Black Spirituality Religion : Is there life after physical death?

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  1. NNQueen

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    Do you believe in life after death? Do you believe in reincarnation? Do you believe that when people die, that's it, they forever cease to exist? Is there such a thing as resurrection? Do our ancestors speak to us and guide us? Metaphysically, can energy ever die? What made you believe or not believe?

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  2. Aqil

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    LIFE AFTER DEATH IN ISLAM

    The question whether there is a life after death does not fall under the jurisdiction of science, as science is concerned only with classification and analysis of data. Moreover, man has been busy with scientific inquiries and research - in the modern sense of the term - only for the last few centuries, while he has been familiar with the concept of life after death since time immemorial.

    All the prophets of God called on their people to worship God and to believe in life after death. They laid so much emphasis on the belief in life after death that even a slight doubt in it meant denying God, and made all other beliefs meaningless. The very fact that all the prophets of God have dealt with this metaphysical question of life after death so confidently and so uniformly - the gap between their ages being thousands of years - goes to prove that the source of their knowledge of life after death - as proclaimed by all of them - was the same, i.e., Divine revelation. We also know that these prophets of God were greatly opposed to by their people, mainly on the issue of life after death, as their people thought it impossible. But in spite of opposition, the prophets won many sincere followers.

    The question arises: What made those followers forsake the established beliefs, traditions and customs of their forefathers, notwithstanding the risk of being totally alienated from their own community? The simple answer is: They made use of their faculties of mind and heart and realized the truth. Did they realize the truth through perceptual consciousness? Not so, as perceptual experience of life after death is impossible.

    Actually, God has given man - besides perceptual consciousness - rational, aesthetic and moral consciousness too. It is this consciousness that guides man regarding realities that cannot be verified through sensory data. That is why all the prophets of God - while calling people to believe in God and life after death - appeal to the aesthetic, moral and rational consciousness of man. For example, when the idolaters of Mecca denied even the possibility of life after death, the Qur'an exposed the weakness of their position by advancing very logical and rational arguments in support of it:

    "And he has coined for us a similitude, and has forgotten the fact of his creation, saying: who will revive these bones when they have rotted away? Say: He will revive them Who produced them at first, for He is the Knower of every creation, Who has appointed for you fire from the green tree, and behold! you kindle from it. Is not He Who created the heavens and the earth, able to create the like of them? Yes, and He is indeed the Supreme Creator, the All-Knowing." (36:78-81)

    At another occasion, the Qur'an very clearly says that the disbelievers have no sound basis for their denial of life after death. It is based on pure conjecture:

    "They say, 'There is nothing but our present life; we die, and we live, and nothing but Time destroys us.' Of that they have no knowledge; they merely conjecture. And when our revelations are recited to them, their only argument is that they say, 'Bring us our fathers, if you speak truly.' " (45:24-25)

    Surely God will raise all the dead. But God has His own plan of things. A day will come when the whole Universe will be destroyed, and then again the dead will be resurrected to stand before God. That day will be the beginning of the life that will never end, and in that day every person will be rewarded by God according to his/her good or evil deed.

    The explanation that the Qur'an gives about the necessity of life after death is what the moral consciousness of man demands. Actually, if there is no life after death, the very belief in God becomes irrelevant, or even if one believes in God, that would be an unjust and indifferent God: having once created man and not concerned with his fate. Surely, God is just. He will punish the tyrants whose crimes are beyond count: having killed hundreds of innocent persons; created great corruptions in the society; enslaved numerous persons to serve their whims, etc.

    Man has a short lifespan in this world, and as this physical world is not eternal, punishments or rewards equal to the evil or noble deeds of persons are not possible here. The Qur'an states emphatically that the Day of Judgment must come, and God will decide about the fate of each soul according to his or her record of deeds:

    "Those who disbelieve say: The Hour will never come unto us. Say: Nay, by my Lord, but it is coming unto you surely. (He is) the Knower of the Unseen. Not an atom's weight, or less than that or greater, escapes Him in the heavens or in the earth, but it is in a clear Record. That He may reward those who believe and do good words. For them is pardon and a rich provision. But those who strive against our revelations, challenging (Us), theirs will be a painful doom of wrath." (34:3-5)

    The Day of Resurrection will be the day when God's attributes of justice and mercy will be in full manifestation. God will shower His mercy on those who suffered for His sake in the worldly life, believing that an eternal bliss was awaiting them. But those who abused the bounties of God - caring nothing for the life to come - will be in the most miserable state. Drawing a comparison between them, the Qur'an says:

    "Is he, then, to whom We have promised a goodly promise the fulfillment of which he will meet, like the one whom We have provided with the good things of this life, and then on the Day of Resurrection he will be of those who will be brought arraigned before God?" (28:61)

