Black People : Is the Nguzo Saba just for Kwanzaa?

[Omowale Jabali]

I was addressing your question...

To be ignorant of the names and birth places of your Queens great grand parents, does not mean you love her any less. or your children.
To handle my accounting books I don't need to go back to the Kemmetic teachers of pythagoras I just DO THE MATH

That is why i would like to concentrate on each of the 7 princples which I did not list so as not to insult the intelligence of the board members and viewers.
I humbley believe once we have established these principles on a visible and tangible scale in our community then we can talk all we want about the construction of the plane that has taken us from here to there.

Francis cress Welsing said we talk about a problem,
and just before we get to a solution we start talking about the problem again!!!!!!!!!!

You asked "Is the Nguzo Saba just for Kwanzaa".

My answer is NO.

It is a part of Kawaida philosophy.

And must be looked at within that context.

If you choose to take it outside of that context "More Power to You".

If you are postiting the Nguzo Saba as a "solution" what I am asking is what has it SOLVED thus far?

 

[Natinr]

What has it solved thus far!!!!!

You asked "Is the Nguzo Saba just for Kwanzaa".

My answer is NO.

It is a part of Kawaida philosophy.

And must be looked at within that context.

If you choose to take it outside of that context "More Power to You".

If you are postiting the Nguzo Saba as a "solution" what I am asking is what has it SOLVED thus far?

You know that is realy........so let me see if I can follow
your reasoning,
if the MAJORITY of Black folks have not followed the words of Malcom X then those words of wisdom are of no use?
or the Pert Em Heru?
or Angela Davis?
orFannie Lou Hammer?,
or our African spirituality?,
or Amos Wilson?,
or John Henrik Clarke?
or Marcus Garvey?
,so you will say what have they solved today!!??!!

............so if a doctor prescribes a life style change, diet and herbal protocol for a patient and they do not follow it you blame theDOCTOR?????????????????????????????????????????????????????or worse yey the cure??????????????????????????

Because we colectively have not applied the principle of
1. UNITY; that means it has no value????????
Because we have not collectively applied the principle of
2. SELF DETERMINATION
that means it has no value?
Because we have not applied the principle of
3. COLLECTIVE WORK AND RESPONSIBILITY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES, you are saying that has no value?
Because w have not applied the principle of
4. COOPEATIVE ECONOMICS that means it is of no value?
Because we have not set forth a national Black agenda of
5. PURPOSE that strategy means nothig to you?
Because we have not used our
6.CREATIIVITY to create a national safetynet for those in need,that quality of mind and spirit is useless?
Then if one believes that,
then I can see were ones
7. FAITH in our people,
are and our struggle.

 

[Omowale Jabali]

At no point have I said it has no value

You know that is realy........so let me see if I can follow
your reasoning,
if the MAJORITY of Black folks have not followed the words of Malcom X then those words of wisdom are of no use?
or the Pert Em Heru?
or Angela Davis?
orFannie Lou Hammer?,
or our African spirituality?,
or Amos Wilson?,
or John Henrik Clarke?
or Marcus Garvey?
,so you will say what have they solved today!!??!!

............so if a doctor prescribes a life style change, diet and herbal protocol for a patient and they do not follow it you blame theDOCTOR?????????????????????????????????????????????????????or worse yey the cure??????????????????????????

Because we colectively have not applied the principle of
1. UNITY; that means it has no value????????
Because we have not collectively applied the principle of
2. SELF DETERMINATION
that means it has no value?
Because we have not applied the principle of
3. COLLECTIVE WORK AND RESPONSIBILITY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES, you are saying that has no value?
Because w have not applied the principle of
4. COOPEATIVE ECONOMICS that means it is of no value?
Because we have not set forth a national Black agenda of
5. PURPOSE that strategy means nothig to you?
Because we have not used our
6.CREATIIVITY to create a national safetynet for those in need,that quality of mind and spirit is useless?
Then if one believes that,
then I can see were ones
7. FAITH in our people,
are and our struggle.

I said NO its principle do not apply just for Kwanzaa.

