Black Spirituality Religion : Is Jesus/God Real?

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  1. Sid

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    Now i have religion issues man. My brothers and sisters man its insane. Everyday i think about this. It be on my mind and its likei be afraid if i live my life doubting that i will go to hell. But then wonder if hell is really all that bad. But then wonder if all this stuff is even true.

    Some days i feel it is others i do not. Its like an off an on thing. It kinda crazy we have to serve a higher being who do not even know exists but on the same token i feel the other way around.

    So what do you people think?
     
  2. A007

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    It is a long journey to truth. There are so many schools of thought to wade through. My best advice is to ALWAYS SEEK TRUTH. It is never ending because we will never know it all. However, if something does not make sense, is not reasonable, is not logical, or goes against facts that are already in evidence, it is NOT TRUE.

    I am not which religion you were raised in, but I am sure it has left some questions that you have not had answered. Feel free to ask us. I can be sure of one thing, someone in this community probably knows the answer. Good luck on your journey and my only offer of assurance is THERE IS NOTHING TO FEAR...BUT FEAR ITSELF.
     
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    Baby God is quite real because nothing in existence would be without her. Nothing appears out of nothing. Everything that is came from somewhere. But Jesus however is not real. Jesus was never a real person but merely the sun. And the bible, particularly the new testament is entirely based on Chaldean astrology in allegorical terms describing the sun's trip around our solar system. And the virgin Mary was not a real person either.

    In ancient Mesopotamia, Asia where the Chaldeans lived, our black ancestors settled and established civilization, as we know it today. They founded astronomy, astrology, the telling of time and the seasons, mathematics and algebra, phonetics and the alphabet, philosophy, politics, money, economics, law, medicine and many inventions such as the cargo and war ship, the seed plow, the stylus, clothing dyes, just to name a few. The Chaldeans and Babylonia are mentioned in the bible.

    They had polytheistic religious beliefs meaning more than one God. They believed that some Gods were women and some were men, but that the head of all the Gods was a woman. And they believed that the earth was a virgin because it produced life without sex. When our Mesopotamian ancestors civilized the European peoples, the Europeans adapted all of their living conditions and modified their religious beliefs, changing it into monolithic religions that claim there's only 1 God and the opportunist of the earth are by God's will to suffer the masses to their own delight to please God.

    The first of the monolithic religions was the Judaic Bible; the old testament. The bible is nothing but a compilation of Mesopotamian mythology and astrology, mixed in with some contempt from the drunk Jewish author who was practically fresh out of the caves and barely civilized.

    I don't know how much you know about biblical tales but here's an account for the source of a few of them. Starting with the devil. The biblical account of the devil is truly the Babylonian wind demon Pazuzu. Babylonia was a city in Mesopotamia. And Pazuzu was thought by the Babylonians to have caused some problems with the weather, but they basically thought of him as their friend in that he helped to protect them from other evil spirits. Pazuzu had a counter part, the demoness Lamashtu. Statues of Pazuzu and Lamashtu had a ugly lion's head, talons for feet, a human body and the right hand held up. They feared Lamashtu more than Pazuzu.

    But the biblical author eliminated Lamashtu and concentrated on Pazuzu; making him out to be everything the Babylonians did not. He was against God and out to persuade man to rebel against God, and they changed his name to the devil, satan, lucifer or whatever have you. In every image of the devil you see today, it's a precise copy of Pazuzu with the right hand up, a animal's head and feet, and a human body. They made Pazuzu out to be a pervert too, as the devil's mess is always erect and he rapes little girls, as in the Exorcist movie. Pazuzu isn't real and neither is the devil.

    With the creation story of God creating the universe in 7 days comes from the Chaldean 7 day calendar. Our drunk Jewish pal didn't know then that the earth was billions of years old before it even became livable to terrestrial life, so he figured that if there's 7 days in a week that God must have kicked out the universe in 7 days. The serpent story came from Babylonian mythology that associates snakes with women.