    The Qur'an also states that this worldly life is a preparation for the eternal life after death. But those who deny it become slaves of their passions and desires, and make fun of virtuous and God-conscious persons. Such persons realize their folly only at the time of their death, and wish to be given a further chance in the world...but in vain. Their miserable state at the time of death, and the horror of the Day of Judgment, and the eternal bliss guaranteed to the sincere believers, are mentioned in the following verses of the Holy Qur'an:

    "Until, when death comes unto one of them, he says, 'My Lord send me back, that I may do right in that which I have left behind! But nay! It is but a word that he speaks; and behind them is a barrier until the day when they are raised. And when the Trumpet is blown there will be no kinship among them that day, nor will they ask of one another. Then those whose scales are heavy, they are successful. And those whose scales are light are those who lose their souls, in hell abiding, the fire burns their faces and they are glum therein." (23:99-104)

    The belief in life after death not only guarantees success in the Hereafter, but also makes this world full of peace and happiness by making individuals most responsible and dutiful in their activities. Think of the people of Arabia. Gambling, winebibbing, tribal feuds, and plundering and murdering were their main traits when they had no belief in life after death. But as soon as they accepted the belief in One God and life after death, they became the most disciplined nation of the world. They gave up their vices, helped each other in hours of need, and settled all their disputes on the basis of justice and equality.

    Similarly the denial of life after death has its consequences not only in the Hereafter but also in this world. When a nation as a whole denies it, all kinds of evils and corruptions become rampant in that society, and ultimately it is destroyed. The Qur'an mentions the terrible end of 'Aad, Thamud, and the Pharaoh in some detail:

    "(The tribes of) Thamud and 'Aad disbelieved in the judgment to come. As for Thamud, they were destroyed by the lightning, and as for 'Aad, they were destroyed by a fierce, roaring wind, which He imposed on them for seven long nights and eight long days, so that you might see the people laid prostrate in it as if they were the stumps of fallen down palm trees.

    Now do you see remnant of them? Pharaoh likewise and those before him and the subverted cities. They committed errors and those before him, and they rebelled against the Messenger of their Lord, and He seized them with a surpassing grip. Lo, when the waters rose, We bore you in the running ship that We might make it a reminder for you and for heeding ears to hold. So when the Trumpet is blown with a single blast and the earth and the mountains are lifted up and crushed with a single blow, then on that day, the terror shall come to pass, and the heaven shall be split for upon that day it will be very frail.

    Then as for him who is given his book in his right hand, he shall say, 'Here take and read my book! Certainly I thought I should encounter my reckoning.' So he shall be in a pleasing life in a lofty garden, its clusters nigh to gather. " 'Eat and drink with wholesome appetite for that you did long ago, in the days gone by.' "But as for him who is given his book in his left hand, he shall say: 'Would that I had not been given my book and not known my reckoning! Would that it had been the end! My wealth has not availed me, my authority is gone from me.' "
    (69:4-29)

    Thus, there are very convincing reasons to believe in life after death:

    First, all the prophets of God have called their people to believe in it...

    Secondly, whenever a human society is built on the basis of this belief, it has been the most ideal and peaceful society, free of social and moral evils...

    Thirdly, history bears witness that whenever this belief is rejected collectively by a group of people - in spite of the repeated warning of the Prophet - the group as a whole has been punished by God even in this world...

    Fourthly, moral, aesthetic and rational faculties of man endorse the possibility of life after death...

    Fifthly, God's attributes of justice and mercy have no meaning if there is no life after death...

    As-Salaamu-Alaikum.
     
  3. Nita

    Nita Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    This was very interesting

    I was just thinking about the subject of life after death this morning while taking my kids to school.
    I come here and this thread just pops right out at me....staring me right in the face.
    I really enjoyed this Aqil.
    Thanks
     
  4. Blackbird

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    Greetings All,

    Yes, Queen, there is a..... What ya expect from me? I believe there is life after death. I don't have any scriptural support for my belief, but I have inituitive and experiential. Like what? Well, have anyone read Marta Moreno Vega's book "The Altar of My Soul?" In this book, she discusses a ritual, known as misa. The importance of the misa is to inform one's ancestors, formally, that one is embarking on initiation, making ocha and also to receive the ancestors' support and blessings. In her book, she describes the misa in good detail, coming from a Western frame of mind - it seems like fantasy. However, in my short 28 years on earth, I have seen, experienced and participated in many things that questioned my formerly held beliefs on life. I have attended a misa before. At the one I attended, the person's family members came "in the flesh", not that "Crossing Over" stuff - but really manifested in someone's body to convey messages to the person. They spoke directly and with authority, not some "he is telling me" or "she says". No, these ancestors spoke independently. Many times, these ancestors are the ones known in life like a mother or a father, but they don't have to be. I remember one ancestor came down and the first thing he said was "As-salaam alaikum." In his life, he was Muslim and as customary, he introduced himself with the Arabic greeting. During misas, you can have people who speak no French, speak it . Or some who speak no English (I was in Cuba for the misa), speak it like it was their first language.

