Black People : Is there a connection between Islam and Black wealth?

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  1. Knowledge Seed

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    While rummaging through the paragraphs of Forbes' latest article about the world's Black billionaires - all 6 of them - I realized that half of them were Muslim. The other half seemed to have no religious affiliation at all but is probably nominally Christian.

    One of the few wealthy Black celebrities - if not the only wealthy Black celebrity - hell bent on establishing a black economic and communal enclave, Kenny Gamble, is a Muslim.

    Two of Africa's most notably-enterprising ethnic groups, the Hausa and the Wolof, are staunchly Muslim.

    Even if we look back several hundred years, some of the most legendary kingdom in Africa, who were known for their economic clout, were at least nominally Muslim.

    I say all of that to ask, is there some kind of connection between Islam and Black wealth?
     
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    If there is a connection it is dwarfed by the considerably larger of white billionaires who most likely are Christian.

    How many Black billionaires are there? About six or seven and the one with the most clout us Oprah Winfrey who sure ain't no Muslim.

    The Africans on that list with one exception have attained that status since around 2008. Some represent the African standard dating back to Mansa Musa- gold trading and finance. The oil magnates are largely in Islamic states and Nigerians are largely represented for the same reason as the brother from South Africa. They represent emerging markets and have diversified. Emerging markets such as Internet services and telecommunications.
     
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    If religion is to make people financially and economically rich there would be more than six Black billionaires. Mansa Musa only wanted to be the greatest Black muslim a religion millions of Black Afreecans were slaughtered for; sold for enslaved for and forced into as converts as in christianity. Afreecans were forced into all invaders religions for access to trade and trading routes. Please brother read How europe underdeveloped Africa and the Destruction of Black Civilization for more answers to your question.
    Our Land gave birth to all wealth and religions; you do not need only religion to be wealthy but that is the game the invaders played; by putting their negro disciples in positions of power after the various wars and 5 thousand years of colonization. The Arabs were the longest colonizers the reason islam; Arab imperialism is appealing to most Africans.
    We need wealthy powerful influencial capable Black Women and Men not handpicked errand boys and girls fooling their people into religious confusion.
    Why the religious description of Afreecans?
    Our oil gold diamonds uranium iron infact mineral wealth europeans and arabs keep stealing from us using us do not belong to any religion. God is not a christian or a muslim etc...
    Untill we come to grips with the religious; political and economic games european and arabs are playing with islam and christianity we will continue to believe and think falsely that islam and christianity is the key to financial wealth. They are not but the people and power behind them created them for their own economic political and racial gains.
    ITS ALL IN THE MIND BRO.....We are winning our land and minds back.
     
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    So you attribute those with massive individual success to simply taking advantage of market conditions?

    What about success of groups like the Mouride Brotherhood and the Hausa people? The former sends north of $1 billion back to Touba - their own autonomous city - every year. And the Hausa people control virtually every trade route in Africa, particularly in West Africa.
     
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    I don't attribute the wealth of any of these people simply to anything. I think brother Enki gave a valid explanation for the accumulation of such wealth.
    I thought you were talking about individuals not groups of people. Do you really want to bring the Hausa into this? If so, I have one question.

    How did the Hausa develop the trade monopoly of which you speak? (Of course I disagree with your statement because some of the richest Nigerians are not Hausa).
     
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    Islamic Arabs made it a practice to convert African Kings into Islam where alliances were such that the Kings would receive Commodities for People.

    Classical African Kings are recorded as crying over the 'interest' on loans they received. For "interests" meant "enslaved people."

    Islam and Christianity have more financial ties with Arab and European powers; than ATR. More, Islam and Christianity are estimated to make up over 80% of Africa. Technically, by Arab and European standards they would be more wealthy: after all, you're using the standard of global wealth.

    A Plantation owner is rich, but the Plantation workers are not--so is the Plantation rich?
     
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    It's actually interesting that you brought ATRs into this discussion.

    Maybe I should clarify something. Africans, in general, incorporate their ATR beliefs and traditional ancestral practices into Islam. You can see this in practice by observing the Talismans that members of the Mouride Brotherhood wear or the divination practices of Imams in Mali or the summoning of ancestral spirits by Sundiata Keita in his fight to regain his throne.

    So I guess my question is, does Islam, as practiced in this distinctly African manner, have a connection to Black wealth?
     
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    It is known that Islam and Christianity already incorporated African elements. There is no issue having an African presence, what's an issue is having a European or Asian presence.

    But seeing how you mention wealth for a Global Market, it's clear that a Global Philosophy would be more profitable than a Local Philosophy. Either way, it's estimated that there are three times as many Christians and three times as many Muslims than Africans who practice traditional religions and those two former are more monolithic and globally connected.

    The question only becomes "What is Wealth?" which also brings into question "What is Exploitation?"

    Is a Wealth to be celebrated that exploits African people. I think of the scene where boys are in the Congo with guns by their heads; the gunman are wealthier than the boys. This is Christian Africa.

    In Somalia, African men offer their sisters and daughters to Asian men of Islam. These women are ceremoniously group raped; their daughters brutally circumcised to never real the joys of sex. Some of these women become third wives of rich men; but are they wealthy?

    I discuss plantations to discuss farms. On a farm, a chicken is well-fed, better fed than wild chickens, but after so many years his head is cut off. Is there a rich chicken? Is there a rich African Muslim?
     
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    Yes it does but keep something in mind. In the case of the Mouride in Senegal, the Brotherhood operates as a collective, contracts with the government and controls about half of the country's groundnut production.


    They also are heavily influenced by Sufism. The African Sufis in many countries such as Mali, Libya and Somalia are under attack by Salafists and other predominantly, orthodox, Sunni orders or brotherhoods.'

    So when you speak of Africans and Islam there is a cultural divide within Islam that alot of Muslims outside of Africa are not dealing with.
     
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    To answer the question I would answer "No."

    Because Black Wealth will not come from anything besides African Consciousness. Insomuch as the Wild, starving Chicken is richer than the Caged, fully-fed Chicken.

    "The body is the house of God. That is why it is said, “Man know thyself.”" -- KMT Proverb.

    I shouted that phrase on the streets to little effect. But it is important. Knowledge of Self for our people comes from acknowledging the highest human authorities as African. As it were, fundamentally Major Religions do the opposite; despite how strongly African influenced they are.

    Up your alley is this quotation which may be a fabrication:

    "'Capgemini and Merrill Lynch estimate in their latest World Wealth Report that Africa has about 100,000 “high net worth individuals” with a total of $1.2 trillion in liquid assets. The debts, on the other hand, are owed by the African people as a whole through their governments.'"

    http://www.financialtaskforce.org/2012/03/01/elites-loot-africa-while-foreign-debt-mounts/

    If true, these Africans hold a lot of 'wealth,' to the order of $120 million each. But do they have Knowledge of Self?

    It is like this--Is a Trained Tiger, who lets men survive in circus acts, really a Tiger? The 'elite' world is fitting cultures unlike our own. What is an African without her culture?
     
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