Black People : Is Patriarchy a Bad Thing?

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  1. Jahari Kavi

    Jahari Kavi Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    What I mean by my question is, does patriarchy necessarily equate to oppressing women? Is it possible for a society or household/society to be patriarchal or matriarchal, for that matter, without being oppressive???

    Please provide your definitions for the term patriarchy and explanations for your answers.


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    Patriarchy is a social system in which the male is head of the household, having authority over women and children. Patriarchy also refers to a system of government by males, and to the dominance of men in social or cultural systems. It may also include title being traced through the male line.[1] Wikipedia



    According to Breasted, Herodutus stated that not only were the pharoanic lineages made by virtue of the mother or matrilinear, but most if not all chiefships throughout the continent.
    Like the lion in the wild, were the male only fights for teritory and the female does all of the work, like hunting and raising the young, Herodutus stated that the everyday proletariat and bourgouisie of ancient Kemet, maintianed a household were the men stayed at home, raised and preducated the children, did the cooking and household chores and the women went to work.
    He even went as far as stateing that it was the women who were the architects, doctors, and engineers.
    An equitable system with no opressions or submissions.
    According to Jomo Kenyatta in "Faceing Mount Kenya" the Kikuyu had a myth that the women ruled over the men harshly as amazons, so the men tried to rebel.
    The women in that ancient time were stronger and moe wwily then the men at battle so they got them pregnant to maintain ascendency, (don't bug now it's in the book and folks who have had it since the 70s can verify).

    The Semitic system as well as east Asian systems were patriarchal were the man was the head of the household, however the Black folk of Asia maintained maatriarchy as well, as brothers have mensioned before deities are demonized by the conquering nationality and the Kali of horror that we see today, was actualy a divine and loveing mother according to the Drcvidians of the superior Mohenjo Daro civilization of Southern India.

    History is rarely based on fair play, ethics or mora;lity and sadly we all know who wins usualy in a violent domestic dispute, no matter how repugnant we know the act to be, and that is why history has shown that patriarchic civilizations and cultures have always opressed conqoured or colonized matriachal cultures and societies.

    the patrarchal being basically warlike and the matriarchal being basically nurturing.

    To keep it relevant to this Thursday, the First Americans being matriarchal on the east coast, Algonquin, Shinacok, Mohican but patriarchal on the west and Mexico, Hopi,
    Navaho, Mayan, Apache Azteca,
    welcomed and nurtured the incoming Europeans to their detriment.
    Thier sisters and brothers in the Caribean experienced the same fate.

    As Africans we also befriended and approached the Hittites, Amoriotes, Phillistines and other Arabs with nurtureing to our detriment (Two Thousand Seasons (9782911928031): Ayi Kwei Armah)
    And ironicaly dealt with the Europeans the same way, also to our detriment.
    however the Chinese built a wall to keep them out and the Japanese called them white devils

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    The Nation of Islam had a profound subconcious effect on the African American male mind in that the stereotype of the strong wife weak husband, was changed into the strong husband and not weak but strong and supportive wife.

    It is a strange aspect of subconciously heald cultural folk ways IMHO, that so many of us right here have seen amongst friends and in family on both sides, the strong woman week man syndrome in the Black American, and Black Caribean household hence, a type of matriarchy kept after the cultural eradication of slavery.
    So the Nation of Islam provided in it's own way a process of "machismo", to enter into African in America culture were the man became the head of the household and a Patriarchal society, to stand evenly and squarely to the patriarchy of the dominant white society in America.
    The last remarks are based solely on personal observation and not from any text
     
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    Jahari Kavi Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    So do you believe that patriarchy is not indigenous to Africa? Because if so, I would have to disagree.
     
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    good question and I had to thank you for asking it -

    I believe that any system is oppressive to the other if they are not equality balanced. Balance is the key

    As far as Africa is concerned - both social constructed existed in Africa but not in the form of the European Patriarchal society.

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    I agree with the bolded. So if both existed and were able to exist without being oppressive, is there anything wrong with either?....I personally say no. Do we need to redefine what patriarchy means then? Perhaps in a more African centered perspective?
     
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    state your claim and provide your facts however

    JA Rogers,
    John E Jackson,
    Runoko Rashidi,
    Ashwa Kweisi,
    Dr Leonard Jeffries,
    Professor Smalls,
    Cheick Anta diop,
    Dr John Henrik Clarke,
    Ian Carew,
    Dr Ivan van Sertima,
    Anthony Browder,
    Dr.Molefi Asante,
    Marimba Ani,
    Ishakamusa Barashango,
    and Dr.Naim Akbar

    will verify that it was and is matriarchal.

    not saying that you cannot believe what ever you want,
    you are always free to do that
     
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    i'm not denying that matriarchal societies existed and do exist...I was in Ghana not too long back and I had a lot of discussions on the matrilineal system used by the Akan....... what I am saying is that patriarchal societies existed as well.

    For example:

    in Oyeronke Olajubu's book on "Women in the Yoruba Religious Sphere" he states, "Though patriarchy existed before the advent of Islam and Christianity to Yorubaland, the influences of patriarchy on women since the coming of these two religions have been momentous" ( page 41, 2003).

    or

    we could also speak on the patrilineal societies (especially those that practice polygamy) that were around before influence of Christianity and Islam.........so isn't fair to say that both existed in Africa?
     
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    The Patriarchal system has the tag 'evil' when the true system behind all of this mess goes back to the European matriarchal system ran and still held by the queen of England. According to the book called 'The Committee Of 300' the Queen of England gives orders to the Masons, Illuminati, Jebusite, Islam, Zionism, Christianity, KKK and believe it or not according to the book - the NOI (Nation Of Islam).

    Above her there is none higher so in retrospect she rules the world aka Queen Of England which means in reality the Matriarchal system is responsible for this mess but the blame is given to the patriarchal system. The world is kind of like Catholicism the mother of all of Christianity which honors Mother Mary though you would think that it was a patriarchal religion because we hear a lot about the father, the son and the genderless holy spirit. The earth is ran the same way in that you hear more about the patriarchal while the matriarchal is hidden from public view - well at least in American.

    With this being said, any system (matriarchal or patriarchal) can be damaging to humanity as a whole but for the last 1593 years its been a the matriarchal system hidden in the background giving order while the patriarchal has been carrying the blame.

    Is the Patriarchal bad? They are both bad-good depending on who is in the drivers seat.

    Balance again is the key

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    to learn more about the committee and the true matriarchal power that rules this world you can get basic but power information from this link: The Committee Of 300

    P.S. Please scroll up to the top and read the full page - thank you.
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  10. Jahari Kavi

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    i concur. I started this tread, because of a discussion I was having with a sister who identifies as being a Black Feminist, over what patriarchy is.
     
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