    With the flood story, that nonsense came from an old Babylonian poem. "The Epic of Gilgamesh." That was around for over 500 years before white's became civilized. The story of Noah is identical to Gilgamesh, except that the names of the characters were changed, and he threw in the twist of Ham. Which supposedly is how black people came into existence; the result of a curse on a little white boy who saw drunk Noah laying out on the floor with his willy exposed. But meanwhile, black people were the first people of the earth, and they civilized the lighter races.

    With the exodus story, that nonsense came from the account of the Babylonian story: "The Legend of Sargon"; an ancient black Akkadian king. Sargon stated that his mother he knew not, and he was placed into a basket and set to sail down the river into an unknown kingdom and was adopted. Same story as Moses. Akkad also, was a city in Mesopotamia. The ten commandments came from: "The Code of Hammurabi," a Babylonian king, a black man, who was the first man on earth to write the code of human conduct. The drunk author chopped Hammurabi's code of 100 laws down to 10 and called it "The Ten Commandments." But here's the thing. Hammurabi never said that God wrote the code, he said that he thought that God prompted him to write the code. Moses on the mountain and every other aspect of exodus came from Babylonian history and mythology.

    And as before with Jesus, that is based solely on sun worship and astrology. Jesus is simply the sun making it's trip around the solar system, and Mary is truly the zodiac sign Virgo, the virgin, which stands for the earth and the earth element. The story of Jesus walking on water comes from the milky way in how it lays across the heavens like a river and the sun passing through it. It's allegorical. I'm not going through all the Jesus stories but I will move on to the last supper. That comes from the sun (Jesus) passing through Virgo in September when the harvest was ripe and ready to be eaten. Then after the last supper, comes time for Jesus to die on the cross when the sun (Jesus) crossed into the constellation Crux, the southern cross, and passed into Sagittarius on Dec. 21 or 22nd. The start of the winter and the shortest day of the year. When the sun passes through Crux, it remains hidden for 3 or 4 days until it is seen again. Which is where the story of Jesus rising from his tomb comes from. So to sum all of this up, Jesus is crucified and rises from the dead every year. He's not a real person. The image of the a man a cross is merely a symbol of the constellation Crux, and Jesus dying on the shortest day of the year, the first day of winter. It's only an allegorical account of the sun's trip around the solar system.

    Understand my brother, that myths from myths leaves myths. So there's no such thing as Adam and Eve, the devil, the garden of eden, hell, Jesus, Mary or any other biblical character. The drunk guy simply took what he wanted from our ancestors mythology, what served his own needs and discarded the rest.

    Monolithic religions cut women and equality of any kind out of our existence and claims that human suffering at the hands of opportunist is God's law and what is required to have eternal life in God's heaven. It's crap because it's what's required to brainwash people into sitting back and letting opportunist play them like a piano. Which is what religion is all about. After the bible came every other monolithic religion that is nothing but twisted carbon copies of the bible, with the islam being the last version of christianity.

    Nobody is going to hell because there's no such thing, and God don't want us making a mockery of each other. God wants her children to learn to live in harmony with each other, and we will never accomplish that as long as we are serving opportunist instead of doing what's right for everyone.

    If you have any further questions, feel free to ask, and you can send me a private message if you like. To do your own research, you can start online with the query: "Mesopotamia". You will learn everything about the origin of human civilization and religions there because that is where it all started.



    OOPS, I MADE A SMALL BOO BOO. I MADE A CORRECTION WITH THE EXODUS STORY INCLUDING KING SARGON AS THE SOURCE OF THE STORY OF MOSES'S BIRTH. EVERY BIBLICAL STORY TRACES TO IT'S MESOPOTAMIAN SOURCES IF YOU WILL RESEARCH ONLINE STARTING WITH THE QUERY: MESOPOTAMIA. YOU WILL ALSO FIND THAT ISLAM AND EVERY OTHER RELIGION TRACES TO MESOPOTAMIA TOO. BUT ALL OF IT IS ALTERED FORMS OF THE BIBLE BECAUSE THE BIBLE WAS THE FIRST RELIGION DISGUISED AS NOT HAVING TO DO WITH MESOPOTAMIA.
     