But I will say this

"Thought without Practice is empty"
Kwame Nkrumah

If we do not apply these principles in our daily lives then yes they are proven useless. Otherwise they will lead us to African liberation.

For example, since you mention brother Malcolm. If he says its either the Ballot or the Bullet and some of us use neither then what value is their in a speech?

If Dr. King tells us to judge a man by the content of his character and not the color of his skin then we vote for a Black man solely because he's black, then King's speech holds no value.

To the above, yes, I must ask "What have they solved today". And this has been a topic of discussion here before. You speak of solutions but you are not the first here to have done so. If our movement have failed to Liberate us then we must ask why and look at what mistakes have been made in the past so they can be corrected at preset and in the future.

As far as the Nguzo Saba is concerned you can view it in isolation from Kawaida (Maatian philosphy) if you so choose. I dont elect to do so. Ujima and Ujamaa are specefically concepts that Maulana Karenga took from Julisu Nyerere's wrigins on African Socilaism and it was in that context that they have worked in Tanzania. In the context of re-constucting Tanzanian society. And at one time Karenga was speaking "African Socialism".

If this then changes and Socialist philosophy is abandoned then how can one take Socialist principles and apply them within a capitalist framework?

If Angela Davis teaches Revolutionary Black Nationalism one year then turns feminist and adopted the program of the CPUSA then yes I must question the value or effectiveness of her ideology.

I do the same for every ideological question that is presented, within their proper historical context. If you choose to take a philosophy of of its proper context, isolate it and then apply it in another context you have the right to do so. I will leave you in peace to do your work.

 

[Omowale Jabali]

One more point...

I said NO its principle do not apply just for Kwanzaa.

But I will say this

"Thought without Practice is empty"
Kwame Nkrumah

If we do not apply these principles in our daily lives then yes they are proven useless. Otherwise they will lead us to African liberation.

For example, since you mention brother Malcolm. If he says its either the Ballot or the Bullet and some of us use neither then what value is their in a speech?

If Dr. King tells us to judge a man by the content of his character and not the color of his skin then we vote for a Black man solely because he's black, then King's speech holds no value.

To the above, yes, I must ask "What have they solved today". And this has been a topic of discussion here before. You speak of solutions but you are not the first here to have done so. If our movement have failed to Liberate us then we must ask why and look at what mistakes have been made in the past so they can be corrected at preset and in the future.

As far as the Nguzo Saba is concerned you can view it in isolation from Kawaida (Maatian philosphy) if you so choose. I dont elect to do so. Ujima and Ujamaa are specefically concepts that Maulana Karenga took from Julisu Nyerere's wrigins on African Socilaism and it was in that context that they have worked in Tanzania. In the context of re-constucting Tanzanian society. And at one time Karenga was speaking "African Socialism".

If this then changes and Socialist philosophy is abandoned then how can one take Socialist principles and apply them within a capitalist framework?

If Angela Davis teaches Revolutionary Black Nationalism one year then turns feminist and adopted the program of the CPUSA then yes I must question the value or effectiveness of her ideology.

I do the same for every ideological question that is presented, within their proper historical context. If you choose to take a philosophy of of its proper context, isolate it and then apply it in another context you have the right to do so. I will leave you in peace to do your work.

What does hold value to me is not one's words ut their ACTIONS.

Not their Faith [Imani] but the WORKS.

Their DEEDS and accomplishments, not their theories.

I will leave it at that. If the Nguzo Saba has PRACTICAL Value so be it.

 

[Natinr]

We have no argument......

It is just that we from the 70s to the present have been impotent in regards to the technology of social regeneration to counter the iLLUMINATI'S SOCIAL ENGINEERING OF OUR YOUTH
My point is that if we can make these 7 principles the in thing in the hood instead of
skull and bones, jewelry, and Scarface jackets, we can get somewhere!
Something happened in Chicago were some of the street gangs, took on the image and mindset, proscribed in "The Spook Who Sat by the Door".
The danger of the NOI to the devil was that they had the capacity to convert a thousand Big Reds into Giants in our community.
The understanding of trends and fads is no small matter.
They can build or destroy, they can heal or be nihilistic!