt

    So, the Black people rejected Serapis as their God, he closed down all the Osiris Temples in Egypt. By the year 240 B.C. this “Serapis Cult” had a temple in Alexandria, Egypt called the Serapeum Temple. The symbol of Serapeum “religion” was the same as today’s Christians, THE CROSS! The image of Serapis was renamed “CHRIST”, as Mr. C. W. king stated in the book Gnostics and Their Remains, “…the head of Serapis, marked as the face, is by a grave and pensive majesty, supplied the first idea for the conventional portraits of the Savior (Jesus). The Conventional portraits” of Jesus is a white man with a beard!
    Later on in 325 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, at the Nicean Conference sided with the Bishop of Seprapis (who opposed the teachings of Isa) to make Jesus (Isa) God, by replacing the name Seprapis with that of Jesus” and attributing to the Prophet Jesus the God Head of Seprapis. Thus, the Roman Church was born, making Constantine the first Pope. Jesus was made God by “voting.” They (Bishops) voted on who would be God! And, all of the Gospels that THEY disagreed with were burned! Gospel’s like the Gospel of St. Barnabas and St. Thomas. And if anyone was found teaching these Gospels along with the Injel (the Gospel of Isa) were killed! The Gospel of Barnabas spoke of the coming of Muhammad, “when Adam was expelled from the heaven he found, [there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah], written on the gate of heaven in words of light.” This may also explain why the Vatican has hidden the Chair of the Apostle Peter, which according to history was cleaned in 1662 and it showed a Black God and 11 other men. Also, written on the chair in ARABIC “I bear witness there is not God but Allah.” Mr. Godfrey Higgins writes concerning the Chair of St. Peter. “I can scarcely conceive a more marked proof of the nature of the secret doctrine of the conclave.” (Anacalypis). This is what Isa (Jesus) taught ONE GOD, ALLAH!

    THE MEANING OF THE MYTH


    What do these “myths” mean? The 16 “Crucified Saviors” are prophetic images of a future MAN and people. The MAN or Savior is the Great Mahdi Muhammad and the people are we, the Black or Original Man, who have been “crucified” and “scattered” in the way of persecution. The MAN, his messenger and people suffer for the “resurrection” of the original family of Allah.

    The Prophets Isa and Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) spoke of the coming of the “Son of Man” or Mahdi. The Hon. Elijah Muhammad (P.B.U.H) taught that WE ARE THE FULFILLMET of the Prophets. Son of Man or “Bar-nas-ha” or God like man came at the end of Satan’s rule.

    The Powers that be”, the WISE Muslims and Muslim sons (Shiners) and other scientist know that Allah came in the person of Master Fard Muhammad, that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad spoke exact truth, and that the Black Nation are Allah’s!

    Accept it or let it alone.

    Salaam
    June 2003









    If you take one step towards Him, He runs 2 you!
     
  2. Radical Faith

    Radical Faith Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Brother Solomon

    Brother what is your purpose for attacking our brothers and sisters of the Christian Faith? Are you trying to recruit for Islam? White men and Arabs fought this same war over 500 years ago and you are bringing it to your brothers and sisters who have a far greater bond than religious practices. Here is a little secret The Churches of Christianity in all it's forms and the Sects of Islam in all it's forms have one goal, that is to increase it's following. The empowered clergy of the faiths call this becoming a part of the Kingdom of God. What it really is is becoming a part of a faith or religion controlled by men. Both Islam and Christianity were born though insurrection, persecution, indoctrination and colonization. Brother if you choose to be a Muslims that is wonderful. I have seen Islam first hand in Saudi Arabia. It was beautiful to see a theocratic Kindom in action where faith is practiced and not just preached. However there are brothers and sisters here who walk a different path and should be respected for doing so. These brothers and sisters are as fervant about their worship as you are about yours. Lastly you have quoted a Minister of Islam. May I ask who are you serving, God/Allah or the Ministers of Islam? Is there a difference? If not than essentually you would be saying the Ministers are God. Wait no, they are men chosen by God to build God's Kingdom. Says who? If there is a difference then why would anyone need an intermediary to speak to God on there behalf? Is not your relationship with God so that you can speak with him yourself? Brother these are just a few things to ponder. Meanwhile let's try to build each other up not tear each other down. If a faith doesn't promote building up your brothers and sisters is really of God?


