Black Spirituality Religion : ***IS THE BIBLE REAL?***

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  1. Fine1952

    Fine1952 Happy Winter Solstice MEMBER

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    The Bible Belt
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    June 2000
    Reader’s Digest
    Is The Bible True>
    Jeffery Sheler

    From the Book
    The archeological team had been tolling through the hot summer, excavating the ruins of the ancient Israelite city of Dan in upper Galilee. Gila Cook, the team surveyor, was carefully, drawing the stone-paved plaza and walls outside what had been the city’s main gate.

    Now, as the rays of the afternoon sun angled across a recently exposed wall, Cook noticed something odd. On the exposed tip of one of the wall’s basalt stones, letters were inscribed.

    Cook called to team leader, Avrahim Biren of Hebrew Union College in Jerusalem. AS the veteran archeologist knelt to examine the stones, his eyes widened. “My God!” Biran exclaimed. “We have an inscription!”

    The stone was identified as part of a monument , or stele, from the ninth century B.C. It apparently commemorated the king of Damascus’s victory over two enemies: the king of Israel and the House of David.

    The reference to David was a historical bombshell. Never before had the familiar name of Israel’s ancient warrior king a central figure in the Old Testament and an ancestor of Jesus’ according to the New Testament been identified in ancient records outside the Bible.

    Skeptics had long argued that David was a mere legend. Now, at last, there was an inscription written not by a Hebrew scribe but by an enemy of the Israelites little more then a century after David’s presumed lifetime. The 1993 discovery seemed to corroborate the existence of King David’s dynasty and, by the implication, the man himself.

    The unearthing of an inscription or artifact can shed new light or cast a shadow on a scriptural passage. Yet in extraordinary ways, modern archeology is affirming the historical core of the Old and New Testaments, supporting key portions of crucial Biblical stories.


    Age of the Patriarchs
    The book of Genesis traces Israel’s ancestry to Abraham, a monotheistic nomad who, God promises, will be “father of a multitude of nations:” and whose children will inherit the land of Canaan. God’s promise and Israel’s ethnic identity are passed from generations to generation from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob. Jacob and his sons the progenitors of Israel’s 12 ancient tribes are forced by famine to leave Canaan and migrate to Egypt.

    Modern archeology has found no direct evidence to confirm the Biblical account. Yet scholars like Barry J. Beitzel, professor of Old Testament and Semitic languages at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School of Deerfield, IL, are not surprised. There are “family stories” of an obscure nomad and his descendants, Beitzel says, not geopolitical history of the type one might expect to find preserved in the annals of kings.

    Kenneth A. Kitchen, an Egyptologist and Orientalist now retired from the University of Liverpool in England, maintains that archeology and the Bible “match remarkably well” in depicting the historical context of the patriarch narratives. In Genesis 37:28, for example, Joseph, a son of Jacob, is sold into slavery for 20 silver shekels. That, notes Kitchen, was the precise going price of slaves in the region during the 19th through 17th centuries BC, as affirmed by documents recovered from what are now modern Syria and Iraq.

    Other documents show the price of slaves rising steadily during later centuries. If the story of Joseph has been dreamed up by a sixth-century Jewish scribe, as some skeptics suggest, why doesn’t the figure cited ,that the slave price from that time period? “It’s more reasonable to assume that the
    Biblical data reflect reality,” Kitchen says.

    Flight from Egypt
    The dramatic story of the Exodus of God’s delivering Moses and the Israelite people from bondage in Egypt and leading them back to the Promised Land of Canaan has been called the “central proclamation of the Hebrew Bible. Yet archeologists have found no direct evidence outside of the Bible to support this story or that Moses even existed.

    Nahum Sarna, professor emeritus of Biblical Studies at Brandeis University , says that the Exodus story, tracing as it does, a nation’s origins to slavery and oppression cannot possible be fictional. No nation would invent for itself and inglorious invention of this nature,” unless it had an authentic core. Notes University of Arizona archeologist William S, Dever, “Slaves, serfs and nomads leave few traces in the archeological record.” The dating of the Exodus has long been a source of controversy. The Book of 1Kings 6:1 gives what appears to be a clear historical marker for the end of the Israelite sojourn in Egypt. “In the 460th year that the Israelites came out of the land of Egypt, in the 4th year of Solomon’s reign over Israel he began to build the House of the Lord.” However, that date does not fit with other Biblical texts or with known Egyptian history.

    Sarna and others argue that the time span cited 480 years should not be taken literally. “It is 12 generations of 40 years each.” noted Sarna. Forty “is a rather conventional figure in the Bible” frequently used to connote a long period of time. Viewing the 1Kings chronology in that light is a theological statement rather than as pure history the Exodus can be placed in the 13th century BC in the days of Ramses II, where it finds strong circumstantial support in the archeological period.

    Jesus
    During the past four decades spectacular discoveries have produced data corroborating the historical backdrop of the Gospels. In 1968, for example, the skeletal remains of a crucified man were found in a burial cave in northern Jerusalem. It was a monumentus discovery: while the Romans were known to have crucified thousands of alleged traitors, rebels and robbers, the remains of a crucification a victim has never been recovered.

    The bones were preserved in an ossuary a strong box for the burial of crucified bones appeared to be those of a man in his mid to late thirties with evidence that his wrists may have been pierced with nails. The shinbones appeared to have been broken perhaps corroborating the Gospel of John 19:32, 33 “So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and the other who had been crucified with him.”

    It has been said that Roman executioners usually tossed corpses of the crucified into grave or left them on the cross for scavenging animals. With the remains of a crucified contemporary of Jesus found in a family grave, however, it is clear that the Romans sometimes permitted an internment consistent with the Biblical account of Jesus’ burial.