    Again, my ancestors communicate their will to me through dreams. I have experienced what is known as ancestral blockages, where your ancestors will literally block your life. To undo these blockages for me, initiation was requested from my ancestors. I underwent initiation and my blockages (evidenced by things flowing more smoothly and positive in my life) were removed. I don't have some highly conceptualized and scientific way of explaining this, but as I remember from school -"Energy can neither be created nor destroyed - it only changes state."

    The concept of re-incarnation is present in Afrikan belief, but not the typical interpretation (Eastern philosophical explanation). Afrikans believe in the concept known as "spiritual lineage." Spiritual lineage entails that an individual will incarnated over successive generations in their lineage. The Yoruba even emphasizes this concept in their naming practices. Thus you hear the names /Babatunde/ or /Babatunji/, which although they have different meanings in context, they both essentially state "Father has returned." If you haven't read "Of Water and Spirit" by Malidoma Some', I advise you to read this work. He discusses the nature of reincarnation in the Dagara (his people's) context.

    Blackbird
     
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    "Do you believe in life after death?"

    yes
     
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    We come to this and other planets to learn lessons, grow and evolve, to fulfill our karma. We keep coming back in various personas until we have learned those things and achieved right mind. Everyone has one or more Spirit Guides to watch over them during each lifetime. I have always known these things intuitively, and they were confirmed by my spiritual and religious studies, as well as by three mystics.
     
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    Life after death

    There is a life after death. I am going by the word of God when it says that "to every man it is appointed death after this the judgement" I believe that what satan is doing is that he is trying to get our focuses off what life after death is all about. The question is not is their a life after death, there is life after death, The problem is when we get into the areas of reincarnation and Karma. Satan wants to get us to a point were we dont realize what lies behind life after death. There are two things that await an individual after one dies. Their is a heaven and their is a hell. Their are two things that satan does to two types of people. Too the christian he doesn't want us to realize the severity of heaven and hell in hopes that we will not live a life as if their is a heaven, so we get in a back slidden state and we just live for the moment instead of the eternal. Christ said to Mary before he raised Lazarus "I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whoever lives and believes on me shall never die." John 11:25-26 It is when a believer in Christ dies this is when he truly lives. That is why he said those that are alive shall never die that believe on him because they live on this earth and we live when we die because this is the essence of our lives. Satan does not want us to see this, he wants to keep us blinded. As far as the person that does not believe in Christ he wants them to get in a state to where they believe in Karma and reincarnation because this takes their attention off hell. Satan does not want the unbeliever to know about him or hell because he knows what awaits them, that is why he creates in the minds of men different ideologies and doctrines concerning death he does the same thing with religion The whole point of religion is to get your mind off Christ and distract you. Remember this, religion is mans way of getting to God, Christianity is God way of getting to man through Christ Jesus. Their is a heaven and their is a hell, both are very real places they are more real then this earth that we now live on. The physical came and was conceived from the spiritual. The spiritual is more real than the physical. God bless you.
     
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    There is life after death

    Yes Queen, I believe there is life after death, and I also believe in reincarnation. I believe we have many lives until we get the cosmic message.
    I believe that we have many ancerstoral lines and in each experience we are to learn different things that tie into one.


    Shadow
     
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    don't see how

    we do feel its hard for
    people to accept
    once you're dead you're dead
    even had to make up a heaven
    where you live forever
    and ever and ever and ever...


    Revolutionary Luv!!!
     
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    Yes, I believe in life after the death of the carnal body. All who call upon His Name have life eternal!

    No, I don't believe any are reincarnated.

    No, I believe all still exist after the death of the carnal body, whether they were righteous or sinner.

    Yes, there's a such thing as the Resurrection. For the righteous and the sinner, all will be Resurrected at their appointed times, and all will be judged according to their works.

    No, I don't believe anyone's ancestor can speak to them to guide them, but that after one passes, they lose the ability to communicate with this carnal world.

    I don't deal in metaphysics. O.O

    What made me believe is the Father and His signs which He does show all. It's the comfort He sends and the shelter He provides, the love He gives, and the chastising that's made known. It's all these things and even more that the Father and the Son showed me, and woke me up with, so that I'd no longer sleep, but be a watchful handmaiden. He's opened my eyes, and truly am I thankful.:)
     
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