- Aug 4, 2023
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Hey Frankster
I've missed our conversations.
"Moral" is our word, therefore it doesn't need that. It does have a code though. Its code is defined in physics, chemistry, biology, etc. As the natural forces work, and we learn about them, we reveal the natural systems that make them work, and from that, we get the code. This is exemplified by the first few episodes of The 3 Body Problem on Netflix. In these episodes, the environment totally changes based on the movement and positions of this alien planet's 3 suns.
Killing things is not the goal. Killing would require an acute awareness of both the action and the target. Instead, it is simply cause and effect. If there is a drought, it's not "planned". There is no moralistic intention on behalf of the planet to kill, starve, murder. It doesn't rain because rain is needed. If that was the case there would be no desserts. The further away you get from water sources the less water is evaporated into the atmosphere in that area. So even if that evaporated water is moved by winds it can only go so far. Etc. etc. When we understand these things we can simply pick better places to live rather than pitching a tent next to a volcano and sacrificing virgins because we think the mountain god woke up on the wrong side of the bed. It's just science.
But the reason this happens isn't that anyone is "evil" and we are "good". The reason is power vs corruption. Power corrupts and absolutely power corrupts absolutely because it offers a temptation. How much do I use my power for myself vs the greater good? It's that simple. People want to pretend people are worshipping satan when they are simply battling and listening to inner demons that tempt them to do what's in their best interest. But guess what? The same thing happens with the power to vote and so a lot of voters vote for their own best interest instead of caring about the greater good (or whether their candidate is a xenophobic racist). If we understand corruption then we understand its limits.
The most corrupt emperor mindset wants to take over the world, not destroy it. So any destruction he would cause like you said about mother nature "forever renewing", borrows that logic and only destroys so that he can build. In some cases, what this mindset aims to build is peace by stopping regional conflicts. Millions of people could die because of regional conflicts while foreign enemies become bigger and stronger through cooperation. So if you're rich and powerful and you want to save lives you may consider the best way to do that is conquering those regions and pulling their warriors into one army. Even Hitler had the intention of saving/helping people. He simply saw one group of people as a threat to the other. And that's why he was popular with the others and that's why the others gave him the power to do it.
So all those regular people... working there... voting for those people... everyone is part of it. So the idea that we empower someone who is completely psychotic to the point of murdering helpless animals, and then they magically find other people in the same office with an equal level of psychosis, and they start manipulating underlings who don't know what they're doing and using technology that none of them developed because it's a capitalistic government that buys its technology from private companies, and somehow they just form these evil cabals that want to murder millions of people for no logical reason by using weapons that could kill even themselves... This just gets into a level of paranoia that doesn't really make sense. Where does the money come from? How do they appropriate it without anyone asking questions? I mean there are tons of things conspiracy theorists don't think about because they don't know how systems work. We didn't create a bunch of king positions that no one is allowed to question. Everyone has bosses going all the way up to the chief executive. So you would have to have a whole chain of command that is psychotic without anyone in that chain being normal enough to at least anonymously provide evidence to the media. Because the media is also a check and balance on power. The media informs the people so that they become informed voters. Now conspiracy theorists are attacking journalists (therefore journalism), therefore THEY are the ones manipulating the guardrails so that they can control the minds of the people. Because unlike elected officials and people they hire, with degrees and families, conspiracy theorists aren't elected, aren't hired, and therefore there's really no vetting process to establish why they should be trusted. That's why when you put a flat earther against a real scientist, the flat earther gets shredded every time. If, in even one battle, the scientist lost, the theory would rise out of conspiracy theory. But it never does because this has literally never happened. And most are smart enough not to go up against a real scientist. And of course, others get around this by lying about NASA and the whole of science being a conspiracy too. But no, conspiracy theorists give each other a pass to do this because they know it's the only way they can be believed without any real credentials or education. They just think they know everything because of the access we all have to information.
I've missed our conversations.