    While building a park 2 miles south of the Temple Mount in 1990, workers discovered a hidden burial chamber dating to the first century, which contained 12 limestone ossuaries. On one, bearing the bones of a man in his 60s was the inscription “Yehosef bar Qayafa” Joseph son of Caiaphas.”

    Experts believe these are the remains of Caiaphas, the high priest of Jerusalem who according to the Gospels, was involved in the arrest of Jesus, interrogated him and handed him over to Pontius Pilate for execution.

    A few decades earlier, during excavations at the ruins of Caesarea Maritina, the ancient seat of Roman government in Judea, a stone slab bearing a badly damaged inscription may have read “Pontius Pilate, the perfect o Judea, has dedicated to the people of Caesarea a temple in honor of Tiberius.”

    The archeological record is silent on much of the Bible’s history. But archeologists are convinced that a lot more evidence still lies buried in the sands of the Middle East waiting to be found.
     
  2. PositiveMindset

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    Quite interesting.

    I like 2 think that the actuality in the bible is proven 2 me by the many references 2 actual people, places, rituals now in practice, ruins of ancient civilizations spoke of in the Bible. Furthermore, the heritage of Ibrahim (Abraham) does not only pertain 2 his son Isaac & the Israelites, but also his first-born son Ishmael & the Islamic faith, another of the nations of multitude.

    Sodom & Gomorrah have been discovered in burnt ruins in the area the Bible places it, Babylon, modern day southern Iraq, is still uninhabitable and the warrior King, Nebuchadnezzar, has many artifacts revealing his existance & there have been writings discovered telling of his conquest of Israel, not 2 mention Saddam's rebuilding of his castle using pre-existing stones that were used in the construction of the original, with Nebuchadnezzar's name inscribed on them.

    If one believes in the Supreme Creator, one has no doubt 2 what miraculous & wonderful things HE can do, look at the stars, the planets, the oceans, the mountains, living creatures, etc...
     
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    In deed this book of books is a collection of stories and folk lores that were culled, copied and plagaurized from those "other" than who actualy wrote its contents...

    I know there is a Supreme Being as evinced by Mathematics and Science -- only an intelligent entity could have pre-thought these wonders.

    References:

    "The Africans Who Wrote The Bible" -- Dr. Alex Darkwah
    "Maat: 11 Laws of God" by Ra Un Nefer Amen
     
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    I am a believer that these books written 2 introduce us 2 The Creator have no doubt been altered, rearranged, & 2 some extent invented, but they do serve a purpose... To put us on a path that leads 2 the Ultimate.

    I have read the 1st book U mentioned, I will definitely look 4 the second. Thank U highly.
     
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    You know what? These ******** can tell us anything! How do we know what they say is true? How do we know they didn't already have all of this worked out to be seen exactly as it was? How do we know anything about a group of people who have been our oppressors????!
     
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    Sorry

    The Bible has too many errors, contradictions, and/or consistencies to be considered divinely inspired. It may serve a purpose if one takes the life as Jesus as an example even though it is only partly literal and taken from the stories of other messiahs who came before him.

    All religions and the texts explaining them are man-made and should be treated as such.
     
  7. Natinr

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    If I showed you a book about calculus

    and you were unfamiliar with algebra one would say the same thing, or a book of alchemical ilustrations without the key mite appear to be nonsense.
    you know the bible was illegal at one time.......
    I wonder why?
     
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    I would agree with that. However, there are no contradictions in a book of math. There are no statements of fact that turn out not to be true. There are no statements of philosophy that do not hold true under scrutiny.

    If something has to have an long, drawn out explanation to show how clear it is, isn't that a contradiction in and of itself? If I need a teacher to "brainwash" me into believing something that is clearly illogical, doesn't that mean that I may need to be a slightly leary of it? If one tells me to lean not to my own understanding because that person doesn't seem to understand either, shouldn't my question be "then who does understand?"

    An all knowing, loving God would not provide a tool to be divisive among his children. Nor, would ANY parent (heavenly or not) decide that there are rules that his/her child could break that would sentence them to eternal pain. Nor, would a perfect being desire WORSHIP from his children (that is a selfish and vain desire that a perfect being would reject). All of these theories are ridiculous if you really THINK about them. But, if you want to merely follow what you have been told for fear of punishment, then I guess one would cling whole-heartedly to their respective faith.
     
  9. Natinr

    Natinr Banned MEMBER

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    take a look at Dr. Bens books, JA Rogers, Runoko Rashidi

    and a book by Nana Bandie Darkwah, called;
    AFRICAN AUTHORS OF THE BIBLE

    if I am not mistaken there weren't many white folks in those areas
    except for the Romans,
    The Gnostics were Black as wel as the Essenes, and both testaments have "several" layers of outer
    and Inner Teachings,
    as well as the
    numerous texts removed
    at the Nicean council,
    some of whose members were also African!
     
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    Natinr Banned MEMBER

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    like I said

    if you don't understand algebra you would be intimidated by calculus and not know wether a mathematical therem is true or not, there is as stated before a story book side presented to the mases andan inner side that must be read in the original hebrew and aramaic , the inner levels are all parables and metaphoric language, in order to kep th iner secrets from those who would abuse them, each name has a meaning and a mathematical value, kabalah.
    There is the physical, etheric, mental and causal planes of reality, just cause you dont see all dont mean they dont efect you.
    One should read
    Our African creation explanations, to understand symbolic language,
    which is advanced calc,
    but maybe folks need to start with simple geometry
    then algebra
    and then trigonometry
    to understand calculus
     
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