    I leave you in peace....
     
  3. solomon7

    solomon7 Banned MEMBER

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    CHRISTIANITY IS RATHER EASY TO PROVE TO BE FALSE!

    HOW OUR ANCESTORS BECAME AQUAINTED W/CHRISTIANITY...


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    "We'll Soon Be Free"
    SLAVE RELIGION

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    We'll soon be free,
    We'll soon be free,
    We'll soon be free,
    When de Lord will call us home.

    -- verse from a song sung at a plantation near Georgetown, South Carolina

    Slaves worshiped with great enthusiasm. Religion, after all, provided a ready refuge from their daily miseries and kindled the hope that one day their sorrows might end. Planters actually encouraged religious observances among their slaves hoping that exposure to Christian precepts might make their laborers more docile, less prone to run away, and more cooperative and efficient workers.
     
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    Who's truth are you talking about? See here is the problem, the truth that you speak of is up for interpretation. I'm will not engage you in this urinating contest of my God is better than your God. I will say this instead of disrupting our peace with an attempt to tear down a belief system why not highlight the beauty of yours.

    Oh by the way Al Islam begin begin in the 7th century in Arabia and spread to Morroco. That's 3 centuries after the Ethiopian Church was established in Axum under King Ezana. The worlds oldest Christian Church is in Africa. Also many of the books of the Dread Sea Scrolls found in the Ethiopian Canonized Bible can also be found the Qur'an.

    This is historically fact proven by research. You speak of truth? Here it is...

    Peace....
     
  5. solomon7

    solomon7 Banned MEMBER

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    This is not a " urinating contest of my God is better than your God."

    You have unvieled no "new" knowledge, to me.

    Even if I were not Muslim, I could STILL prove the "falsity" of Cristianity.

    That is our problem- we are wiiing to accept info from the Caucasian on "face value".
     
  6. MississippiRed

    MississippiRed Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    What's the difference between getting info from white folk and getting it from the arab neither of them have our best interests at heart.


    Red
     
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    solomon7 Banned MEMBER

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    WHAT IS TRUTH?

    info that is "factual".

    WHAT MAKES INFO
    FACTUAL​
    ?​
     
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    solomon7 Banned MEMBER

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    WHAT IS TRUTH?

    info that is "factual".

    WHAT MAKES INFO FACTUAL?


    the ability to "verify" it.​

    HOW DOES ONE "VERIFY" SOMETHING?

    usually, by finding multiple sources, in agreement w/ yours.

    OF COURSE, THIS PROCESS IS NO GUARANTEE BUT, IT WILL GET YOU CLOSER TO THE TRUTH.​

    LATER, BY THE WILL OF GOD, I SHALL PRESENT "VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE", THE CHRISTIANITY OF THE U.S. IS BASED UPON PRE-EXTANT EGYPTIAN RELIGION.
     
  9. MississippiRed

    MississippiRed Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Ok but it still seems to me that trading Christianity for Islam is equivalent to trading a white slave master for an arab one. So I'm just wondering what's the difference we were enslaved and endoctrinated by both but due to some twist of fate some of us have given arabs a pass and take up a religion born out of their culture where you even pray in arabic....so I'm just wondering....respectfully of course what some of the folks here think about Islam as it relates to arab oppression in Africa.

    I'm just here trying to learn as much as I can...


    MississippiRed
     
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    I-khan Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Dang,you were reading my mind or something,that is exactly what I was thinking.
     
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