Maybe not........But Mother Nature Must have a Moral Code - or an equivalent
Its a Cosmos not Chaos
"Moral" is our word, therefore it doesn't need that. It does have a code though. Its code is defined in physics, chemistry, biology, etc. As the natural forces work, and we learn about them, we reveal the natural systems that make them work, and from that, we get the code. This is exemplified by the first few episodes of The 3 Body Problem on Netflix. In these episodes, the environment totally changes based on the movement and positions of this alien planet's 3 suns.
"Both
Mother Nature tends to be Life Giving and Life Supporting....By Creating Preserving and Destroying - Forever Renewing"
Killing things is not the goal. Killing would require an acute awareness of both the action and the target. Instead, it is simply cause and effect. If there is a drought, it's not "planned". There is no moralistic intention on behalf of the planet to kill, starve, murder. It doesn't rain because rain is needed. If that was the case there would be no desserts. The further away you get from water sources the less water is evaporated into the atmosphere in that area. So even if that evaporated water is moved by winds it can only go so far. Etc. etc. When we understand these things we can simply pick better places to live rather than pitching a tent next to a volcano and sacrificing virgins because we think the mountain god woke up on the wrong side of the bed. It's just science.
"With Good reason...The Government on more than one occassion have use abuse and hurt citizens and covered it up in the name of Science and or Security.... even though regular people work there"
But the reason this happens isn't that anyone is "evil" and we are "good". The reason is power vs corruption. Power corrupts and absolutely power corrupts absolutely because it offers a temptation. How much do I use my power for myself vs the greater good? It's that simple. People want to pretend people are worshipping satan when they are simply battling and listening to inner demons that tempt them to do what's in their best interest. But guess what? The same thing happens with the power to vote and so a lot of voters vote for their own best interest instead of caring about the greater good (or whether their candidate is a xenophobic racist). If we understand corruption then we understand its limits.
The most corrupt emperor mindset wants to take over the world, not destroy it. So any destruction he would cause like you said about mother nature "forever renewing", borrows that logic and only destroys so that he can build. In some cases, what this mindset aims to build is peace by stopping regional conflicts. Millions of people could die because of regional conflicts while foreign enemies become bigger and stronger through cooperation. So if you're rich and powerful and you want to save lives you may consider the best way to do that is conquering those regions and pulling their warriors into one army. Even Hitler had the intention of saving/helping people. He simply saw one group of people as a threat to the other. And that's why he was popular with the others and that's why the others gave him the power to do it.
So all those regular people... working there... voting for those people... everyone is part of it. So the idea that we empower someone who is completely psychotic to the point of murdering helpless animals, and then they magically find other people in the same office with an equal level of psychosis, and they start manipulating underlings who don't know what they're doing and using technology that none of them developed because it's a capitalistic government that buys its technology from private companies, and somehow they just form these evil cabals that want to murder millions of people for no logical reason by using weapons that could kill even themselves... This just gets into a level of paranoia that doesn't really make sense. Where does the money come from? How do they appropriate it without anyone asking questions? I mean there are tons of things conspiracy theorists don't think about because they don't know how systems work. We didn't create a bunch of king positions that no one is allowed to question. Everyone has bosses going all the way up to the chief executive. So you would have to have a whole chain of command that is psychotic without anyone in that chain being normal enough to at least anonymously provide evidence to the media. Because the media is also a check and balance on power. The media informs the people so that they become informed voters. Now conspiracy theorists are attacking journalists (therefore journalism), therefore THEY are the ones manipulating the guardrails so that they can control the minds of the people. Because unlike elected officials and people they hire, with degrees and families, conspiracy theorists aren't elected, aren't hired, and therefore there's really no vetting process to establish why they should be trusted. That's why when you put a flat earther against a real scientist, the flat earther gets shredded every time. If, in even one battle, the scientist lost, the theory would rise out of conspiracy theory. But it never does because this has literally never happened. And most are smart enough not to go up against a real scientist. And of course, others get around this by lying about NASA and the whole of science being a conspiracy too. But no, conspiracy theorists give each other a pass to do this because they know it's the only way they can be believed without any real credentials or education. They just think they know everything because of the access we all have to information.