  4. Precise Allah

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    Peace,

    I noticed the ban but I'll add on anyway. The historical Jesus has been gone for 2000 years. Is he real. No. Was he real? Perhaps. If you a black man and looking for God then start by looking in the mirror. That's your first clue. ;)

    Peace
     
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    Brother Precise, why did you abandon our discussions about this very subject in the other threads?

    I agreed that we are Gods in and of ourselves, but pointed out the fact that there still had to be a Creator.

    You gave explanations as why you don't believe there was NO Creator but they seemed to be inadequate and illogical, so I asked for clarification. I also gave you an example of why what you "know" is belief just like everyone else's beliefs.

    If you are not comfortable with finishing our discourse then I understand. If it was just an oversight, then may we continue?

    Peace and Love
     
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    Peace,

    It's not so much a matter of being uncomfortable, I just don't like to lose time. You have your perspective and I'm cool with that. Yet going back and forth with you in this manner would not be constructive for me. I've already dropped mad jewels on you so you'll either reject them or accept them. If what I've said already doesn't work in your reality then you'll have to go elsewhere to find what you're looking for. My suggestion to you is go among the Gods and Earths wherever you live and get it face to face if you're really interested. Destee now has a Nation of Gods and Earths section which can help you do that.

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  7. A007

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    But what about YOU find TRUTH? It seems that you think that I am the one who is missing the boat, but It is the Gods and Earths who are...IMO.
    I have studied you all extensively. There are things that are not logical.

    However, I appreciate the honesty in saying you would rather not discuss it. I think it a shame, however, when people believe they have the truth, but aren't willing to examine if they REALLY do. The quest for TRUTH is not a waste of time, but when people have illogical beliefs as their truth, they are eager to run with the "it's a waste of time" banner in order to keep from confronting those things that are lacking in their belief/faith/lifestyle. It is the same for Christians, Muslims, Jews, Gods and Earths, Atheists, etc.

    I believe this is at the heart of our disunity...OUR EGOS AND OUR BELIEFS.

    Peace and Love


    Truth is never a waste of time.

     
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    Are you a 5 percenter?
     
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    Well, illogical beliefs are the foundation of every religion and all of it forbids any examination or questioning of it's claims. So that's why some people will shut down and not discuss what they cannot explain. However, atheist cannot be categorized with religious followers because atheist don't believe in any religion, or if they do, they won't follow the doctrine of it to a point that they would turn their back on humanity or fail to help someone just because their religion says to do so. They rely upon not the dogma of opportunist, but their own mind to guide them and sort things out for them. They are most certainly logical people who want physical evidence of any claim being made. These once wise men I believe said it best:

    "The Bible is one of the most genocidal books in history."----- Norm Chomsky

    "Religion is a defense against the experience of God."----- Carl Jung

    "All religious notions are uniformly founded on authority; all the religions the world forbid examination, and are not disposed that men should reason upon them."----Paul Henri D'Holbach 1723-1789


    "Theology is but the ignorance of natural causes reduced to a system...in this...light is no more than darkness; evidence is doubtful or false; impossibilities are credible; reason is a deceitful guide; and good sense becomes madness...theology is a continual insult to the reason of man...."----Paul Henri D'Holbach

    "All religions are ancient monuments to superstition, ignorance, ferocity; and modern religions are only ancient follies."----- Paul Henri D'Holbach
     
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    I agree with you about all religions. I understand exactly what you mean. However, atheism is illogical ALSO. It is a BELIEF in the same manner as religion in that it HAS NO PROOF. It is unreasonable to believe that LIFE came from nothing. It is also unreasonable for DNA of humans to have randomly developed. So, the only COMPLETELY logical point of view is to be AGNOSTIC..because there are things that we simply do not KNOW.

    Now with that being said, I am not agnostic. I believe there was a Creator because the alternative is further fetched than I am willing to believe. I don't believe the Creator interferes in our lives, still makes things happen on earth, or that my belief will render me safe and happy in an afterlife. I have simply weighed the facts and conclude that it is more logical that there was a design than a series of random events that created life. But, that is just me.

    Peace and Love
     
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